at Southern Illinois, 3/2, 1:00 PM, CBSSN

[Morans14]

I salute you for your dedication. But seriously - if you commit such time and money to the program, you really aren't bothered by wins and losses? If that is the case, you will never be critical of the team right? Because they're just kids playing to have fun and your happiness isn't impacted by what you watch? So we can play Thursday in STL every season, but all is well?

That seems a little off to me. I don't spend my time or money on things unless it matters to me personally. Just my two cents.

And - If the University didn't believe that Mens Basketball mattered, it would not pay 600K to the head coach of the program. Winning matters - plain and simple. Maybe not to you - but to me it does- and it should to a University who committed 600K to a man to coach each year for the next what 4 years?

I do get the satisfaction of watching the athletes both male and female get their degrees and move into adulthood. They are student athletes are all.


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There are like 3 schools in the NCAA with failing APR scores. Every school now graduates their players. Graduation is a scam now with the NCAA. They get a scholarship and a stipend to play basketball here. If winning isn’t important they should just drop down to D3 or only have intramurals.

Again. I'm supporting student athletes. I'm not living vicariously through them. We'll just agree to disagree.


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[bombay]

Milik was worth rolling the dice on, but it didn't pan out.

 

[SgtHulka]

The fan base is as soft as this current team (except for Fayne). Drake has already and Loyola is about to win their 3rd MVC championships since 1998. We have one weak co-championship. The problem is our leadership at the University doesn’t care. It’s nice when we win, but losing is acceptable.

So hold on. Our 17-1 Co-championship is weak. But Drake's and Loyola's 12-6 is great. Your hate for those in charge is blinding your sensibilities.

When the rest of the league is 0-34 against the top 2 teams the league is bad. Drake winning it at 12-6 is awful as well. Playing on Thursday night when the league champion has 6 losses is pathetic.

So if two teams dominate the conference it means the conference is weak. And if nobody dominated the conference that means the conference is weak. Which side will you be speaking out of when we hit the sweet spot of...I'm gonna guess 3 teams semi dominating the conference, which will make the conference a great conference?

 

[ricohill]

So hold on. Our 17-1 Co-championship is weak. But Drake's and Loyola's 12-6 is great. Your hate for those in charge is blinding your sensibilities.

When the rest of the league is 0-34 against the top 2 teams the league is bad. Drake winning it at 12-6 is awful as well. Playing on Thursday night when the league champion has 6 losses is pathetic.

So if two teams dominate the conference it means the conference is weak. And if nobody dominated the conference that means the conference is weak. Which side will you be speaking out of when we hit the sweet spot of...I'm gonna guess 3 teams semi dominating the conference, which will make the conference a great conference?

I was actually wrong, the league was 0-38 because both teams dominated to the MVC Championship game where we got waxed. We lost by a combined 60 points to the best team in the league that year and no one could beat either. Also, the league only got 1 team that year so in the eyes of the NCAA it wasn’t that great of a league.

This year the MVC is bad because it’s ranked 17th.

 

[Trey_Guidry4three]

Because people don’t have their heads in the sand and expect better. Your mindset is why our football program never elevated. Your mindset is why athletics never mattered.

Hey! Our football program has been to the playoffs the last...wait, nevermind.

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I mean, when I was a freshman at ISU, my highschool (Chillicothe) stadium could boast better than the ISU East side and Zoo (I was in the BRMM, and that thing felt like it was about to collapse when we jumped on it to hype up a 3rd down)....In my 4 years we had winning seasons in football, and went to the quarterfinals....We went to the Championship not much longer which was never done in the history of the school...I believe that's (by definition) an elevation...Since then, Spack hasn't equaled that success, so I think it's a fair topic to discuss whether or not he should stay.....But this is a basketball forum, so let's stick to Dan...He hasn't gotten us to the promised land, and he's had plenty of years to do so; so maybe he should go...Realistically speaking, it's just not going to happen in the next few years....So i don't see the point in posts about getting him out today or within the next 365 days.

I used to be able to throw a pigskin a quarter mile

 

[ISU FAN 1]

Wouldn't call myself a casual fan at all. We've had season tickets for 4 sports for a lot of years. We travel to away games and to arch madness. We just don't pin our happiness to the on court performance of a group of 19-22 year old basketball players.


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I salute you for your dedication. But seriously - if you commit such time and money to the program, you really aren't bothered by wins and losses? If that is the case, you will never be critical of the team right? Because they're just kids playing to have fun and your happiness isn't impacted by what you watch? So we can play Thursday in STL every season, but all is well?

That seems a little off to me. I don't spend my time or money on things unless it matters to me personally. Just my two cents.

And - If the University didn't believe that Mens Basketball mattered, it would not pay 600K to the head coach of the program. Winning matters - plain and simple. Maybe not to you - but to me it does- and it should to a University who committed 600K to a man to coach each year for the next what 4 years?

I do get the satisfaction of watching the athletes both male and female get their degrees and move into adulthood. They are student athletes are all.


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Just go to graduation. Save time and money, and get the same satisfaction, multiplied many times over.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

Hey! Our football program has been to the playoffs the last...wait, nevermind.

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I mean, when I was a freshman at ISU, my highschool (Chillicothe) stadium could boast better than the ISU East side and Zoo (I was in the BRMM, and that thing felt like it was about to collapse when we jumped on it to hype up a 3rd down)....In my 4 years we had winning seasons in football, and went to the quarterfinals....We went to the Championship not much longer which was never done in the history of the school...I believe that's (by definition) an elevation...Since then, Spack hasn't equaled that success, so I think it's a fair topic to discuss whether or not he should stay.....But this is a basketball forum, so let's stick to Dan...He hasn't gotten us to the promised land, and he's had plenty of years to do so; so maybe he should go...Realistically speaking, it's just not going to happen in the next few years....So i don't see the point in posts about getting him out today or within the next 365 days.

I used to be able to throw a pigskin a quarter mile

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[V Boy]

“We are where we are because of the guys in that locker room and their unselfishness and ability to believe in one another and stay committed to their goals,” DeVries, who won a conference title in his first year as head coach, said. “These guys have been special all year and as a first-year head coach I’m blessed to have them.”

Quote taken from Drake-Mo St article after Drake won a share of league title.

This is ISUs problem. They don’t have any of this. They aren’t unselfish. They don’t believe in one another. And they don’t stay committed to their goals.

Only with one team has Muller been able to get the players to buy into a common goal.

He isn’t recruiting players who think way. And they don’t behave this way.

And if we lose to Drake on Friday it won’t be because they have better individual players. It will be because their individual players buy into a system that supports a common goal.

 

[gobirds72]

Milik was worth rolling the dice on, but it didn't pan out.

Think about where we would be without him!

 

[gobirds72]

“We are where we are because of the guys in that locker room and their unselfishness and ability to believe in one another and stay committed to their goals,” DeVries, who won a conference title in his first year as head coach, said. “These guys have been special all year and as a first-year head coach I’m blessed to have them.”

Quote taken from Drake-Mo St article after Drake won a share of league title.

This is ISUs problem. They don’t have any of this. They aren’t unselfish. They don’t believe in one another. And they don’t stay committed to their goals.

Only with one team has Muller been able to get the players to buy into a common goal.

He isn’t recruiting players who think way. And they don’t behave this way.

And if we lose to Drake on Friday it won’t be because they have better individual players. It will be because their individual players buy into a system that supports a common goal.

It all begins with the captain of the ship! The captain keeps the ship sailing! That’s why he is paid more than most in this community! He is suppose to generate revenue to the program! Contrary to some’s belief...winning is important!

 

[Morans14]

I salute you for your dedication. But seriously - if you commit such time and money to the program, you really aren't bothered by wins and losses? If that is the case, you will never be critical of the team right? Because they're just kids playing to have fun and your happiness isn't impacted by what you watch? So we can play Thursday in STL every season, but all is well?

That seems a little off to me. I don't spend my time or money on things unless it matters to me personally. Just my two cents.

And - If the University didn't believe that Mens Basketball mattered, it would not pay 600K to the head coach of the program. Winning matters - plain and simple. Maybe not to you - but to me it does- and it should to a University who committed 600K to a man to coach each year for the next what 4 years?

I do get the satisfaction of watching the athletes both male and female get their degrees and move into adulthood. They are student athletes are all.


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Just go to graduation. Save time and money, and get the same satisfaction, multiplied many times over.

You really don't get it. We donate and attend games for different reasons.


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[jamminjamarsmiley]

“We are where we are because of the guys in that locker room and their unselfishness and ability to believe in one another and stay committed to their goals,” DeVries, who won a conference title in his first year as head coach, said. “These guys have been special all year and as a first-year head coach I’m blessed to have them.”

Quote taken from Drake-Mo St article after Drake won a share of league title.

This is ISUs problem. They don’t have any of this. They aren’t unselfish. They don’t believe in one another. And they don’t stay committed to their goals.

Only with one team has Muller been able to get the players to buy into a common goal.

He isn’t recruiting players who think way. And they don’t behave this way.

And if we lose to Drake on Friday it won’t be because they have better individual players. It will be because their individual players buy into a system that supports a common goal.

It all begins with the captain of the ship! The captain keeps the ship sailing! That’s why he is paid more than most in this community! He is suppose to generate revenue to the program! Contrary to some’s belief...winning is important!

Ultimately, one of Dan's biggest flaws is his inability to get the most out of his players in pursuit of the common goal. In my opinion Dan has ALWAYS had talent - the problem has been his ability to cultivate that talent and get the most out of it. I do not buy into the argument that this team is not as talented as we all think. BULLCRAP. After last season - most of us were drooling with the prospects of the roster coming back. I was one who thought this season was going to be special. The problem is that Dan is unable to get these players to be unselfish, just as DeVries hit on above. That does not JUST happen. Building a team who truly buys into accomplishing a goal is an art. It's not easy in any way shape or form in this day and age - however that is why a man get paid 600K, because he is supposed to have the ability to do so.

In his entire tenure this has been an issue. Think back to Tyler Brown, Johnny Hill, Hawkins, Lee (yes he wanted to leave), Bryant Allen, Lofton, MY. All these guys had issues with Dan. It's not good when your most talented guys don't want to play for their coach. Look at the best coaches in the country - the players will run through a wall for their coach - even if they are hard on them. I believe Dan is unable to build a TRUE relationship with his guys because of his own ego. He says the right things publicly, and tweets out cute stuff about his guys - but I get a sense in the locker room, it's not so pretty.

I am very impressed with DeVries and what he accomplished this season at Drake. He is the type of guy the MVC needs at the helm. What is his salary?

 

[gobirds85]

“We are where we are because of the guys in that locker room and their unselfishness and ability to believe in one another and stay committed to their goals,” DeVries, who won a conference title in his first year as head coach, said. “These guys have been special all year and as a first-year head coach I’m blessed to have them.”

Quote taken from Drake-Mo St article after Drake won a share of league title.

This is ISUs problem. They don’t have any of this. They aren’t unselfish. They don’t believe in one another. And they don’t stay committed to their goals.

Only with one team has Muller been able to get the players to buy into a common goal.

He isn’t recruiting players who think way. And they don’t behave this way.

And if we lose to Drake on Friday it won’t be because they have better individual players. It will be because their individual players buy into a system that supports a common goal.

It all begins with the captain of the ship! The captain keeps the ship sailing! That’s why he is paid more than most in this community! He is suppose to generate revenue to the program! Contrary to some’s belief...winning is important!

Ultimately, one of Dan's biggest flaws is his inability to get the most out of his players in pursuit of the common goal. In my opinion Dan has ALWAYS had talent - the problem has been his ability to cultivate that talent and get the most out of it. I do not buy into the argument that this team is not as talented as we all think. BULLCRAP. After last season - most of us were drooling with the prospects of the roster coming back. I was one who thought this season was going to be special. The problem is that Dan is unable to get these players to be unselfish, just as DeVries hit on above. That does not JUST happen. Building a team who truly buys into accomplishing a goal is an art. It's not easy in any way shape or form in this day and age - however that is why a man get paid 600K, because he is supposed to have the ability to do so.

In his entire tenure this has been an issue. Think back to Tyler Brown, Johnny Hill, Hawkins, Lee (yes he wanted to leave), Bryant Allen, Lofton, MY. All these guys had issues with Dan. It's not good when your most talented guys don't want to play for their coach. Look at the best coaches in the country - the players will run through a wall for their coach - even if they are hard on them. I believe Dan is unable to build a TRUE relationship with his guys because of his own ego. He says the right things publicly, and tweets out cute stuff about his guys - but I get a sense in the locker room, it's not so pretty.

I am very impressed with DeVries and what he accomplished this season at Drake. He is the type of guy the MVC needs at the helm. What is his salary?

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[WoodlandWarrior]

Embarrassing...unforeseen...disappointing...frustrating...unexpected...eye opening..sobering....inexcuseable.

The facts remain that many analysts had us challenging, if not beating Loyola for the top spot. Instead we became a Thursday play-in team. We were swept by Valpo and Bradley.

Even in accepting the coaching contract extension, we need a culture change and a complete overhaul of offensive and defensive schemes. Find a point guard, find a three point shooter, find an assistant coach who can teach how to defend the 3, and have some ball movement on offense. At this point I’d take Lincoln Railsplitter Coach Neil Alexander’s offensive strategy. That guy runs a successful program.

 

[stats]

In his entire tenure this has been an issue. Think back to Tyler Brown, Johnny Hill, Hawkins, Lee (yes he wanted to leave), Bryant Allen, Lofton, MY. All these guys had issues with Dan. It's not good when your most talented guys don't want to play for their coach. Look at the best coaches in the country - the players will run through a wall for their coach - even if they are hard on them.

As a coach wanting team leadership from your players, you have to be on the same page with your best player. Otherwise, it will not work. It doesn't matter how many seniors you have.

 

[ricohill]

“We are where we are because of the guys in that locker room and their unselfishness and ability to believe in one another and stay committed to their goals,” DeVries, who won a conference title in his first year as head coach, said. “These guys have been special all year and as a first-year head coach I’m blessed to have them.”

Quote taken from Drake-Mo St article after Drake won a share of league title.

This is ISUs problem. They don’t have any of this. They aren’t unselfish. They don’t believe in one another. And they don’t stay committed to their goals.

Only with one team has Muller been able to get the players to buy into a common goal.

He isn’t recruiting players who think way. And they don’t behave this way.

And if we lose to Drake on Friday it won’t be because they have better individual players. It will be because their individual players buy into a system that supports a common goal.

It all begins with the captain of the ship! The captain keeps the ship sailing! That’s why he is paid more than most in this community! He is suppose to generate revenue to the program! Contrary to some’s belief...winning is important!

Ultimately, one of Dan's biggest flaws is his inability to get the most out of his players in pursuit of the common goal. In my opinion Dan has ALWAYS had talent - the problem has been his ability to cultivate that talent and get the most out of it. I do not buy into the argument that this team is not as talented as we all think. BULLCRAP. After last season - most of us were drooling with the prospects of the roster coming back. I was one who thought this season was going to be special. The problem is that Dan is unable to get these players to be unselfish, just as DeVries hit on above. That does not JUST happen. Building a team who truly buys into accomplishing a goal is an art. It's not easy in any way shape or form in this day and age - however that is why a man get paid 600K, because he is supposed to have the ability to do so.

In his entire tenure this has been an issue. Think back to Tyler Brown, Johnny Hill, Hawkins, Lee (yes he wanted to leave), Bryant Allen, Lofton, MY. All these guys had issues with Dan. It's not good when your most talented guys don't want to play for their coach. Look at the best coaches in the country - the players will run through a wall for their coach - even if they are hard on them. I believe Dan is unable to build a TRUE relationship with his guys because of his own ego. He says the right things publicly, and tweets out cute stuff about his guys - but I get a sense in the locker room, it's not so pretty.

I am very impressed with DeVries and what he accomplished this season at Drake. He is the type of guy the MVC needs at the helm. What is his salary?

Dan gets away with a lot because he is a salesman in public and has an easy fan base to fool that he's a great person. Dan is about one thing and that is Dan. You wouldn't say it's "MY" team in every interview he does if he was about the team. He would say "we" or "us" once in a while.

Teams typically have the culture of their leader. Dan isn't the choir boy in practice and behind closed doors that people think. He's just good at hiding it.

He basically ran Paris Lee out of the program. I think that says a lot about what his leadership style is about.

 

[Bird Friend]

Wouldn't call myself a casual fan at all. We've had season tickets for 4 sports for a lot of years. We travel to away games and to arch madness. We just don't pin our happiness to the on court performance of a group of 19-22 year old basketball players.


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I salute you for your dedication. But seriously - if you commit such time and money to the program, you really aren't bothered by wins and losses? If that is the case, you will never be critical of the team right? Because they're just kids playing to have fun and your happiness isn't impacted by what you watch? So we can play Thursday in STL every season, but all is well?

That seems a little off to me. I don't spend my time or money on things unless it matters to me personally. Just my two cents.

And - If the University didn't believe that Mens Basketball mattered, it would not pay 600K to the head coach of the program. Winning matters - plain and simple. Maybe not to you - but to me it does- and it should to a University who committed 600K to a man to coach each year for the next what 4 years?

I do get the satisfaction of watching the athletes both male and female get their degrees and move into adulthood. They are student athletes are all.


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Entitled much?

 

[Bird Friend]

Team isn’t good. Muller is bad. I’m still going to St. Louis, I love basketball and I will root for ISU but it ain’t happening. Am I committed enough to complain about the coach for you Muller lovers?

Entitled much?

 

[Bird Friend]

ISU fired a Final 4 coach to get to this point. They obviously know what they are doing.

Get out of here. You were beating the fire Porter drum like everyone else. That is beyond unfair and shows that nothing short of a final four will make you happy, which of course is completely unrealistic. Three valley team since 1979 have done that.

Completely unrealistic, but 3 have done it. Great argument.

Show me my fire Porter posts. Didn’t think so.

I have stated my goal. Sweet 16. Get your facts straight.

Easy to claim when all that data was lost a couple years ago.

 

[Bird Friend]

Everyone agrees Dan isn't going anywhere. Feasibly not possible this or next year (at minimum). Why are people still making posts about it? I thought taking some time away would give everyone time to say their peace and accept the reality. Apparently not....

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