Athletic Pay Cuts

[TIMMY]

I say you then bail on those games. I can see like 50% pay rate, but nobody is going to take an automatic loss for no financial gain.

Absolutely right. Playing these games needs to be a win/win. Playing Illinois for bus fare? I don't see the upside.

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

I say you then bail on those games. I can see like 50% pay rate, but nobody is going to take an automatic loss for no financial gain.

Absolutely right. Playing these games needs to be a win/win. Playing Illinois for bus fare? I don't see the upside.

I still see a couple. It increases your strength of schedule and holy cow imagine if you beat a team like that? I know this unlikely for Dan, but for a northern Iowa with green back that doesn’t seem so far fetched. At selection time, committee will be looking at Q1 and Q2 performance. There is financial gain to be had, with ncaa tournament bids.

I think you guys need to have a competitive winning mentality and not a scared approach like these schools will go in and lose no matter what.

 

[Redbird222]

I say you then bail on those games. I can see like 50% pay rate, but nobody is going to take an automatic loss for no financial gain.

Absolutely right. Playing these games needs to be a win/win. Playing Illinois for bus fare? I don't see the upside.

I think the lower tier teams may be willing to travel by bus for a day for potential upside but they may not travel too far if there is risk to the upside. I think the schedules next year will have a more regional focus in general.

 

[ricohill]

Not sure I understand the mentality of saying going to a Power 6 team is an automatic loss on the scoreboard. That is one heck of an attitude.

I see it being said that this is a loss/loss. However, I don't see how getting an opportunity to beat a Power 6 team in their gym (which, likely this year would be more like a neutral site game with limited to no fans), tv exposure, and increased strength of schedule are bad things?

I don't get the fear mid-majors have of these games. Either you have to go beat these teams to get an at-large bid or if you are a believer mid-majors can't get at-large bids then you have nothing to lose by playing these games even if you lose.

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

Not sure I understand the mentality of saying going to a Power 6 team is an automatic loss on the scoreboard. That is one heck of an attitude.

I see it being said that this is a loss/loss. However, I don't see how getting an opportunity to beat a Power 6 team in their gym (which, likely this year would be more like a neutral site game with limited to no fans), tv exposure, and increased strength of schedule are bad things?

I don't get the fear mid-majors have of these games. Either you have to go beat these teams to get an at-large bid or if you are a believer mid-majors can't get at-large bids then you have nothing to lose by playing these games even if you lose.

Not to mention, tougher competition should improve your team. But hey let’s keep playing UW milwaukee

 

[TIMMY]

Play for peanuts you'll always be playing for peanuts.

 

[Hamdonger]

Play for peanuts you'll always be playing for peanuts.

Yessir. Bigger programs have plenty of cash to go around. Mids absolutely do not. That's a big gap in the budget. How do you suggest filling it when the mids are struggling to survive? Get the money or don't play...otherwise the mids are COMPLETELY the big boy's biotch and it establishes a new pattern which will spread like a virus. Umm, I mean, fire. You simply have to stand up for this one if you're a mid.

Or, like cubird said...demand a home and home if you're not getting paid. Not likely to happen, but that's a deal I'd take as an AD.

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

Play for peanuts you'll always be playing for peanuts.

Yessir. Bigger programs have plenty of cash to go around. Mids absolutely do not. That's a big gap in the budget. How do you suggest filling it when the mids are struggling to survive? Get the money or don't play...otherwise the mids are COMPLETELY the big boy's biotch and it establishes a new pattern which will spread like a virus. Umm, I mean, fire. You simply have to stand up for this one if you're a mid.

Or, like cubird said...demand a home and home if you're not getting paid. Not likely to happen, but that's a deal I'd take as an AD.

This is likely a one year event where fans won’t attend or will be a reduction in attendance. It does make sense if the home school can’t sell tickets then they don’t have the ability to share that revenue with the opponent.

Guess I don’t see the problem with going to play someone like Purdue and taking a chance to beat them. If there’s no fans that minimizes home court edge and even a better chance to win. I look at this as an opportunity to build an at large resume. Seems like most here are getting their pride hurt over not making money off the game. Don’t understand it.

If Wisconsin paid the travel fees for ISU to come to the Kohl Center and ISU puts an ass whooping on them like the 96 NIT, I think you’d be happy. But based on comments here you would rather play Milwaukee instead home and home

 

[redbirds2000]

Not sure I understand the mentality of saying going to a Power 6 team is an automatic loss on the scoreboard. That is one heck of an attitude.

I see it being said that this is a loss/loss. However, I don't see how getting an opportunity to beat a Power 6 team in their gym (which, likely this year would be more like a neutral site game with limited to no fans), tv exposure, and increased strength of schedule are bad things?

I don't get the fear mid-majors have of these games. Either you have to go beat these teams to get an at-large bid or if you are a believer mid-majors can't get at-large bids then you have nothing to lose by playing these games even if you lose.

Not to mention, tougher competition should improve your team. But hey let’s keep playing UW milwaukee

The UWM fans are probably thinking the same thing about having us on the schedule. At least they have been a somewhat relevant mid-major this century. 4 NCAAs, 3 NCAA wins, and a Sweet 16 appearance against Illinois. And they won @ Wisconsin in 2015. Our "greatest Redbird memory" thread would be 40 pages if that was us.

 

[isuquinndog]

I think the point is the big schools have money. They all just made $50 mil + off TV deals for football. They can afford to pay the small school something. Plus if you want Dan bought out, we need every cent we can get.

But for schools like Texas Southern and others who entire athletic budget is paid for by paying 10 power conference schools a season for the money, this is going to bankrupt them.

 

[TIMMY]

I don't have a problem playing Milwaukee or UIC home and home.. Marquette and DePaul won't do it. Thing is market it properly to alumni and make it an event.

 

[ricohill]

I still don't get the stance of Mid-Majors taking their ball and going home if Power 5 schools don't meet their scheduling wish list.

In 2017 if ISU goes on the road and beats an Indiana, Purdue, Iowa, Wisconsin, etc...instead of any of the teams they played (outside TCU) they get an at-large bid. If they play one of those teams and lose they probably still don't get an at-large bid, but would have a better shot with an increased SOS.

There was a time when the MVC was strong, I could see a reason why you wouldn't want to schedule as tough because the league was a gauntlet. Now isn't the case.

In 2008, Janko's first year they played 12 MVC games (including 2 in the MVC Tournament) against top 100 teams. This year ISU only played 2 (UNI).

ISU doesn't need the money they need the opportunity to play good competition. The MTE this year is great. Guaranteed 2 good games. Why play 10 other sub top 100 teams with the other games like they have been doing? Why not schedule two more Power 5 teams and play 8 easy non-conference games. I guarantee right now, ISU could schedule a road game with any Power 5 team in America.

 

[isuquinndog]

I don't think ISU can call up anyone they want and get a road game. Especially the bottom of that list of teams.

 

[redbirds2000]

I don't have a problem playing Milwaukee or UIC home and home.. Marquette and DePaul won't do it. Thing is market it properly to alumni and make it an event.

Agree. Milwaukee would be a great town to get an alumni event set up before/after this game. I'm sure there is an ISU connection at a downtown bar or restaurant. I think we should get NIU on the schedule too. Package it with the football game. Dan probably doesn't want to play @ UIC now? Play either UIC or NIU at the Sears Centre. I guarantee ISU vs NIU/UIC over winter break @ SC draws more than the 3,500ish that were at ISU vs UIC this past year.

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

I have seen Evansville play schools like Kentucky and duke. Loyola just got a home and home with DePaul. Muller has been able to play Louisville and Kentucky on the road. I am not sure it’s as impossible as it sounds. Dan made it clear he wants home and homes, back when he did his Bitmoji stunt to get ole miss on the schedule.

I believe Drake scheduled Cincy last year, mo state went to Xavier. And this is all off memory I am sure there’s several more examples.

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

Not sure I understand the mentality of saying going to a Power 6 team is an automatic loss on the scoreboard. That is one heck of an attitude.

I see it being said that this is a loss/loss. However, I don't see how getting an opportunity to beat a Power 6 team in their gym (which, likely this year would be more like a neutral site game with limited to no fans), tv exposure, and increased strength of schedule are bad things?

I don't get the fear mid-majors have of these games. Either you have to go beat these teams to get an at-large bid or if you are a believer mid-majors can't get at-large bids then you have nothing to lose by playing these games even if you lose.

Not to mention, tougher competition should improve your team. But hey let’s keep playing UW milwaukee

The UWM fans are probably thinking the same thing about having us on the schedule. At least they have been a somewhat relevant mid-major this century. 4 NCAAs, 3 NCAA wins, and a Sweet 16 appearance against Illinois. And they won @ Wisconsin in 2015. Our "greatest Redbird memory" thread would be 40 pages if that was us.

Very good post. I forgot how far we have fallen. A crude reminder of where isu basketball falls in the overall landscape

 

[Redbird60451]

I don't have a problem playing Milwaukee or UIC home and home.. Marquette and DePaul won't do it. Thing is market it properly to alumni and make it an event.

Agree. Milwaukee would be a great town to get an alumni event set up before/after this game. I'm sure there is an ISU connection at a downtown bar or restaurant. I think we should get NIU on the schedule too. Package it with the football game. Dan probably doesn't want to play @ UIC now? Play either UIC or NIU at the Sears Centre. I guarantee ISU vs NIU/UIC over winter break @ SC draws more than the 3,500ish that were at ISU vs UIC this past year.

I believe you schedule a 2nd game that day, and for fan's make it a 2 for 1, you likely do real well at the Sears Center. I thought Iowa used to do a similar thing with all 4 schools in their state. But don't market it as a tournament. So not a round robin or anything. Just 2 games in one day. So someone who likes basketball could go and see 4 different schools, or you could just show up for your school, yes ticket might be slightly more, but if your talking say $30 for a ticket, but technically get 2 games, it's much different then paying $20 for one. And don't tie it to IL, draw a circle around the location and find schools that would travel. So if your at the Sears Center you could grab a team from WI, if your in the Quad Cities grab a team from Iowa, in St. Louis grab a team from MO. I'm sure some of these schools would make more money then even a typical home game.

 

[redbirds2000]

I don't have a problem playing Milwaukee or UIC home and home.. Marquette and DePaul won't do it. Thing is market it properly to alumni and make it an event.

Agree. Milwaukee would be a great town to get an alumni event set up before/after this game. I'm sure there is an ISU connection at a downtown bar or restaurant. I think we should get NIU on the schedule too. Package it with the football game. Dan probably doesn't want to play @ UIC now? Play either UIC or NIU at the Sears Centre. I guarantee ISU vs NIU/UIC over winter break @ SC draws more than the 3,500ish that were at ISU vs UIC this past year.

I believe you schedule a 2nd game that day, and for fan's make it a 2 for 1, you likely do real well at the Sears Center. I thought Iowa used to do a similar thing with all 4 schools in their state. But don't market it as a tournament. So not a round robin or anything. Just 2 games in one day. So someone who likes basketball could go and see 4 different schools, or you could just show up for your school, yes ticket might be slightly more, but if your talking say $30 for a ticket, but technically get 2 games, it's much different then paying $20 for one. And don't tie it to IL, draw a circle around the location and find schools that would travel. So if your at the Sears Center you could grab a team from WI, if your in the Quad Cities grab a team from Iowa, in St. Louis grab a team from MO. I'm sure some of these schools would make more money then even a typical home game.

I like it. I'm sure athletic admin have vetted this out already!

 

[Redbird222]

But for schools like Texas Southern and others who entire athletic budget is paid for by paying 10 power conference schools a season for the money, this is going to bankrupt them.

Winner winner chicken dinner

Additionally even if their travel expenses are reimbursed how far are they going to travel if they potentially won't get paid beyond travel expenses ... whether it's with a P5 or a MVC host school. It's one thing to take a three hour bus trip vs. traveling half way across the nation and not getting the full guaranteed game funds.

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

Bowling Green cuts baseball program in financial 'restructuring' caused by COVID-19 pandemic

The cut affects 34 student athletes

www.cbssports.com

Hmm, hope this doesn't start happening at ISU