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[Bird Friend]

I get there are some differences between David and Dimna, but I find hard to believe anyone can make an argument that David has improved since he's been at ISU.

Actually, his baseline jumper has improved dramatically from his frosh season.

 

[CaliRdBrd]

I'm just so damn tired of watching average to below average basketball teams go through ISU. Something has to change. Everybody freaks out on here when you blame players, most people freak out when Muller is blamed. It's somebody's fault that they suck. Do you blame the AD? The Coach? The players? I don't know how you can just say transition period over and over again. Apparently ISU has been in a transition period for 20 years!

What are you going to do about it? Besides complain here.

Who at ISU have you voiced your displeasure with regarding the above?

Just my 2 cents, but how can you ever blame a player? If he's giving his all, how could it possibly be his fault?

You can blame players bc they're no good. I mean they are the ones that lose games on the floor. I personally put 99% of the blame on coaching and administration bc they are the ones that build the coaching staffs and teams.

I'm not wealthy enough to be a big donor that anything I say will mean a pinch of shit. I spend my money going to games with my friends bc I love basketball and I always hope that my alma mater will turn into something to get excited about.

I don't look at last year as this giant glowing success for Muller as most of you do. A second round NIT loss is the huge success everyone is looking for?!

Bam!!

 

[ISU FAN 1]

When did YAK become John Wooden? I guess I missed all those State Championships he won at Joliet West. I think he’s being overrated by some on here.

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Way overrated.

Couple things here.

Didn’t Muller make Yak Associate Head Coach? Muller thought he was good.

Believe there has been significant press coming out of Michigan that essentially suggests Yaklich’s defense is the primary reason for Michigan’s success this year. Beilein basically says he spends 0% of his time on D and that they do everything Yak suggests. Top 25 D statistically in his first year.

Not too shabby.

How smart would he look here this year? No way he would have this year’s ISU roster sniffing defensive greatness. Former DPOY Muller can’t get this group to play defense. It’s all about the talent. They have actual D1 athletes at UM. We had PLee//Tony. The defense tone is set on the perimeter. Our guards can’t defend this year. I know YAK is a dedicated hard worker, but not ready to give him excessive credit.

 

[WoodlandWarrior]

I hope we get the Gargoyles again in St. Louis with Phil and Taylor back. It will be a different story when we are at full strength.. And the reality is that Bradley is mediocre at best.

 

[isuquinndog]

There's a huge difference between allowing an assistant to move up and actively helping him leave. If I had a good employee that wanted to go elsewhere that's up to him but I'm not going to help him leave.

Then you are a bad manager and don't care about that employee. A leader helps develop their talent, gets the most out of their talent and wants them to move up in the profession they are in.

 

[V Boy]

There's a huge difference between allowing an assistant to move up and actively helping him leave. If I had a good employee that wanted to go elsewhere that's up to him but I'm not going to help him leave.

Then you are a bad manager and don't care about that employee. A leader helps develop their talent, gets the most out of their talent and wants them to move up in the profession they are in.

+1

This whole idea that it's Muller's job to try to retain assistant coaches at the mid-major level makes absolutely zero sense. ISU is not a "destination" job for assistant coaches. It's not even a destination job for head coaches.

Muller is quietly building a very strong reputation in the college basketball industry. He is collaborating. He is building a good network. Outside of this year, he appears to be building a stronger program.

And he appears to have brought in 3 new assistant coaches on very short notice who look like they are already yielding good new recruits into the program.

 

[isuquinndog]

And I didn't bring up the assistants leaving because of their talent level, it was because it's a change. Change alwasys causes a disruption. With how Dan and his team of coaches works, how the players practice with the assistans (because they are doing most of the individual instruction during practice), how scouting is done. It's all different with three new guys in less than 24 months.

Then, throw in that only two players are returning starters, none are seniors and now have had different assistant coaches over two years. Plus most of them have to adjust to D1 basketball for the first time in their lives (which is a MAJOR step up from High School) and some of them have been hurt and couldn't practice most of the summer or part of the season (EC for instance).

That was my point. Not the ability level of any one assistant.

 

[MadBird]

Okay, so if it's okay for Muller to "promote" his assistants to "better" programs so they can move up in the world, is it okay for him to "promote" the McIntosh's and Hawkin's of the world to "better" programs so they can move up?

If you argue it's okay for Muller to wish his assistants well, then seems to me you should be okay with the same for the players. And Muller himself of course. So how the hey do we ever see this program grow (or one could argue, RETURN to past glory)? All of you moaners and gripers who don't think ISU is doing enough to "move up", please don't support Muller and the theory of moving up and out rather than staying and making ISU "great again"!!

 

[IHateWSU]

When did YAK become John Wooden? I guess I missed all those State Championships he won at Joliet West. I think he’s being overrated by some on here.

We tend to overrate two things on this board. The past and the future!

 

[MadBird]

And someone up the thread suggested the new assistants are "yielding good new recruits" into the program, well, time will tell.

But as best as I can figger, we "stole" Demontay Dixon from Tennessee Tech and East Tennessee St. Rey Idowu we "pulled away" from the likes of Fort Wayne, East Tennessee, Canisius, Louisiana Tech. So for now, I'm not all that impressed that we've made any big gains in the recruiting world with our new assistants.

Like I say, time will tell. Hopefully, all will be well.

 

[isuquinndog]

Okay, so if it's okay for Muller to "promote" his assistants to "better" programs so they can move up in the world, is it okay for him to "promote" the McIntosh's and Hawkin's of the world to "better" programs so they can move up?

If you argue it's okay for Muller to wish his assistants well, then seems to me you should be okay with the same for the players. And Muller himself of course. So how the hey do we ever see this program grow (or one could argue, RETURN to past glory)? All of you moaners and gripers who don't think ISU is doing enough to "move up", please don't support Muller and the theory of moving up and out rather than staying and making ISU "great again"!!

That's a good point and one I hadn't thought of, the players moving on. I do think there is some difference though in that the coaches are like any of us that work in the "corporate world" in we a profession, and some people want to move up in that profession. A senior level position, to be a leader, CEO, whatever. And we get paid.

College players don't get paid and are still int he ameatur phase of careers. Yes, they want to move up so I can see that end of it. It's tricky.

I just know, generally, that a good leader is someone that wants their talent to develop and get to the point where they can achieve what they want to in their professional careers. I'm sure Yak and every other assistant have goals of being head coaches. You can't just hold them down.

 

[Hamdonger]

When did YAK become John Wooden? I guess I missed all those State Championships he won at Joliet West. I think he’s being overrated by some on here.

We tend to overrate two things on this board. The past and the future!

Hahahahaaaa, you're probably right.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

There's a huge difference between allowing an assistant to move up and actively helping him leave. If I had a good employee that wanted to go elsewhere that's up to him but I'm not going to help him leave.

Then you are a bad manager and don't care about that employee. A leader helps develop their talent, gets the most out of their talent and wants them to move up in the profession they are in.

I have worked for a fortune 250 firm reporting to the CEO or President and across the organization talent development AND retention was a goal for EVERY people manager and that has been in place for the last 20 years. This situation is no different for the ISU men's basketball organization. Dan is paid to lead the program and that includes building a team of talented employees that can help lead, recruit, develop, coach as well as help promote/market the program... which should ultimately lead to long term success on the court. If Dan leaves next year what kind of position is the ISU men's basketball program as respects to bench strength from an employee standpoint? I am pro-Muller but firmly believe what he did was wrong and was a disservice to ISU/students/alumni by promoting talent to leave ISU.

For those that believe otherwise try going to your current boss and ask her/him to call up a competitor and recommend that they hire you or if you manage people start calling up your competitors and suggest they hire your star employees. Lastly for those that say "coaching" is different I believe there is absolutely no fundamental difference as every organization should want and strive to retain talented staff.

 

[Morans14]

There's a huge difference between allowing an assistant to move up and actively helping him leave. If I had a good employee that wanted to go elsewhere that's up to him but I'm not going to help him leave.

Then you are a bad manager and don't care about that employee. A leader helps develop their talent, gets the most out of their talent and wants them to move up in the profession they are in.

I have worked for a fortune 250 firm reporting to the CEO or President and across the organization talent development AND retention was a goal for EVERY people manager and that has been in place for the last 20 years. This situation is no different for the ISU men's basketball organization. Dan is paid to lead the program and that includes building a team of talented employees that can help lead, recruit, develop, coach as well as help promote/market the program... which should ultimately lead to long term success on the court. If Dan leaves next year what kind of position is the ISU men's basketball program as respects to bench strength from an employee standpoint? I am pro-Muller but firmly believe what he did was wrong and was a disservice to ISU/students/alumni by promoting talent to leave ISU.

For those that believe otherwise try going to your current boss and ask her/him to call up a competitor and recommend that they hire you or if you manage people start calling up your competitors and suggest they hire your star employees. Lastly for those that say "coaching" is different I believe there is absolutely no fundamental difference as every organization should want and strive to retain talented staff.

Coaching is different though. When my boss reviews my career goals with me, we talk about opportunities to move up within the company because opportunities exist within my company. I don't think you can say that about an assistant coach. To take the next step and move up, it means going to a different program.


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[ricohill]

There's a huge difference between allowing an assistant to move up and actively helping him leave. If I had a good employee that wanted to go elsewhere that's up to him but I'm not going to help him leave.

Then you are a bad manager and don't care about that employee. A leader helps develop their talent, gets the most out of their talent and wants them to move up in the profession they are in.

I have worked for a fortune 250 firm reporting to the CEO or President and across the organization talent development AND retention was a goal for EVERY people manager and that has been in place for the last 20 years. This situation is no different for the ISU men's basketball organization. Dan is paid to lead the program and that includes building a team of talented employees that can help lead, recruit, develop, coach as well as help promote/market the program... which should ultimately lead to long term success on the court. If Dan leaves next year what kind of position is the ISU men's basketball program as respects to bench strength from an employee standpoint? I am pro-Muller but firmly believe what he did was wrong and was a disservice to ISU/students/alumni by promoting talent to leave ISU.

For those that believe otherwise try going to your current boss and ask her/him to call up a competitor and recommend that they hire you or if you manage people start calling up your competitors and suggest they hire your star employees. Lastly for those that say "coaching" is different I believe there is absolutely no fundamental difference as every organization should want and strive to retain talented staff.

College basketball and the corporate world are completely different. Dan's job is to get his assistants ready to take the next job and move their career along. I have zero problem with him promoting and helping his assistants move on. If he wasn't, no one in college basketball would ever come work for him. Coaching college athletics is unlike most other professions.

I look at it this way with Dan. If he took us to 2 or 3 NCAA tournaments, I wouldn't care if he left for a bigger job. I would hope that ISU would hire another great coach to do the same thing, have success, and move on. Would it be nice if a coach stayed at ISU and won like Gregg Marshall? Yes, but that's not likely to happen with our resources.

 

[DWRedbird]

Okay, so if it's okay for Muller to "promote" his assistants to "better" programs so they can move up in the world, is it okay for him to "promote" the McIntosh's and Hawkin's of the world to "better" programs so they can move up?

If you argue it's okay for Muller to wish his assistants well, then seems to me you should be okay with the same for the players. And Muller himself of course. So how the hey do we ever see this program grow (or one could argue, RETURN to past glory)? All of you moaners and gripers who don't think ISU is doing enough to "move up", please don't support Muller and the theory of moving up and out rather than staying and making ISU "great again"!!

So, I'm honestly not sure what argument you are trying to make here. Are you trying to say that we should be happy with players leaving, because we aren't upset that Muller helped a friend/employee get a better job? Because I'll be honest that's a stretch argument. Are you insinuating that Muller "promoted" those guys to better programs? Are you just ranting about Muller for funzies? I'm legit not sure what point this is meant to argue.


As far as assistants go, I honestly don't know what the big deal is of Muller helping his assistant go to a new program. Yak leaving isn't the cause of any of our current troubles, unless you believe he had magical powers that would have kept guys from being injured, Copeland from being academically ineligible, or he had some sort of spell that made our guys more consistent shooters. He might have been able to help with our defensive woes a bit, but I don't think he is the cure-all for that problem either. I don't see how Yak leaving, with the Muller assist, is taking our program down at all...

 

[Buffett]

I miss D Oliver more than Yak, ask Paris Lee

 

[Birdfriend72]

Then you are a bad manager and don't care about that employee. A leader helps develop their talent, gets the most out of their talent and wants them to move up in the profession they are in.

I have worked for a fortune 250 firm reporting to the CEO or President and across the organization talent development AND retention was a goal for EVERY people manager and that has been in place for the last 20 years. This situation is no different for the ISU men's basketball organization. Dan is paid to lead the program and that includes building a team of talented employees that can help lead, recruit, develop, coach as well as help promote/market the program... which should ultimately lead to long term success on the court. If Dan leaves next year what kind of position is the ISU men's basketball program as respects to bench strength from an employee standpoint? I am pro-Muller but firmly believe what he did was wrong and was a disservice to ISU/students/alumni by promoting talent to leave ISU.

For those that believe otherwise try going to your current boss and ask her/him to call up a competitor and recommend that they hire you or if you manage people start calling up your competitors and suggest they hire your star employees. Lastly for those that say "coaching" is different I believe there is absolutely no fundamental difference as every organization should want and strive to retain talented staff.

Coaching is different though. When my boss reviews my career goals with me, we talk about opportunities to move up within the company because opportunities exist within my company. I don't think you can say that about an assistant coach. To take the next step and move up, it means going to a different program.


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Did either of the asst coaches move up to a head coaching gig? If you believe that moving to Michigan or Wisconsin as an assistant is a great move...then you are saying that ISU is beneath both programs...and can't compete at their level!

That just the way i see it. You wouldn't leave ISU for Wichita?

 

[Morans14]

I have worked for a fortune 250 firm reporting to the CEO or President and across the organization talent development AND retention was a goal for EVERY people manager and that has been in place for the last 20 years. This situation is no different for the ISU men's basketball organization. Dan is paid to lead the program and that includes building a team of talented employees that can help lead, recruit, develop, coach as well as help promote/market the program... which should ultimately lead to long term success on the court. If Dan leaves next year what kind of position is the ISU men's basketball program as respects to bench strength from an employee standpoint? I am pro-Muller but firmly believe what he did was wrong and was a disservice to ISU/students/alumni by promoting talent to leave ISU.

For those that believe otherwise try going to your current boss and ask her/him to call up a competitor and recommend that they hire you or if you manage people start calling up your competitors and suggest they hire your star employees. Lastly for those that say "coaching" is different I believe there is absolutely no fundamental difference as every organization should want and strive to retain talented staff.

Coaching is different though. When my boss reviews my career goals with me, we talk about opportunities to move up within the company because opportunities exist within my company. I don't think you can say that about an assistant coach. To take the next step and move up, it means going to a different program.


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Did either of the asst coaches move up to a head coaching gig? If you believe that moving to Michigan or Wisconsin as an assistant is a great move...then you are saying that ISU is beneath both programs...and can't compete at their level!

That just the way i see it. You wouldn't leave ISU for Wichita?

The big ten pays more and has higher visibility so they are considered a step up.


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[Birdfriend72]

Coaching is different though. When my boss reviews my career goals with me, we talk about opportunities to move up within the company because opportunities exist within my company. I don't think you can say that about an assistant coach. To take the next step and move up, it means going to a different program.


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Did either of the asst coaches move up to a head coaching gig? If you believe that moving to Michigan or Wisconsin as an assistant is a great move...then you are saying that ISU is beneath both programs...and can't compete at their level!

That just the way i see it. You wouldn't leave ISU for Wichita?

The big ten pays more and has higher visibility so they are considered a step up.


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I guess that is where the other 6000 fans missing in Redbird Arena are!