Birds @ Loyola

[Redbird222]

Next time instead of benching him someone can do this instead

https://twitter.com/TGEaglesNest/status/1083720987361923073?s=19

What many don’t realize is that Yarborough turns it over because he is a threat. If Matt Hein scored 19, he would turn it over at least 5 times. How many touches would he need to get 19? I want to see Yarborough learn to control his emotions...and it’s going to probably have to be another coach to teach that. I would much rather have a passionate kid...than one that laughs everything off.

Exactly .... when the game is on the line and MY is your best offensive player (and he is), a quick gesture or statement of reinforcement needs to be said. DM has to allow him to learn to control his emotions in that moment while participating in the game vs watching from the bench. That's what's going to better prepare him and the team for the heated moment in St Louis.

 

[RedbirdSoxFan]

Next time instead of benching him someone can do this instead

https://twitter.com/TGEaglesNest/status/1083720987361923073?s=19

What many don’t realize is that Yarborough turns it over because he is a threat. If Matt Hein scored 19, he would turn it over at least 5 times. How many touches would he need to get 19? I want to see Yarborough learn to control his emotions...and it’s going to probably have to be another coach to teach that. I would much rather have a passionate kid...than one that laughs everything off.

Exactly .... when the game is on the line and MY is your best offensive player (and he is), a quick gesture or statement of reinforcement needs to be said. DM has to allow him to learn to control his emotions in that moment while participating in the game vs watching from the bench. That's what's going to better prepare him and the team for the heated moment in St Louis.

Dan said during the post-game press conference that he put Jefferson in because he wanted another 3-point shooter in the game.

 

[SgtHulka]

Next time instead of benching him someone can do this instead

https://twitter.com/TGEaglesNest/status/1083720987361923073?s=19

What many don’t realize is that Yarborough turns it over because he is a threat. If Matt Hein scored 19, he would turn it over at least 5 times. How many touches would he need to get 19? I want to see Yarborough learn to control his emotions...and it’s going to probably have to be another coach to teach that. I would much rather have a passionate kid...than one that laughs everything off.

Exactly .... when the game is on the line and MY is your best offensive player (and he is), a quick gesture or statement of reinforcement needs to be said. DM has to allow him to learn to control his emotions in that moment while participating in the game vs watching from the bench. That's what's going to better prepare him and the team for the heated moment in St Louis.

According to the game article in the Pantagraph he was pulled from the game to put in a better 3 point threat in JJ

 

[Redbird222]

What many don’t realize is that Yarborough turns it over because he is a threat. If Matt Hein scored 19, he would turn it over at least 5 times. How many touches would he need to get 19? I want to see Yarborough learn to control his emotions...and it’s going to probably have to be another coach to teach that. I would much rather have a passionate kid...than one that laughs everything off.

Exactly .... when the game is on the line and MY is your best offensive player (and he is), a quick gesture or statement of reinforcement needs to be said. DM has to allow him to learn to control his emotions in that moment while participating in the game vs watching from the bench. That's what's going to better prepare him and the team for the heated moment in St Louis.

Dan said during the post-game press conference that he put Jefferson in because he wanted another 3-point shooter in the game.

MY shoots 40% from 3 for the year (second best) and 37.5% in conference (second best). He was 1 - 1 in the game. While Jefferson 41.3% for the year he is 2 for 13 in MVC play or 15.4% and wad 1 for 4 yesterday. Also, MY could have been used to penetrate/pass or decoy.

 

[gobirds72]

What many don’t realize is that Yarborough turns it over because he is a threat. If Matt Hein scored 19, he would turn it over at least 5 times. How many touches would he need to get 19? I want to see Yarborough learn to control his emotions...and it’s going to probably have to be another coach to teach that. I would much rather have a passionate kid...than one that laughs everything off.

Exactly .... when the game is on the line and MY is your best offensive player (and he is), a quick gesture or statement of reinforcement needs to be said. DM has to allow him to learn to control his emotions in that moment while participating in the game vs watching from the bench. That's what's going to better prepare him and the team for the heated moment in St Louis.

Dan said during the post-game press conference that he put Jefferson in because he wanted another 3-point shooter in the game.

Fair enough. Who are our best three point shooters at least according to the stats?Jefferson (41%), Copeland (33%), Yarborough (40 %), Chastain (50%- limited attempts)...it then falls off.

Keyshawn was having a good day...I could see having him in there. You would want Yarborough in there as well for the percentage and rebounding. Makes no sense.

 

[CaliRdBrd]

Without Milik, we lose this game by 15.

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He’s really the only thing worth watching...that and Chastain (and to an extent Phil)

 

[CaliRdBrd]

Just watched game.

-Fayne was thoroughly dominated. Muller should have had Rey guard Krutwig in first half and tire him out. Then Fayne dominates in 2nd.

I like this idea, but what would the line up look like? Idowu, Phil, MY, Chastain and Evans?

 

[V Boy]

Can someone on this board provide an example of when the game was on the line late (like last minute or two) and we needed to score and the ball was in Milik Yarbroughs hands and we actually scored to give us the lead? I’m sure there have been a few occasions but none for me are top of mind.

On the other hand it seems like there have been a bunch of occasions where he had the ball and he turned it over, charged and threw up a bad contested shot.

While Milik Yarbrough is talented, it feels the data would support Muller taking a player out of the game who just turned it over twice and then whose head was not right when we need him to act like a senior.

 

[Bird Friend]

Next time instead of benching him someone can do this instead

https://twitter.com/TGEaglesNest/status/1083720987361923073?s=19

What many don’t realize is that Yarborough turns it over because he is a threat. If Matt Hein scored 19, he would turn it over at least 5 times. How many touches would he need to get 19? I want to see Yarborough learn to control his emotions...and it’s going to probably have to be another coach to teach that. I would much rather have a passionate kid...than one that laughs everything off.

Exactly .... when the game is on the line and MY is your best offensive player (and he is), a quick gesture or statement of reinforcement needs to be said. DM has to allow him to learn to control his emotions in that moment while participating in the game vs watching from the bench. That's what's going to better prepare him and the team for the heated moment in St Louis.

5th year senior. Shouldn't he have learned to control his emotions by now?

My following rant is based on more than just the quoted post . . .

There's a huge difference between passionate and emotional. I've seen passionate players who laugh off mistakes, but are locked in on the next play. I've seen passionate players who get mad after mistakes but are locked in on the next play. MY is passionate when he's focused. You can see it when he's locked in. But when he's emotional, he loses focus. I have nothing to base the following on other than MY's reaction, but I believe he blamed Fayne for that last turnover and it pissed him off. MY appears to me to hate it when his teammates don't do what MY thinks they should do.

33 seconds left when MY threw the ball away. I just watched the replay of that moment several times. First, MY's pass led Fayne far too much. Phil was open in the center of lane, had his defender on his trailing hip, was calling for the ball so that he could catch it and keep his defender at bay. Help defense was coming from behind Phil but wouldn't have been able to stop anything if the pass was delivered to Phil's chest. MY's pass was just flat out wide and uncatchable. Getting the ball to Phil was the right idea, but the pass was just poor execution.

The Birds fouled immediately on the inbounds. MY pulled his jersey up over his head in frustration. First Key, then Matt, then Zach, then Phil all went to encourage MY. Yarbrough shrugged them all off, but not in a good way. He was obviously in "woe is me" mode. At this point, a 5th year senior should be focussing on the next play, telling his teammates that he's good to go. MY sulked.

MY scored his final points with 11 minutes left in the game. In the final 11 minutes he had 0 pts, 2 boards, 1 steal, and 2 turnovers. Loyola took him out of the game . . . yet the team stayed in the game. This team can play well with MY not playing well, so long as he doesn't become frustrated.

Finally, comparing MY's emotions to Green or Durant is silly in my opinion. Those two have proven their ability to channel their frustrations into better play, as well as the ability to not allow their frustration to affect their focus on the next play. It's rare for them to lose focus completely. I've yet to see MY channel his frustration into better performance with any consistency. It's rare for him to play better after becoming frustrated.

 

[DannyCooksey]

Good effort all around from what I saw. Krutwig dominated Phil again. Nothing new there.

It’ll happen again in Normal, too. Phil can’t guard him. Nor can he score on him. At this point we have to accept that and try to make up for it elsewhere.

Key played much better. That’s a positive development.

Overall Loyola is a much better team and program and I’m proud we only lost by 3. Hopefully we are able to bounce back next game.

 

[Flying_Redbird]

Saying that Yarbs will not make it to the NBA simply because of his head-butting, pouting (whatever you want to call it)...is ridiculous. This isn’t the days of Red Auerbach. In today’s game talent is all that matters.

I mean, for crying out loud, Lofton has a cup of coffee in the NBA...didn’t he?

two separate games with a pair of turnovers at the most crucial part of the contest. That alone separates the boys from men. Next, please

 

[Buffett]

Good effort all around from what I saw. Krutwig dominated Phil again. Nothing new there.

It’ll happen again in Normal, too. Phil can’t guard him. Nor can he score on him. At this point we have to accept that and try to make up for it elsewhere.

Key played much better. That’s a positive development.

Overall Loyola is a much better team and program and I’m proud we only lost by 3. Hopefully we are able to bounce back next game.

Actually it is something new last 3 games prior to this one ( Krutwig has not dominated Phil )

Krutwig 3pt 5 reb 2 blocks 1 assist
16 pts 5 reb 0 blocks 4 assist
11pts 9 reb 1 Blk 0 assist

Fayne 14pts 3 reb 0 blocks 1 assist
9pts 5 reb 1 block 0 assist
12 pts 4 reb 1 blck 1 assist


Other thoughts the Horizon League is winning the MVC right now
Good teams don't lose close games.

 

[RedbirdSoxFan]

Fayne needs to learn to flop when Krutwig bangs into him. Some of those should have been called offensive fouls.

 

[Chi-bird]

Yarbs is the most talented player on this team.....by far. He can create for himself and others. He can score of the dribble, in the post, etc. He has very good basketball skills and ability.

He's also the most internally hostile, self-pitying,, insubordinate, insular, blaming, and emotionally fragile player on the team.

We are not winning anything if he doesn't improve on those other areas. We ain't getting no auto-bid, or an NIT bid. This is a teaching moment for Dan, and a development moment. It's also a winning moment. We need Yarbs to develop the other areas of his game (the game between his ears) if both he and we are going to see success on the basketbal court.

For those who want Dan to turn his cheek to that behavior, you don't understand just how detrimental it is to allow for that to take place time and time again. I assure you, years from now, Milik will credit Dan as being one of his, if not his most positive influences in his life.

 

[Morans14]

Yarbs is the most talented player on this team.....by far. He can create for himself and others. He can score of the dribble, in the post, etc. He has very good basketball skills and ability.

He's also the most internally hostile, self-pitying, woeful, insubordinate, insular, blaming, and emotionally fragile player on the team.

We are not winning anything if he doesn't improve on those other areas. We ain't getting no auto-bid, or an NIT bid. This is a teaching moment for Dan, and a development moment. It's also a winning moment. We need Yarbs to develop the other areas of his game (the game between his ears) if both he and we are going to see success on the basketbal court.

For those who want Dan to turn his cheek to that behavior, you don't understand just how detrimental it is to allow for that to take place time and time again. I assure you, years from now, Milik will credit Dan as being one of his, if not his most positive influences in his life.

Couldn't agree more!


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[stats]

Yarbs is the most talented player on this team.....by far. He can create for himself and others. He can score of the dribble, in the post, etc. He has very good basketball skills and ability.

He's also the most internally hostile, self-pitying,, insubordinate, insular, blaming, and emotionally fragile player on the team.

We are not winning anything if he doesn't improve on those other areas. We ain't getting no auto-bid, or an NIT bid. This is a teaching moment for Dan, and a development moment. It's also a winning moment. We need Yarbs to develop the other areas of his game (the game between his ears) if both he and we are going to see success on the basketbal court.

For those who want Dan to turn his cheek to that behavior, you don't understand just how detrimental it is to allow for that to take place time and time again. I assure you, years from now, Milik will credit Dan as being one of his, if not his most positive influences in his life.

I agree, but the benching is not solving the problem. I was serious when I asked if anyone knows if there is a sports psychologist that works with the team or any ISU teams?

 

[Chi-bird]

Yarbs is the most talented player on this team.....by far. He can create for himself and others. He can score of the dribble, in the post, etc. He has very good basketball skills and ability.

He's also the most internally hostile, self-pitying,, insubordinate, insular, blaming, and emotionally fragile player on the team.

We are not winning anything if he doesn't improve on those other areas. We ain't getting no auto-bid, or an NIT bid. This is a teaching moment for Dan, and a development moment. It's also a winning moment. We need Yarbs to develop the other areas of his game (the game between his ears) if both he and we are going to see success on the basketbal court.

For those who want Dan to turn his cheek to that behavior, you don't understand just how detrimental it is to allow for that to take place time and time again. I assure you, years from now, Milik will credit Dan as being one of his, if not his most positive influences in his life.

I agree, but the benching is not solving the problem. I was serious when I asked if anyone knows if there is a sports psychologist that works with the team or any ISU teams?

I'm sure the benching alone doesn't solve the problem.......but allowing the behavior to go unchecked sure as hell doesn't solve it.

 

[The Beak]

Next time instead of benching him someone can do this instead

https://twitter.com/TGEaglesNest/status/1083720987361923073?s=19

What many don’t realize is that Yarborough turns it over because he is a threat. If Matt Hein scored 19, he would turn it over at least 5 times. How many touches would he need to get 19? I want to see Yarborough learn to control his emotions...and it’s going to probably have to be another coach to teach that. I would much rather have a passionate kid...than one that laughs everything off.

Exactly .... when the game is on the line and MY is your best offensive player (and he is), a quick gesture or statement of reinforcement needs to be said. DM has to allow him to learn to control his emotions in that moment while participating in the game vs watching from the bench. That's what's going to better prepare him and the team for the heated moment in St Louis.

While I never say "never," we're in the final two months of the three year MY experiment. There's nothing to learn anymore.

All Muller can do now is mitigate the meltdown when he sees it coming. And it happened again yesterday. Unlike the rest of the game, MY was clearly in a mental space that wasn't in the Gentile Center after the two turnovers. Once that happens, Muller has learned MY is not snapping back anytime soon, especially with just a few seconds left in the game. He's also on record saying the rest of the team takes it's energy from MY, for better or worse. Muller had to take him out yesterday, and his post game comment of putting Jefferson in for his 3-point shooting was clearly a cover.

It's not a dig to say this is who MY is. At least right now, and it's unlikely to change by March.

 

[gobirds72]

Can someone on this board provide an example of when the game was on the line late (like last minute or two) and we needed to score and the ball was in Milik Yarbroughs hands and we actually scored to give us the lead? I’m sure there have been a few occasions but none for me are top of mind.

On the other hand it seems like there have been a bunch of occasions where he had the ball and he turned it over, charged and threw up a bad contested shot.

While Milik Yarbrough is talented, it feels the data would support Muller taking a player out of the game who just turned it over twice and then whose head was not right when we need him to act like a senior.

Can you tell me the last time the game was on the line and we actually had a real game plan? Loyola ran a nice offense...where they moved without the ball! We ran something similar once...and Fayne scores on a pick and roll! We don’t do enough moving without the ball! There is no discipline on offense! It’s stand around...run the clock and fire a three. You can get that shot anytime!

 

[gobirds72]

What many don’t realize is that Yarborough turns it over because he is a threat. If Matt Hein scored 19, he would turn it over at least 5 times. How many touches would he need to get 19? I want to see Yarborough learn to control his emotions...and it’s going to probably have to be another coach to teach that. I would much rather have a passionate kid...than one that laughs everything off.

Exactly .... when the game is on the line and MY is your best offensive player (and he is), a quick gesture or statement of reinforcement needs to be said. DM has to allow him to learn to control his emotions in that moment while participating in the game vs watching from the bench. That's what's going to better prepare him and the team for the heated moment in St Louis.

While I never say "never," we're in the final two months of the three year MY experiment. There's nothing to learn anymore.

All Muller can do now is mitigate the meltdown when he sees it coming. And it happened again yesterday. Unlike the rest of the game, MY was clearly in a mental space that wasn't in the Gentile Center after the two turnovers. Once that happens, Muller has learned MY is not snapping back anytime soon, especially with just a few seconds left in the game. He's also on record saying the rest of the team takes it's energy from MY, for better or worse. Muller had to take him out yesterday, and his post game comment of putting Jefferson in for his 3-point shooting was clearly a cover.

It's not a dig to say this is who MY is. At least right now, and it's unlikely to change by March.

The sad thing is MY isn’t the only player that has been a bad matchup for Muller! Johnny Hill, Zach Lofton, Tyler Brown and Deontae Hawkins are a few that come to mind! It seems Muller has a hard time with talented players! You know it doesn’t always have to be the player. There is enough players here to tell me it may not just be the player that is the issue. It seems to not just be an isolated issue!