At UCF Friday 6pm

[Brick]

In the light of day. I thought Idowu banged around pretty hard last night. I also thought that when he and Fayne were in there together we held our own on the boards. I also liked the fact that he got a LOT of minutes against really big and strong players. Frankly he gave us lot better minutes in that spot than Boogie. Boogie is a one trick pony. Shoot the three and not much else. Never puts the ball on the floor like he did towards the end of last season. Key showed flashes of returning to form. There was some woofing going on out there and that got Key going in second half. Fayne is Fayne. Get him the ball and he will score. Even against a player 9 inches taller and 90 lbs heavier. MY is an enigma. He’s clearly our best player IMO. I didn’t see him
Dogging it but 6 of our 10 first half turnovers. Jefferson seems to be better coming off the bench. Copeland wasn’t intimidated last night, just not a point guard at this juncture. I really believe TB will make a difference because we can then play two bigs at the same time. One more thing about Milik. He was cheering the team hard in second half. And I saw him talking to coaches on at least two occasions. So hopefully not a lost cause. Finally I do agree that this is still on Dan. He’s the head coach and ultimately responsible for the product. I bleed ISU red, always have and always will. But thus far the most disappointing season in recent memory.

 

[The Beak]

Maybe it is time to just start my own website where everyone's opinion can be heard without people chastising you for no other reason than disagreeing because they're okay with illinois state continuing to be mediocre. Everyone has to be Pollyanna here or they're reported.

If anyone is interested in me starting a new illinois state board because they're tired of being told to fall in line with mediocrity please email me at jsnhbe@hotmail.com. I will gladly start one.

I will not ban people or start surveys or lock threads because they go against my agenda of keeping the old heads happy. I can take people disagreeing.

In fact that if I were a betting man I'd bet quinn doesn't even care about the old heads he's just trying to not get so many posts reported by whiny people who are okay with mediocrity because it takes up his time. I'm betting quinn wants isu to change for the better.

Adios BrysonYaklich. With jsnhbe, goRedbirds72, TreyGuidry3, YogaGirl (and your other creative names), you "guys" will have a choir you'all can troll to with impunity.

By comparison, VBoy has also been overly pessimistic over the years, but he's not a troll. And especially this year, he's not wrong. Something IS very, very, wrong with this supposedly most talented team coach has had.

Not learning from mistakes easily ID's by casual basketball fans.
The regression of Evans and Tinsley.
Continually coming out flat and admitting later to not being mentally prepared.
MY and Copeland flailing all over the court while other teams throwing crisp (and extra) passes to easily defeat the ISU defense.
That Jefferson is now in the doghouse is confusing to say the least. He (along with Hein, Chastain and Ike) seemed to be the most tuned in and smarter players on the floor. Also credit to Idowo for the effort as he is learning to play at this level.

Yes Muller coached teams have traditionally been late surging, but unless something changes during Christmas break, this team will be lucky to crack .500 in league play. I had no illusions anything but winning in St. Louis will lead to the big dance this year. But even if Thursday night is avoided, I'm sorry to say this looks like a one-and-out team.

 

[CB2K]

I was surprised PF only had 10 points but he always comes ready to play. I knew he would have a time with their length but I thought he would get to the line more. Key looked better and maybe that is the plus from the game. If we can get MY, PF and KE clicking like they did last year then this would set this team up for more success. Copeland and Jefferson would compliment them very well -- more talent than we had last year. Boogie is a head-scratcher to me. He is long and athletic but just keeps missing shots like he did last year. I agree with the previous post -- I wish he would drive more but sometimes when he does he doesn't seem to know what to do when he gets near the rim. The Valley is up for grabs because many of the teams are about the same talent-wise. Hopefully the Birds can pull it together and have a good conference season and carry that into the Lou.

 

[isuquinndog]

Maybe it is time to just start my own website where everyone's opinion can be heard without people chastising you for no other reason than disagreeing because they're okay with illinois state continuing to be mediocre. Everyone has to be Pollyanna here or they're reported.

If anyone is interested in me starting a new illinois state board because they're tired of being told to fall in line with mediocrity please email me at jsnhbe@hotmail.com. I will gladly start one.

I will not ban people or start surveys or lock threads because they go against my agenda of keeping the old heads happy. I can take people disagreeing.

In fact that if I were a betting man I'd bet quinn doesn't even care about the old heads he's just trying to not get so many posts reported by whiny people who are okay with mediocrity because it takes up his time. I'm betting quinn wants isu to change for the better.

I’ll help you get started. You went around and ban and now this. Enjoy your new home.

 

[DWRedbird]

In the light of day. I thought Idowu banged around pretty hard last night. I also thought that when he and Fayne were in there together we held our own on the boards. I also liked the fact that he got a LOT of minutes against really big and strong players. Frankly he gave us lot better minutes in that spot than Boogie. Boogie is a one trick pony. Shoot the three and not much else. Never puts the ball on the floor like he did towards the end of last season. Key showed flashes of returning to form. There was some woofing going on out there and that got Key going in second half. Fayne is Fayne. Get him the ball and he will score. Even against a player 9 inches taller and 90 lbs heavier. MY is an enigma. He’s clearly our best player IMO. I didn’t see him
Dogging it but 6 of our 10 first half turnovers. Jefferson seems to be better coming off the bench. Copeland wasn’t intimidated last night, just not a point guard at this juncture. I really believe TB will make a difference because we can then play two bigs at the same time. One more thing about Milik. He was cheering the team hard in second half. And I saw him talking to coaches on at least two occasions. So hopefully not a lost cause. Finally I do agree that this is still on Dan. He’s the head coach and ultimately responsible for the product. I bleed ISU red, always have and always will. But thus far the most disappointing season in recent memory.

I agree with you 100% on Rey. It was good to see him get good minutes against Fall, and I thought he was boxing out well, and did well offensively as well. I'd love to see him get more minutes. I also agree that having him and Fayne on the floor at the same time is something we should have been doing more of all game, especially when they were often playing Fall and Smith at the same time.

Also agree on this being the most disappointing season I can remember. I'm not in the fire Muller now camp, but I'm starting to serious question several of his strategies both in game and in recruiting.

Couple of other notes now that I've had time to cool off from the game:

-- I like Copeland, and I think he could be a good facilitator but he shouldn't be running the point at this point, and I think he is only doing it for lack of a better option.

-- I saw the guards running away from the ball a ton last night on rebounds. If I were Muller I'd be running rebounding drills for a least a quarter of practice and telling the guards every time they either stand and watch the ball or run away from it, that's ten laps for the whole team.

-- Chas looked good, he hustles, I'd honestly give him more floor time if the knee is feeling good.

--I think this is what we will be most of the rest of the year. We will look alright at home, and probably get blown out a few more times this year on the road. If the Valley were better I'd say we finish in the bottom, but it's really, really not, so we will likely finish in the top half.

 

[Reggie Redbird]

In the light of day. I thought Idowu banged around pretty hard last night. I also thought that when he and Fayne were in there together we held our own on the boards. I also liked the fact that he got a LOT of minutes against really big and strong players. Frankly he gave us lot better minutes in that spot than Boogie. Boogie is a one trick pony. Shoot the three and not much else. Never puts the ball on the floor like he did towards the end of last season. Key showed flashes of returning to form. There was some woofing going on out there and that got Key going in second half. Fayne is Fayne. Get him the ball and he will score. Even against a player 9 inches taller and 90 lbs heavier. MY is an enigma. He’s clearly our best player IMO. I didn’t see him
Dogging it but 6 of our 10 first half turnovers. Jefferson seems to be better coming off the bench. Copeland wasn’t intimidated last night, just not a point guard at this juncture. I really believe TB will make a difference because we can then play two bigs at the same time. One more thing about Milik. He was cheering the team hard in second half. And I saw him talking to coaches on at least two occasions. So hopefully not a lost cause. Finally I do agree that this is still on Dan. He’s the head coach and ultimately responsible for the product. I bleed ISU red, always have and always will. But thus far the most disappointing season in recent memory.

I agree with you 100% on Rey. It was good to see him get good minutes against Fall, and I thought he was boxing out well, and did well offensively as well. I'd love to see him get more minutes. I also agree that having him and Fayne on the floor at the same time is something we should have been doing more of all game, especially when they were often playing Fall and Smith at the same time.

Also agree on this being the most disappointing season I can remember. I'm not in the fire Muller now camp, but I'm starting to serious question several of his strategies both in game and in recruiting.

Couple of other notes now that I've had time to cool off from the game:

-- I like Copeland, and I think he could be a good facilitator but he shouldn't be running the point at this point, and I think he is only doing it for lack of a better option.

-- I saw the guards running away from the ball a ton last night on rebounds. If I were Muller I'd be running rebounding drills for a least a quarter of practice and telling the guards every time they either stand and watch the ball or run away from it, that's ten laps for the whole team.

-- Chas looked good, he hustles, I'd honestly give him more floor time if the knee is feeling good.

--I think this is what we will be most of the rest of the year. We will look alright at home, and probably get blown out a few more times this year on the road. If the Valley were better I'd say we finish in the bottom, but it's really, really not, so we will likely finish in the top half.

Without delving too much into the game without reviewing it more, it seems th rebounding strategy is on Muller. His entire tenure he has spent time waiving his team back down the court on defense versus people fighting for rebounds. Just watch him during those plays and see him waiving guys back. Perhaps he feels his guys would foul too much going up against other teams' bigs, but I wish we were fighting for more second chances.

I figure Muller gave up on this game early when we were down big and turned his attention to proving a point to MY the entire second half. I guess when UCF came back big against us, there was no more season if they lost. Dan's focus must be 100% on conference as there is zero chance for an at-large. When he did it with MY versus Chuck South, I can say with 95%+ certainty it cost us the game. I don't think we had a chance with how we were playing and coaching against UCF even if MY played all 20 of the 2nd half.

It's going to be a long conference season if we continue to have MY benchings for entire halves, especially with a short playing roster.

 

[Brick]

In the light of day. I thought Idowu banged around pretty hard last night. I also thought that when he and Fayne were in there together we held our own on the boards. I also liked the fact that he got a LOT of minutes against really big and strong players. Frankly he gave us lot better minutes in that spot than Boogie. Boogie is a one trick pony. Shoot the three and not much else. Never puts the ball on the floor like he did towards the end of last season. Key showed flashes of returning to form. There was some woofing going on out there and that got Key going in second half. Fayne is Fayne. Get him the ball and he will score. Even against a player 9 inches taller and 90 lbs heavier. MY is an enigma. He’s clearly our best player IMO. I didn’t see him
Dogging it but 6 of our 10 first half turnovers. Jefferson seems to be better coming off the bench. Copeland wasn’t intimidated last night, just not a point guard at this juncture. I really believe TB will make a difference because we can then play two bigs at the same time. One more thing about Milik. He was cheering the team hard in second half. And I saw him talking to coaches on at least two occasions. So hopefully not a lost cause. Finally I do agree that this is still on Dan. He’s the head coach and ultimately responsible for the product. I bleed ISU red, always have and always will. But thus far the most disappointing season in recent memory.

I agree with you 100% on Rey. It was good to see him get good minutes against Fall, and I thought he was boxing out well, and did well offensively as well. I'd love to see him get more minutes. I also agree that having him and Fayne on the floor at the same time is something we should have been doing more of all game, especially when they were often playing Fall and Smith at the same time.

Also agree on this being the most disappointing season I can remember. I'm not in the fire Muller now camp, but I'm starting to serious question several of his strategies both in game and in recruiting.

Couple of other notes now that I've had time to cool off from the game:

-- I like Copeland, and I think he could be a good facilitator but he shouldn't be running the point at this point, and I think he is only doing it for lack of a better option.

-- I saw the guards running away from the ball a ton last night on rebounds. If I were Muller I'd be running rebounding drills for a least a quarter of practice and telling the guards every time they either stand and watch the ball or run away from it, that's ten laps for the whole team.

-- Chas looked good, he hustles, I'd honestly give him more floor time if the knee is feeling good.

--I think this is what we will be most of the rest of the year. We will look alright at home, and probably get blown out a few more times this year on the road. If the Valley were better I'd say we finish in the bottom, but it's really, really not, so we will likely finish in the top half.

Not in the fire Dan camp either but it’s still on him to get this straightened out.

 

[Brick]

Maybe it is time to just start my own website where everyone's opinion can be heard without people chastising you for no other reason than disagreeing because they're okay with illinois state continuing to be mediocre. Everyone has to be Pollyanna here or they're reported.

If anyone is interested in me starting a new illinois state board because they're tired of being told to fall in line with mediocrity please email me at jsnhbe@hotmail.com. I will gladly start one.

I will not ban people or start surveys or lock threads because they go against my agenda of keeping the old heads happy. I can take people disagreeing.

In fact that if I were a betting man I'd bet quinn doesn't even care about the old heads he's just trying to not get so many posts reported by whiny people who are okay with mediocrity because it takes up his time. I'm betting quinn wants isu to change for the better.

I’ll help you get started. You went around and ban and now this. Enjoy your new home.

The problem with this person, Quinn, is he pretty much criticized everyone and everything. Players , other posters, ISU admin, coaches and you were all targets. But when one criticized him it was unfair. When he was clearly wrong like his math with TB yesterday he never admitted it.

 

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

Maybe it is time to just start my own website where everyone's opinion can be heard without people chastising you for no other reason than disagreeing because they're okay with illinois state continuing to be mediocre. Everyone has to be Pollyanna here or they're reported.

If anyone is interested in me starting a new illinois state board because they're tired of being told to fall in line with mediocrity please email me at jsnhbe@hotmail.com. I will gladly start one.

I will not ban people or start surveys or lock threads because they go against my agenda of keeping the old heads happy. I can take people disagreeing.

In fact that if I were a betting man I'd bet quinn doesn't even care about the old heads he's just trying to not get so many posts reported by whiny people who are okay with mediocrity because it takes up his time. I'm betting quinn wants isu to change for the better.

I’ll help you get started. You went around and ban and now this. Enjoy your new home.

The problem with this person, Quinn, is he pretty much criticized everyone and everything. Players , other posters, ISU admin, coaches and you were all targets. But when one criticized him it was unfair. When he was clearly wrong like his math with TB yesterday he never admitted it.

Except my math wasn't wrong. Go hack and read my response

 

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

They all derserve to be criticized. They are all failing big time in every area. How can you not see that. And, if you do how are you okay with it?! This is a team with at-large aspirations (Dan"s words) instead there is a strong possibility they finish under .500. bon top if that Dan had had one great season, one good season, and 4 barely above average seasons, with probably an under .500 season. That averages out to 19 wins oer season including the conference tournament and postseason. So, 19-14/15 ish. Is it horrible? No. But, it's purgatory. No point being stuck in purgatory

 

[RBFANTOO]

I wonder if it would just be better for Taylor to redshirt to retain three full years of eligibility.

Eligibility for what team(s)?

Besides, does Taylor want to miss out on this year’s big NCAA run?

:lol: :lol: :lol: But very sad.

 

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

If you're okay with a yearly average of 19-15 then you're just accepting mediocrity and you're part of the problem.

 

[Brick]

They all derserve to be criticized. They are all failing big time in every area. How can you not see that. And, if you do how are you okay with it?! This is a team with at-large aspirations (Dan"s words) instead there is a strong possibility they finish under .500. bon top if that Dan had had one great season, one good season, and 4 barely above average seasons, with probably an under .500 season. That averages out to 19 wins oer season including the conference tournament and postseason. So, 19-14/15 ish. Is it horrible? No. But, it's purgatory. No point being stuck in purgatory

Ok your intent on math was ok just not clear. But back to criticism I still think that’s all you do. Provide solutions for a change other than firing everyone you don’t like. You are more than willing to dish it out but aren’t willing to take it. If you are such a basketball expert give us X and O basketball solutions for the team as it now exists. Constantly whining gets tiresome. Yea I don’t have to listen or respond either. So feel free to start your own site. But if you remain on here in the constant negative mode then you will have to accept criticism.

 

[Tpguy]

The decision to start your own website should not have been yours, it should have been Quinn's a long time ago. Hope he sticks to his guns this time and I know of at least 7 posters that will probably return. ray:

I you do start your own have fun with about 3 or 4 other guys joining you :clap:

We are hanging around hoping this turns out ok.

 

[isuquinndog]

They all derserve to be criticized. They are all failing big time in every area. How can you not see that. And, if you do how are you okay with it?! This is a team with at-large aspirations (Dan"s words) instead there is a strong possibility they finish under .500. bon top if that Dan had had one great season, one good season, and 4 barely above average seasons, with probably an under .500 season. That averages out to 19 wins oer season including the conference tournament and postseason. So, 19-14/15 ish. Is it horrible? No. But, it's purgatory. No point being stuck in purgatory

I forgot to hit yes when banning you. Fixed that.

 

[JHBird]

I wonder if it would just be better for Taylor to redshirt to retain three full years of eligibility.

Eligibility for what team(s)?

Besides, does Taylor want to miss out on this year’s big NCAA run?

:lol: :lol: :lol: But very sad.

I think he should go for the redshirt. This year seems to be a dumpster fire. Hopefully they don't burn a year on Fisher either.

 

[Brick]

Eligibility for what team(s)?

Besides, does Taylor want to miss out on this year’s big NCAA run?

:lol: :lol: :lol: But very sad.

I think he should go for the redshirt. This year seems to be a dumpster fire. Hopefully they don't burn a year on Fisher either.

Redshirt if not back in the next 3/4 games. BUT I still think given the weakness of the conference having a third “big” would make a big difference. 6’8” 225 vs the 6.6ish 200 pounders could be significant. If you all remember TB spent some time on the low block on both ends. Theoretically he’s bigger and stronger this year. Whole different dynamic when we have 2 bigs in at the same time. Could see some of that yesterday. In an effort to change things up going forward I would certainly try to change starters and go bigger. Gotta try something

 

[Fan]

I know I do not have skin in the game and primarily just a reader on this forum - but I need to say I've always cherished diversity of opinion. Like the post or not - I read them all and self analyze to myself as far as agreeing or disagreeing. I know - some post go way too far - but, in my opinion that is a bad judgement reflection upon the writer. And, should be judged by the reader accordingly.

It's sad to see Redbird fans leave - on their own or via censorship.

 

[stats]

Without delving too much into the game without reviewing it more, it seems th rebounding strategy is on Muller. His entire tenure he has spent time waiving his team back down the court on defense versus people fighting for rebounds. Just watch him during those plays and see him waiving guys back. Perhaps he feels his guys would foul too much going up against other teams' bigs, but I wish we were fighting for more second chances.

He said for some players, getting back for transition defense will save you more points than you will gain for going after offensive rebounds. I'm pretty sure the guards are instructed to race back.

 

[Chi-bird]

I am at this game. Yarb at end of bench. Zero communication between him and coaches.

In my opinion Muller owns this. It’s a total disaster. The leader of the team routinely gets benched. It’s so stupid.

Six TOs in first half. 0-3 from field. Seems that might be on Yarbrough. Yeah, he's our best player, but he can also be a major thorn. This season was his chance to prove himself. He's a guy who can take over a game, but he can also be a guy who can sink the team.

I'm not saying Dan doesn't have some fault in this game or season. He does. No doubt. But MY has to learn about putting the team first, minimizing his ego. When he butts heads with Muller the team loses, he loses, and Muller loses. MY keeps proving that.

While I know we have Horne coming in to play PG, we need a really good juco PG, as well. Copeland is not a good option. He needs to be on the wing. Copeland's 5 TOs shows us that.

You can say whatever you want to say. You bench your guy who averages 18 8 and 5 for the entire 2nd half over and over then you basically have no program.

Good players get benched when they are not doing what they are suppose to, have attitude problems, etc. Why would any coach compromise on that?