Cleveland State

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

They do great getting inside so I agree

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

Muller on MY step back hero shot 3 attempt:



https://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/illinois-state/fayne-redbirds-rebound-top-cleveland-state-in-ot/article_d24a8f75-a052-595c-8a68-17debfc8c6f0.html#utm_source=pantagraph.com&utm_campaign=%2Femail-updates%2Fbreaking%2F&utm_medium=email&utm_content=6C783696410301B44A0751338E897966F68F1378

Wow. This is a pretty serious call-out. Muller must be hella frustrated with MY.

I think he is. I think he should be.

Or when Yarborough got the offensive rebound with like 40 seconds left and instead of resetting and running clock with a lead (which Muller was screaming to do) Yarborough drove back and charged the guy. Our b-ball IQ is insanely low.

Same with Evans. Anyone else see the one point where Dan yelled something down the bench, Key said something, Dan went down and confronted him and then got two inches from his face and confronted him again?

I want to scream at all the dumb things I keep seeing happen, I don’t know how Dan does it.

These are his chosen players that he coaches and develops.

 

[Brick]

Hell did we win? Played good defense when it truly mattered and also good offense when it truly mattered.

 

[isuquinndog]

They do great getting inside so I agree

But Fayne can't finish, right?

 

[DBird]

They do great getting inside so I agree

But Fayne can't finish, right?

:text-+1:

 

[Bird Friend]

It would be a miracle if they win 20 games. They haven't showed improvement like in other seasons that makes us think there will be a late season run. I hope they make the NIT but it's more likely to 17-14 to 14-17 at this point. They're going to get eaten alive in the conference.

I dont think they will. Its largely because the conference is bad this year, but I dont think we'll be eaten alive. If I had to predict probably 10-8 in conference. We arent great right now, but no one in the league is really that much better.

My other thoughts from the game:

--Anyone know if Jefferson was hurt or was he in the dog house in the second half?

-- We look best when we feed Phil and play from inside out. When we just went with jumpers and 3s they took the lead back. We need to drive more and feed Phil in the post more.

--That said, guards, for the love of all that is holy stop throwing bounce passes at Phil and Rey's feet. Throw it up, hit them in the chest or up high so their momentum can carry them to the bucket.

--Speaking if Phil (and risking the jinx, blame me if he tanks after this) but he has been shooting FTs way, way better as of late. We should be getting him the ball way more.

--Defensively we played much better in the first half than we have all year, and the press worked.

--Still doing too much standing around when a shot goes up. All 5 guys need to go to the ball.

--Shout out to the Pres, who quietly played the best perimeter D of the guards down the stretch.

--Shout out to Copeland who played his tail off all game on both ends of the floor. Looked much better defensively.

--A win is a win

I kept saying this all game long!

 

[stats]

Muller on MY step back hero shot 3 attempt:

However, Yarbrough attempted a stepback 3-pointer with about nine seconds left that missed.

"I would rather he drop-kick it and make it that way," said Muller. "He literally, specifically was told he's not allowed to shoot that exact shot he shot two days ago."

https://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/illinois-state/fayne-redbirds-rebound-top-cleveland-state-in-ot/article_d24a8f75-a052-595c-8a68-17debfc8c6f0.html#utm_source=pantagraph.com&utm_campaign=%2Femail-updates%2Fbreaking%2F&utm_medium=email&utm_content=6C783696410301B44A0751338E897966F68F1378

I would have liked to see them run an offensive play in that situation. Milik was ready to set up the offense, but Dan had him bring it back out and dribble time off. When Milik was released, he tried to drive (which I think was the plan), but the defense dropped back so he stepped up and shot. I would have liked to see some movement by the rest of the players so he had more options on that one.

 

[Metamoron]

Muller on MY step back hero shot 3 attempt:

However, Yarbrough attempted a stepback 3-pointer with about nine seconds left that missed.

"I would rather he drop-kick it and make it that way," said Muller. "He literally, specifically was told he's not allowed to shoot that exact shot he shot two days ago."

https://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/illinois-state/fayne-redbirds-rebound-top-cleveland-state-in-ot/article_d24a8f75-a052-595c-8a68-17debfc8c6f0.html#utm_source=pantagraph.com&utm_campaign=%2Femail-updates%2Fbreaking%2F&utm_medium=email&utm_content=6C783696410301B44A0751338E897966F68F1378

I would have liked to see them run an offensive play in that situation. Milik was ready to set up the offense, but Dan had him bring it back out and dribble time off. When Milik was released, he tried to drive (which I think was the plan), but the defense dropped back so he stepped up and shot. I would have liked to see some movement by the rest of the players so he had more options on that one.

Or maybe, just maybe, call a timeout to set up what you want and reinforce what shots not to take.

The reason we take so many awful 3s and bad shot attempts, in my opinion, is that our offensive flow and sets are non existent. So when a defense takes away what we want to do with 5 secs left in game, guess what, we don’t have a backup plan so we jack up the only shot we can get.

Until our offense is more structured it will not change.

 

[redbirdron1]

Takeaways -

I was furious when Dan left Hein in the game for such a long stretch during final 5 of regulation. I was wrong as that 5
plus the 5 in OT where the Pres. was a key perimeter defender. Excellent contribution from Hein.

JJ - he's in the doghouse. Dan's comments on post game lead me to believe he did something 180 degrees from what he was told. Kind
of like the MY step back 3 at 9 second mark.

Copeland made several poor decision as PG in critical situations though it's clear, he's the PG. He'll must get the consistency back with ball control.

Rey contributed. Chastain/Gass were ok. On a positive front I thought for the first time in multiple games Key did NOT try to do too
much and played stellar D in last 10 minutes along with the Pres. I'll take that for improvement with Keyshawn - gotta start somewhere.

William - nice start. Right next to Muller when the game was on the line.

Game ball for Phil. Tip of the cap to his improved FT's.

I'm always drinking the kool aid and gotta hope they play D in future like they ended yesterday's game - that was enjoyable basketball on the half court D.

 

[AgGrad88]

Muller on MY step back hero shot 3 attempt:



https://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/illinois-state/fayne-redbirds-rebound-top-cleveland-state-in-ot/article_d24a8f75-a052-595c-8a68-17debfc8c6f0.html#utm_source=pantagraph.com&utm_campaign=%2Femail-updates%2Fbreaking%2F&utm_medium=email&utm_content=6C783696410301B44A0751338E897966F68F1378

Wow. This is a pretty serious call-out. Muller must be hella frustrated with MY.

I think he is. I think he should be.

Or when Yarborough got the offensive rebound with like 40 seconds left and instead of resetting and running clock with a lead (which Muller was screaming to do) Yarborough drove back and charged the guy. Our b-ball IQ is insanely low.

Same with Evans. Anyone else see the one point where Dan yelled something down the bench, Key said something, Dan went down and confronted him and then got two inches from his face and confronted him again?

I want to scream at all the dumb things I keep seeing happen, I don’t know how Dan does it.

I don't know how many people heard it. But it was on an inbounds play in front of the bench and you could tell how frustrated Dan was with MY, he was way out of position and all of a sudden you heard loud and clear " Milik! Get your ass over here!" Dan was so pissed. I don't know how one game Milik can seem to see the floor better than anyone in the building, and the next he's running around out there like he doesn't know the plays.

 

[SgtHulka]

Takeaways -

I was furious when Dan left Hein in the game for such a long stretch during final 5 of regulation. I was wrong as that 5
plus the 5 in OT where the Pres. was a key perimeter defender. Excellent contribution from Hein.

JJ - he's in the doghouse. Dan's comments on post game lead me to believe he did something 180 degrees from what he was told. Kind
of like the MY step back 3 at 9 second mark.

Copeland made several poor decision as PG in critical situations though it's clear, he's the PG. He'll must get the consistency back with ball control.

Rey contributed. Chastain/Gass were ok. On a positive front I thought for the first time in multiple games Key did NOT try to do too
much and played stellar D in last 10 minutes along with the Pres. I'll take that for improvement with Keyshawn - gotta start somewhere.

William - nice start. Right next to Muller when the game was on the line.

Game ball for Phil. Tip of the cap to his improved FT's.

I'm always drinking the kool aid and gotta hope they play D in future like they ended yesterday's game - that was enjoyable basketball on the half court D.

A very mindful analysis :clap:

 

[redbirdron1]

Happy 90th to that special dude! I can tell, I would love that guy.

 

[Bird Friend]

Muller on MY step back hero shot 3 attempt:

However, Yarbrough attempted a stepback 3-pointer with about nine seconds left that missed.

"I would rather he drop-kick it and make it that way," said Muller. "He literally, specifically was told he's not allowed to shoot that exact shot he shot two days ago."

https://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/illinois-state/fayne-redbirds-rebound-top-cleveland-state-in-ot/article_d24a8f75-a052-595c-8a68-17debfc8c6f0.html#utm_source=pantagraph.com&utm_campaign=%2Femail-updates%2Fbreaking%2F&utm_medium=email&utm_content=6C783696410301B44A0751338E897966F68F1378

I would have liked to see them run an offensive play in that situation. Milik was ready to set up the offense, but Dan had him bring it back out and dribble time off. When Milik was released, he tried to drive (which I think was the plan), but the defense dropped back so he stepped up and shot. I would have liked to see some movement by the rest of the players so he had more options on that one.

'Cept Milik didn't step up for the shot, he stepped back to take a 3. And even if we're struggling from 3, he could've continued the drive to pull the D and kick to someone with a cleaner shot. Granted, odds are they still miss, but the odds are still better than a step back contested 3.

 

[CaliRdBrd]

Happy 90th to that special dude! I can tell, I would love that guy.

What dude...you mean the last remaining player for a Redbird team of relevance? I kid...

 

[DWRedbird]

I would have liked to see them run an offensive play in that situation. Milik was ready to set up the offense, but Dan had him bring it back out and dribble time off. When Milik was released, he tried to drive (which I think was the plan), but the defense dropped back so he stepped up and shot. I would have liked to see some movement by the rest of the players so he had more options on that one.

He was really laying into people when they were messing up defensively. He pulled Ike out in the first half and really laid in to him. Key blew defensive assignments on two consecutive plays and Dan actually pointed at him and told him that was on you. Dan was heated yesterday, but it seemed to get through to the guys to play defense.

 

[stats]

Muller on MY step back hero shot 3 attempt:



https://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/illinois-state/fayne-redbirds-rebound-top-cleveland-state-in-ot/article_d24a8f75-a052-595c-8a68-17debfc8c6f0.html#utm_source=pantagraph.com&utm_campaign=%2Femail-updates%2Fbreaking%2F&utm_medium=email&utm_content=6C783696410301B44A0751338E897966F68F1378

I would have liked to see them run an offensive play in that situation. Milik was ready to set up the offense, but Dan had him bring it back out and dribble time off. When Milik was released, he tried to drive (which I think was the plan), but the defense dropped back so he stepped up and shot. I would have liked to see some movement by the rest of the players so he had more options on that one.

'Cept Milik didn't step up for the shot, he stepped back to take a 3. And even if we're struggling from 3, he could've continued the drive to pull the D and kick to someone with a cleaner shot. Granted, odds are they still miss, but the odds are still better than a step back contested 3.

I meant to say step back for the 3. I didn't think anyone was open with a cleaner shot. Everyone was standing. My point was for the offense to cause a little confusion for the defense and have some movement. That way you actually have someone to kick it to with a better shot. It seems to be a pretty common theme in college basketball to end a half or game by 4 offensive players clearing out and having one player go one on one. I'm just not a fan, but I guess it is here to stay.

 

[Redbirdmike]

That was ridiculous! Even if he made that shot. Number one, there was still too much time left on the clock which would have given them a chance to inbound a get a tying 3 off. Second, even if our guys were standing around that clearly was not the play Dan called for - a step back 3!!!??? Third, if Milik drives towards the basket and they collapse on him at LEAST one guy will be open and he potentially draws a foul. This was absolute worst case scenario by doing what he did and it almost cost us the game. Period. Super happy we won and I don’t think enough is being said about Phil’s free throw shooting, let alone knocking two down with 1.8 left on the clock in “Stone Cold” fashion. If I told you last year that at any time he would be in that position to tie a game - every person on this board would bet their mother that he would make 1 out of two. At BEST! I have never seen a college player improve this much at the charity stripe in one season. Kudos to Phil who now has a complete game and is our MVP without a doubt. Love Milik, but this team goes as far as Phil takes us. Go Birds!!!!! Now play some damn D and we will be cooking with Gas over here!

 

[SgtHulka]

Phil is shooting 70% from the line after 83 free throws. Amazing that a player can actually improve a skill, crazy as it may sound around here. Congrats on the hard work paying off.

 

[stats]

Even if he made that shot. Number one, there was still too much time left on the clock which would have given them a chance to inbound a get a tying 3 off. Second, even if our guys were standing around that clearly was not the play Dan called for - a step back 3!!!???

It wasn't a good shot. We all know that. Wasn't there an 8 or 9 seconds differential on the shot clock? Not sure, just asking. As far as your number one, if he made the shot and put us up by 3, no one would be upset about the time left on the clock. If we were, we could have just fouled them again and got the ball back with a lead instead of a tie. #2 Dan definitely didn't call a step back 3 and it wasn't the play that Dan called. My question is did Dan call any play? or do half the coaches in college basketball in that situation who seem to like players tojust go one on one there?

 

[Boogie Boarding]

what play are the redbirds running? high ball screen pick and roll? every time? really?

lots of talent on the roster, set a few screens away from the ball. stop making it so easy to scout. move the ball, make free throws, make the defense work. fayne and yarbrough are kiiling it. imagine what they would be doing if they didn't have to beat 3 players before they got the shot off.