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[Cindy00]

I know I do not have skin in the game and primarily just a reader on this forum - but I need to say I've always cherished diversity of opinion. Like the post or not - I read them all and self analyze to myself as far as agreeing or disagreeing. I know - some post go way too far - but, in my opinion that is a bad judgement reflection upon the writer. And, should be judged by the reader accordingly.

It's sad to see Redbird fans leave - on their own or via censorship.

But it is never a bad thing when a troll leaves or is removed, especially when the troll has been given plenty of chances.

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[cpacmel]

I know I do not have skin in the game and primarily just a reader on this forum - but I need to say I've always cherished diversity of opinion. Like the post or not - I read them all and self analyze to myself as far as agreeing or disagreeing. I know - some post go way too far - but, in my opinion that is a bad judgement reflection upon the writer. And, should be judged by the reader accordingly.

It's sad to see Redbird fans leave - on their own or via censorship.

Quinn gave him a few chances. It’s not just him being negative. He was given a time out of a mere 24 hours (for a post that had nothing to do with ISU)

So what does he do? Signs up under a different screen name and posts away.

Talk about lack of respect directed towards Quinn. Dude couldn’t stay away from posting for 24 freaking hours. Think about that.

I’ve said it once, I’ve said it a thousand times:

He Needs this board much more than this board needs him.

 

[gobirds72]

Maybe it is time to just start my own website where everyone's opinion can be heard without people chastising you for no other reason than disagreeing because they're okay with illinois state continuing to be mediocre. Everyone has to be Pollyanna here or they're reported.

If anyone is interested in me starting a new illinois state board because they're tired of being told to fall in line with mediocrity please email me at jsnhbe@hotmail.com. I will gladly start one.

I will not ban people or start surveys or lock threads because they go against my agenda of keeping the old heads happy. I can take people disagreeing.

In fact that if I were a betting man I'd bet quinn doesn't even care about the old heads he's just trying to not get so many posts reported by whiny people who are okay with mediocrity because it takes up his time. I'm betting quinn wants isu to change for the better.

Adios BrysonYaklich. With jsnhbe, goRedbirds72, TreyGuidry3, YogaGirl (and your other creative names), you "guys" will have a choir you'all can troll to with impunity.

By comparison, VBoy has also been overly pessimistic over the years, but he's not a troll. And especially this year, he's not wrong. Something IS very, very, wrong with this supposedly most talented team coach has had.

Not learning from mistakes easily ID's by casual basketball fans.
The regression of Evans and Tinsley.
Continually coming out flat and admitting later to not being mentally prepared.
MY and Copeland flailing all over the court while other teams throwing crisp (and extra) passes to easily defeat the ISU defense.
That Jefferson is now in the doghouse is confusing to say the least. He (along with Hein, Chastain and Ike) seemed to be the most tuned in and smarter players on the floor. Also credit to Idowo for the effort as he is learning to play at this level.

Yes Muller coached teams have traditionally been late surging, but unless something changes during Christmas break, this team will be lucky to crack .500 in league play. I had no illusions anything but winning in St. Louis will lead to the big dance this year. But even if Thursday night is avoided, I'm sorry to say this looks like a one-and-out team.

You don’t know what a troll is. If a non-troll is someone that tells you what you want to hear...than I guess that makes me a troll. I bet you anything I have attended more games...and give more money to this University than you. Have a good day!

 

[DWRedbird]

Without delving too much into the game without reviewing it more, it seems th rebounding strategy is on Muller. His entire tenure he has spent time waiving his team back down the court on defense versus people fighting for rebounds. Just watch him during those plays and see him waiving guys back. Perhaps he feels his guys would foul too much going up against other teams' bigs, but I wish we were fighting for more second chances.

I agree we got more second chance opportunities, but I'm honestly not concerned about offensive rebounds. I believe your two guards are taught to run back on defense to help prevent quick transition buckets when a shot goes up, and then you leave it to your bigs to get position and try to either tip it out to the guards or get the board.

I'm more concerned with the second chances we give up. We are not a good box out team. When a shot goes up our guards often run to the perimeter ready to start the break, our bigger wings stand around the rim, watching the ball waiting to use their athleticism, and that leaves Phil and/or Rey trying to box out 3 guys attacking the rim. Yesterday I watched guys box out perfectly and we still almost lost the ball to them because our guards either ran away from the ball or stood and watched waiting for a pass. At one point Phil boxed out perfect, ball comes down and Copeland stands there watching it, waiting for it to be passed to him, while our other 3 guys ran down the floor, I'm guessing looking to start the break. Phil managed to grab the ball and throw it Copeland, fending off the guy he was boxing out. That shouldn't be. Were I Muller, I'd tell all 5 guys they need to get defensive rebounds, because you can't start a fast break if you don't have the ball...

Not in the fire Dan camp either but it’s still on him to get this straightened out.

I agree 100%. This is his team, he needs to get them back on track.

 

[V Boy]

Six TOs in first half. 0-3 from field. Seems that might be on Yarbrough. Yeah, he's our best player, but he can also be a major thorn. This season was his chance to prove himself. He's a guy who can take over a game, but he can also be a guy who can sink the team.

I'm not saying Dan doesn't have some fault in this game or season. He does. No doubt. But MY has to learn about putting the team first, minimizing his ego. When he butts heads with Muller the team loses, he loses, and Muller loses. MY keeps proving that.

While I know we have Horne coming in to play PG, we need a really good juco PG, as well. Copeland is not a good option. He needs to be on the wing. Copeland's 5 TOs shows us that.

You can say whatever you want to say. You bench your guy who averages 18 8 and 5 for the entire 2nd half over and over then you basically have no program.

Good players get benched when they are not doing what they are suppose to, have attitude problems, etc. Why would any coach compromise on that?

Hey guys.....any way you want to cut this...:this is a huge problem for Dan Muller. The buck stops with him. If he has to bench his top players over and over for whatever reason it’s on Muller.

I don’t know why anyone in their right mind would pay money to go see this right now. It’s a complete train wreck that 100% lacks leadership.

The coaches are apparently putting the wrong guys on the team and then they are forced into managing a day care instead of a basketball team.

I won’t be going to any more Redbird games until it gets sorted out.

 

[CaliRdBrd]

They all derserve to be criticized. They are all failing big time in every area. How can you not see that. And, if you do how are you okay with it?! This is a team with at-large aspirations (Dan"s words) instead there is a strong possibility they finish under .500. bon top if that Dan had had one great season, one good season, and 4 barely above average seasons, with probably an under .500 season. That averages out to 19 wins oer season including the conference tournament and postseason. So, 19-14/15 ish. Is it horrible? No. But, it's purgatory. No point being stuck in purgatory

Ok your intent on math was ok just not clear. But back to criticism I still think that’s all you do. Provide solutions for a change other than firing everyone you don’t like. You are more than willing to dish it out but aren’t willing to take it. If you are such a basketball expert give us X and O basketball solutions for the team as it now exists. Constantly whining gets tiresome. Yea I don’t have to listen or respond either. So feel free to start your own site. But if you remain on here in the constant negative mode then you will have to accept criticism.

From my perspective, she/he provides tons of solutions...

Go after Yak
Get rid of Muller

it’s just none of the rose colored alumni seem to want to accept them.

Seems to me like he/she is a passionate Redbird fan that ono y wants for this program to be relevant. I think we all want that - right? However, a few on here are in constant attack mode.
I’ve said it before, I personally welcome all types of options. Makes the board more interesting: especially when the team isn’t.

 

[HT59]

I know I do not have skin in the game and primarily just a reader on this forum - but I need to say I've always cherished diversity of opinion. Like the post or not - I read them all and self analyze to myself as far as agreeing or disagreeing. I know - some post go way too far - but, in my opinion that is a bad judgement reflection upon the writer. And, should be judged by the reader accordingly.
:text-+1:
It's sad to see Redbird fans leave - on their own or via censorship.

 

[CaliRdBrd]

I know I do not have skin in the game and primarily just a reader on this forum - but I need to say I've always cherished diversity of opinion. Like the post or not - I read them all and self analyze to myself as far as agreeing or disagreeing. I know - some post go way too far - but, in my opinion that is a bad judgement reflection upon the writer. And, should be judged by the reader accordingly.

It's sad to see Redbird fans leave - on their own or via censorship.

100% agree!

 

[gobirds72]

I know I do not have skin in the game and primarily just a reader on this forum - but I need to say I've always cherished diversity of opinion. Like the post or not - I read them all and self analyze to myself as far as agreeing or disagreeing. I know - some post go way too far - but, in my opinion that is a bad judgement reflection upon the writer. And, should be judged by the reader accordingly.

It's sad to see Redbird fans leave - on their own or via censorship.

100% agree!

The close minded is working. Let’s see how many walk in Redbird Arena the next game. I prefer a packed Arena!

 

[Tpguy]

In case you missed it our resident "hater" is going to start his own Redbird board. Mark his email down and join. jsnhbe@hotmail.com looks like he's got a few takers that want to see him repeat the same nonsense over and over in each thread. I prefer to read V boys posts that actually have good arguments for why they disagree, we have many others like him that know how to make a point without the same old bs.

He welcomes everyone that goes to more games and gives the most money to the program to join. He won't start any polls but everyone must agree that Muller and Lyons must go.

There should be some very educated conversations going on over at the new board, but I think more than not will respect Quinn and stay here.

The J guy showed his maturity by breaking the rules and signing up under another name to get around Quinn's ban and those that agree with that tactic are no better. If there is a fee to join the new board I will donate anyone's first month to join, except the rich guy that gives so much money to ISU.

ps, I agree our team sucks, nothing we can do about it but stay loyal.

 

[Brick]

They all derserve to be criticized. They are all failing big time in every area. How can you not see that. And, if you do how are you okay with it?! This is a team with at-large aspirations (Dan"s words) instead there is a strong possibility they finish under .500. bon top if that Dan had had one great season, one good season, and 4 barely above average seasons, with probably an under .500 season. That averages out to 19 wins oer season including the conference tournament and postseason. So, 19-14/15 ish. Is it horrible? No. But, it's purgatory. No point being stuck in purgatory

Ok your intent on math was ok just not clear. But back to criticism I still think that’s all you do. Provide solutions for a change other than firing everyone you don’t like. You are more than willing to dish it out but aren’t willing to take it. If you are such a basketball expert give us X and O basketball solutions for the team as it now exists. Constantly whining gets tiresome. Yea I don’t have to listen or respond either. So feel free to start your own site. But if you remain on here in the constant negative mode then you will have to accept criticism.

From my perspective, she/he provides tons of solutions...

Go after Yak
Get rid of Muller

it’s just none of the rose colored alumni seem to want to accept them.

Seems to me like he/she is a passionate Redbird fan that ono y wants for this program to be relevant. I think we all want that - right? However, a few on here are in constant attack mode.
I’ve said it before, I personally welcome all types of options. Makes the board more interesting: especially when the team isn’t.

How does go after Yak or fire Muller become a solution for the current problems? Or accuse those that disagreed with him of being “part of the problem “ because in his opinion we wanted mediocrity. I rather think that NONE of us here, nor coaches, nor
Players nor administration want mediocrity. Firing someone or getting rid of players with 19 games left is not a solution. Give me X’s and O’s solutions. There’s still more than half the season left. This person wore me out always being in attack mode. And he couldn’t abide by simple rules that the rest of us do. It’s Quinn’s board.

 

[CaliRdBrd]

Ok your intent on math was ok just not clear. But back to criticism I still think that’s all you do. Provide solutions for a change other than firing everyone you don’t like. You are more than willing to dish it out but aren’t willing to take it. If you are such a basketball expert give us X and O basketball solutions for the team as it now exists. Constantly whining gets tiresome. Yea I don’t have to listen or respond either. So feel free to start your own site. But if you remain on here in the constant negative mode then you will have to accept criticism.

From my perspective, she/he provides tons of solutions...

Go after Yak
Get rid of Muller

it’s just none of the rose colored alumni seem to want to accept them.

Seems to me like he/she is a passionate Redbird fan that ono y wants for this program to be relevant. I think we all want that - right? However, a few on here are in constant attack mode.
I’ve said it before, I personally welcome all types of options. Makes the board more interesting: especially when the team isn’t.

How does go after Yak or fire Muller become a solution for the current problems? Or accuse those that disagreed with him of being “part of the problem “ because in his opinion we wanted mediocrity. I rather think that NONE of us here, nor coaches, nor
Players nor administration want mediocrity. Firing someone or getting rid of players with 19 games left is not a solution. Give me X’s and O’s solutions. There’s still more than half the season left. This person wore me out always being in attack mode. And he couldn’t abide by simple rules that the rest of us do. It’s Quinn’s board.

This is what happens when you have an incredibly under-performing, over-hyped, program that is on a record setting NCAA drought...Die hard Redbirds fans start bickering amongst themselves.
We all want to better and some have a different voice than others. I’ll stick my mantra...as long as you stay away from politics and/or race-baiting, etc. all opinions should be welcome.

 

[Redbird Alum 2004]

I am glad he is gone. The board became a cesspool and I stopped coming here everyday. I used to pay a lot but showed down because the only posts of conversation were his negative ones. It gets tiring. I would rather discuss positives of the game. For instance perhaps that second half by key is what he needed to get going. If we can get him and Tinsley going we will be solid.

 

[vbird]

You can say whatever you want to say. You bench your guy who averages 18 8 and 5 for the entire 2nd half over and over then you basically have no program.

Good players get benched when they are not doing what they are suppose to, have attitude problems, etc. Why would any coach compromise on that?

Hey guys.....any way you want to cut this...:this is a huge problem for Dan Muller. The buck stops with him. If he has to bench his top players over and over for whatever reason it’s on Muller.

I don’t know why anyone in their right mind would pay money to go see this right now. It’s a complete train wreck that 100% lacks leadership.

The coaches are apparently putting the wrong guys on the team and then they are forced into managing a day care instead of a basketball team.

I won’t be going to any more Redbird games until it gets sorted out.

Completely agree. I’ve been a 20 year season ticket holder. This is terrible to watch. I’m not saying I’ll never be back, but I’ve written my last check to ISU for at least a few years...probably until the current AD is replaced.

 

[Brick]

Let’s see. ISU paid me to go to school in 65. Army got in the way and was fortunate enough to be a “volunteer coach” for Coach Smithson during the glory years due to my age etc. learned a lot of basketball during that time that I never got just playing the game. Both kids also graduated from ISU. Had season tickets since 75 though I no longer live in Illinois. Have too much invested so while I hope for better I will stay the course. No critical of those that won’t either. That’s just me giving back to
my university

 

[Bird Friend]

Agreed a need for a true point guard. Drake transfer Norton would have been a nice addition. 4 assist tonight not as bad as it looks with the way we shot; however, TOs gave them 22 points. Need a big ass rebounder next year. Hope Fisher can be that banger.

We all know fisher is not that banger. Idowu better learn or we have no reboulder next season. Do we even have a point guard. I done envision hillsman starting and Boyd is more of a 2. Next year should be even worse. Two sub .500 seasons may be enough to get the boot.

I'm sorry, but how do we know Fisher isn't "that banger"? cubird said we need a rebounder. Fisher averaged 6.3/game as a redshirt frosh on a team that outrebounded their opponents by 3.7/game. MY averaged 6.6 as a RS Junior on a team that was outrebounded by 3.5/game. Fisher has time and room to grow his rebounding skill.

On a 40-minute basis, Fisher averaged 9.9/40 as a redshirt frosh on a team that outrebounded their opponents by 3.7/game. As a sophomore, Fayne averaged 10.3/40 on a team that outrebounded opponents by 2.5/game. Last year he averaged 10.0/40 on a team that was outrebounded by 3.5/game. Fayne is listed at 6-9/220. Fisher listed at 6-8/215.

If--and it's alway if--Fisher maintains focus on boxing out and improves strength, size, and technique, there's reason to believe he'll easily surpass Fayne's best numbers. The problem with this team isn't that we don't have guys who can rebound, it's that we only have guys who don't rebound.

 

[Bird Friend]

If you're okay with a yearly average of 19-15 then you're just accepting mediocrity and you're part of the problem.

For what it's worth, I would say this is a passive-aggressive form of "name calling".

 

[Bird Friend]

They all derserve to be criticized. They are all failing big time in every area. How can you not see that. And, if you do how are you okay with it?! This is a team with at-large aspirations (Dan"s words) instead there is a strong possibility they finish under .500. bon top if that Dan had had one great season, one good season, and 4 barely above average seasons, with probably an under .500 season. That averages out to 19 wins oer season including the conference tournament and postseason. So, 19-14/15 ish. Is it horrible? No. But, it's purgatory. No point being stuck in purgatory

Ok your intent on math was ok just not clear. But back to criticism I still think that’s all you do. Provide solutions for a change other than firing everyone you don’t like. You are more than willing to dish it out but aren’t willing to take it. If you are such a basketball expert give us X and O basketball solutions for the team as it now exists. Constantly whining gets tiresome. Yea I don’t have to listen or respond either. So feel free to start your own site. But if you remain on here in the constant negative mode then you will have to accept criticism.

From my perspective, she/he provides tons of solutions...

Go after Yak
Get rid of Muller

it’s just none of the rose colored alumni seem to want to accept them.

Seems to me like he/she is a passionate Redbird fan that ono y wants for this program to be relevant. I think we all want that - right? However, a few on here are in constant attack mode.
I’ve said it before, I personally welcome all types of options. Makes the board more interesting: especially when the team isn’t.

I would agree that differing opinions is fine, but banging the same drum louder and louder is a bit much. I also have to say that two solutions does not equal "tons" of solutions. Just saying.

And here's an honest question. Why Yak?

 

[Chi-bird]

I am glad he is gone. The board became a cesspool and I stopped coming here everyday. I used to pay a lot but showed down because the only posts of conversation were his negative ones. It gets tiring. I would rather discuss positives of the game. For instance perhaps that second half by key is what he needed to get going. If we can get him and Tinsley going we will be solid.

Yep. People don’t get kicked out of bars for friendly banter or even contentious (yet civil) arguments......but become obnoxious and affect other patrons’ enjoyment and you’re going to get the boot.

This site, like a bar, is privately owned and anyone who becomes a nuisance and drives away patrons deserves to be booted. There’s plenty of disagreements and arguments on here, but some people seriously get off being excessively critical and negative. They justify their toxicity by calling it truth. The only truth is that they make this board a bad place to spend one’s free time.

 

[SgtHulka]

Let’s see. ISU paid me to go to school in 65. Army got in the way and was fortunate enough to be a “volunteer coach” for Coach Smithson during the glory years due to my age etc. learned a lot of basketball during that time that I never got just playing the game. Both kids also graduated from ISU. Had season tickets since 75 though I no longer live in Illinois. Have too much invested so while I hope for better I will stay the course. No critical of those that won’t either. That’s just me giving back to
my university

I value your opinion. You have a ton of knowledge and experience in life and basketball. We could all learn a lot from your experience :clap:

Only thing nice i can say about this game is that Chastain showed balls and heart and made some.Nice plays

Muller needs to get this fixed. Maybe we can turn the page in conference. But not holding my breath

And as far a Sybil goes...buh bye now