at Southern Illinois, 3/2, 1:00 PM, CBSSN

[ricohill]

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155983271118248&id=71768358247&_rdr

 

[HT59]

:text-+1:

Also when Dan leads us to the tourney. He will. Like you said we are stuck with him right? I don't want to hear about how any of you knew he could do it. Our how you are drinking the Kool aid again or anything. Just crawl back into the gutters you all crawled out of this season and let the really fans cheer on the team. I have seen too many of the fire Dan crowd disparage quality posters who have been here for years. I am fed up with it.

When we make it, I have the right to enjoy it just as much as any fan. Blind loyalty to all things Redbird doesn’t elevate anyone to a mythical
“real fan” status. We all have the right to be whatever fan we want to be. No fan is better than another fan just because one is critical at times.

 

[RedbirdFanatic32]

Everyone agrees Dan isn't going anywhere. Feasibly not possible this or next year (at minimum). Why are people still making posts about it? I thought taking some time away would give everyone time to say their peace and accept the reality. Apparently not....

 

[BirdGrad2011]

Everyone agrees Dan isn't going anywhere. Feasibly not possible this or next year (at minimum). Why are people still making posts about it? I thought taking some time away would give everyone time to say their peace and accept the reality. Apparently not....

Because people don’t have their heads in the sand and expect better. Your mindset is why our football program never elevated. Your mindset is why athletics never mattered.

 

[Birdman07]

Here is the problem.

Doing the same thing and expecting a different result is insanity. When the basic fundamentals and common sense basketball moves are not happening, then we have the right to express an opinion based on something besides kegs of kool aid. The status quo will win us nothing. Either Dan has to make significant changes in his approach or he has to be replaced. I prefer to have him improve, but it won’t happen on his own. We are in year 7 and we are seeing mistakes that were made in year one. We are a senior team this year and went 2-10 on the road, 2nd worst in the MVC. Our NET score is in the 180s - 8th in the MVC even with a good schedule, so we really didn’t stack up. We had a negative net margin on score for the season meaning our opponents out scored us on average by 2 pts per game. We lost 9 games (almost 1/3 of our games) by 11 or more points - as a senior team, meaning we were not in those games - we were either not prepared mentally or physically or both. These are facts not opinions.

Intangible opinions like our passing is horrible, our basketball IQ being barely elementary, or our ability to finish games nonexistent are opinions, but I think obvious even to the casual viewer.

Fix that and I am a Dan the Man guy. Another year of what we have been seeing and I will have to join the Dan the Dumbass club. No one is perfect, but we haven’t been exactly cutting down many nets around here.

Dan has been given the hometown love. He blew the only chance in 100 years to get the U of I in Redbird and we gave him slack, he goes to Wichita the year we win the conference and get beat by 40 - forty really?? - do Championship teams get beat by 40 anywhere...not to mention a 20 point loss in the Tournament title game. Be respectable in those losses and we go dancing and yet we didn’t call for his head.

Changing coaches or employees at the first sign of adversity is stupid and flat wrong. Giving Dan the tools to win and the time to build his program is our commitment. At some point you risk losing the trust of your boss or your customers when you don’t deliver, however you want to look at that. I think finishing 7th when we should have been 1st or 2nd qualifies as “losing the trust”. Two first year Head Coaches finished ahead of us.

What is the standard for this ISU Men’s B-ball program? If one regular season co-Championship in 21 years is it, then we should pat ourselves on the back. If it is something more than that - and every team in the MVC has gone dancing since we have - so apparently the MVC teams in our league have a higher standard - then we should expect corrective action and the freedom to point that out.

:text-+1:

 

[redbirds2000]

Everyone agrees Dan isn't going anywhere. Feasibly not possible this or next year (at minimum). Why are people still making posts about it? I thought taking some time away would give everyone time to say their peace and accept the reality. Apparently not....

Because people don’t have their heads in the sand and expect better. Your mindset is why our football program never elevated. Your mindset is why athletics never mattered.

Hey! Our football program has been to the playoffs the last...wait, nevermind.

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[RedbirdFanatic32]

Everyone agrees Dan isn't going anywhere. Feasibly not possible this or next year (at minimum). Why are people still making posts about it? I thought taking some time away would give everyone time to say their peace and accept the reality. Apparently not....

Because people don’t have their heads in the sand and expect better. Your mindset is why our football program never elevated. Your mindset is why athletics never mattered.

I'm not saying Dan shouldn't go. I'm saying that economically, it's not feasibly....What do you want to do in the present moment? Football or basketball?

 

[BirdGrad2011]

Everyone agrees Dan isn't going anywhere. Feasibly not possible this or next year (at minimum). Why are people still making posts about it? I thought taking some time away would give everyone time to say their peace and accept the reality. Apparently not....

Because people don’t have their heads in the sand and expect better. Your mindset is why our football program never elevated. Your mindset is why athletics never mattered.

I'm not saying Dan shouldn't go. I'm saying that economically, it's not feasibly....What do you want to do in the present moment? Football or basketball?

I want ISU to be competitive in everything. Academics, athletics, student life. Finishing as one of the worst 4 in the MVC is unacceptable. Especially in a year they were supposed to compete for a title. A 20 year drought is unacceptable. 7 years of mediocre is unacceptable.

 

[RedbirdFanatic32]

Everyone agrees Dan isn't going anywhere. Feasibly not possible this or next year (at minimum). Why are people still making posts about it? I thought taking some time away would give everyone time to say their peace and accept the reality. Apparently not....

Because people don’t have their heads in the sand and expect better. Your mindset is why our football program never elevated. Your mindset is why athletics never mattered.

Hey! Our football program has been to the playoffs the last...wait, nevermind.

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I mean, when I was a freshman at ISU, my highschool (Chillicothe) stadium could boast better than the ISU East side and Zoo (I was in the BRMM, and that thing felt like it was about to collapse when we jumped on it to hype up a 3rd down)....In my 4 years we had winning seasons in football, and went to the quarterfinals....We went to the Championship not much longer which was never done in the history of the school...I believe that's (by definition) an elevation...Since then, Spack hasn't equaled that success, so I think it's a fair topic to discuss whether or not he should stay.....But this is a basketball forum, so let's stick to Dan...He hasn't gotten us to the promised land, and he's had plenty of years to do so; so maybe he should go...Realistically speaking, it's just not going to happen in the next few years....So i don't see the point in posts about getting him out today or within the next 365 days.

 

[RedbirdFanatic32]

Because people don’t have their heads in the sand and expect better. Your mindset is why our football program never elevated. Your mindset is why athletics never mattered.

I'm not saying Dan shouldn't go. I'm saying that economically, it's not feasibly....What do you want to do in the present moment? Football or basketball?

I want ISU to be competitive in everything. Academics, athletics, student life. Finishing as one of the worst 4 in the MVC is unacceptable. Especially in a year they were supposed to compete for a title. A 20 year drought is unacceptable. 7 years of mediocre is unacceptable.

I agree!! My complaining posts on this site isn't going to change reality.....

 

[RedbirdMan]

Because people don’t have their heads in the sand and expect better. Your mindset is why our football program never elevated. Your mindset is why athletics never mattered.

Hey! Our football program has been to the playoffs the last...wait, nevermind.

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I mean, when I was a freshman at ISU, my highschool (Chillicothe) stadium could boast better than the ISU East side and Zoo (I was in the BRMM, and that thing felt like it was about to collapse when we jumped on it to hype up a 3rd down)....In my 4 years we had winning seasons in football, and went to the quarterfinals....We went to the Championship not much longer which was never done in the history of the school...I believe that's (by definition) an elevation...Since then, Spack hasn't equaled that success, so I think it's a fair topic to discuss whether or not he should stay.....But this is a basketball forum, so let's stick to Dan...He hasn't gotten us to the promised land, and he's had plenty of years to do so; so maybe he should go...Realistically speaking, it's just not going to happen in the next few years....So i don't see the point in posts about getting him out today or within the next 365 days.

Fire Muller

 

[RedbirdFanatic32]

Hey! Our football program has been to the playoffs the last...wait, nevermind.

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I mean, when I was a freshman at ISU, my highschool (Chillicothe) stadium could boast better than the ISU East side and Zoo (I was in the BRMM, and that thing felt like it was about to collapse when we jumped on it to hype up a 3rd down)....In my 4 years we had winning seasons in football, and went to the quarterfinals....We went to the Championship not much longer which was never done in the history of the school...I believe that's (by definition) an elevation...Since then, Spack hasn't equaled that success, so I think it's a fair topic to discuss whether or not he should stay.....But this is a basketball forum, so let's stick to Dan...He hasn't gotten us to the promised land, and he's had plenty of years to do so; so maybe he should go...Realistically speaking, it's just not going to happen in the next few years....So i don't see the point in posts about getting him out today or within the next 365 days.

Fire Muller

Cool. You write the check, and I won't resist it.

 

[RedbirdMan]

Team isn’t good. Muller is bad. I’m still going to St. Louis, I love basketball and I will root for ISU but it ain’t happening. Am I committed enough to complain about the coach for you Muller lovers?

 

[gobirds72]

Because people don’t have their heads in the sand and expect better. Your mindset is why our football program never elevated. Your mindset is why athletics never mattered.

Hey! Our football program has been to the playoffs the last...wait, nevermind.

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I mean, when I was a freshman at ISU, my highschool (Chillicothe) stadium could boast better than the ISU East side and Zoo (I was in the BRMM, and that thing felt like it was about to collapse when we jumped on it to hype up a 3rd down)....In my 4 years we had winning seasons in football, and went to the quarterfinals....We went to the Championship not much longer which was never done in the history of the school...I believe that's (by definition) an elevation...Since then, Spack hasn't equaled that success, so I think it's a fair topic to discuss whether or not he should stay.....But this is a basketball forum, so let's stick to Dan...He hasn't gotten us to the promised land, and he's had plenty of years to do so; so maybe he should go...Realistically speaking, it's just not going to happen in the next few years....So i don't see the point in posts about getting him out today or within the next 365 days.

When you return four seniors, and quite possibly 2 first team all conference players...and the best you can do is Thursday night...that’s telling me you are an under achiever. It starts with the players! But, who is the captain of the ship? The buck stops with Dan.

 

[BirdsEyeView]

Our offensive game plan and our set plays are not very good. The movement off the ball sucks.

No way in hell we win 4 straight unless NBA Jam "he's on fire" kicks in for Evans and/or Copeland.

No point in talking about Muller being fired or not until after we lose this weekend.

 

[Brick]

Is it possible that we just aren’t talented enough? We have TWO players that would start for anyone in the league. We have a senior that can sometimes shoot it but never measured up otherwise. I think some of the other posters are right on Key. He’s never been the same player since his injury late last year Simply not as quick as he once was. However these two kids are great citizens from all that I can tell. Sometimes players just aren’t as good as one hopes but they have become fine young men and represented the university well esp considering the adversity. I still have hope for Copeland and Chastain. They have athletic ability. In another two years Rey will be a load. JJ can stroke it which is always nice to have. I don’t have a clue as to what is sitting out But ultimately I think we just didn’t have the quality depth to be a really good team. Hein is a nice kid, plays hard but when he’s the first player off the bench that tells you all you need to know about depth. Dan probably overrated his talent and when added to the injuries to Bruno and JJ we simply were just an average team. I hope they win a couple of games at the arch and then it’s time to move on

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

Look, I'm a fan win or lose. I don't pin my happiness to whether ISU wins or not. I celebrate the wins and I am disappointed in the losses but I get over it quickly.

If you think these players don't care and the coaches don't care, you aren't paying attention.

Just sick of the bitching and fire Muller crap.


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No issue with how you internally handle ISU wins or losses. Would think you're in the majority of casual fans. You could probably teach me a thing or two in coping with defeat.

Have people questioned if the players or team care? I havent read every post out here, maybe so. I do not question that. They care - they have all dedicated their lives to the sport. That is the same for all college players and coaches - you dont get to that level if you dont take it seriously.

The issue isnt caring - it's winning. That is what I am upset about.

And I can tell you I am paying attention. I have paid attention to ISU basketball my entire life. And I cannot say there have been many more seasons as disappointing as this one. One that comes to mind is Bryson's senior year - but for different reason - injury.

In the down years (Moser/Richardson) we had a pretty good idea it was going to be ugly. This year our fearless leader confidently predicted the team to finish 1st (this has been well documented today). Combined with the decline of the MVC, it's understandable that many posting in this forum would be "bitching" and making "fire muller" statements. This is actually pretty mild compared to the criticism Dan would receive if he coached at a high-major program.

With that being said - we can hope for a miracle 4 game run in STL to get back to the NCAA's, but I wouldnt put any money on it.

Wouldn't call myself a casual fan at all. We've had season tickets for 4 sports for a lot of years. We travel to away games and to arch madness. We just don't pin our happiness to the on court performance of a group of 19-22 year old basketball players.


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I salute you for your dedication. But seriously - if you commit such time and money to the program, you really aren't bothered by wins and losses? If that is the case, you will never be critical of the team right? Because they're just kids playing to have fun and your happiness isn't impacted by what you watch? So we can play Thursday in STL every season, but all is well?

That seems a little off to me. I don't spend my time or money on things unless it matters to me personally. Just my two cents.

And - If the University didn't believe that Mens Basketball mattered, it would not pay 600K to the head coach of the program. Winning matters - plain and simple. Maybe not to you - but to me it does- and it should to a University who committed 600K to a man to coach each year for the next what 4 years?

 

[Tpguy]

hire Jank

 

[Morans14]

No issue with how you internally handle ISU wins or losses. Would think you're in the majority of casual fans. You could probably teach me a thing or two in coping with defeat.

Have people questioned if the players or team care? I havent read every post out here, maybe so. I do not question that. They care - they have all dedicated their lives to the sport. That is the same for all college players and coaches - you dont get to that level if you dont take it seriously.

The issue isnt caring - it's winning. That is what I am upset about.

And I can tell you I am paying attention. I have paid attention to ISU basketball my entire life. And I cannot say there have been many more seasons as disappointing as this one. One that comes to mind is Bryson's senior year - but for different reason - injury.

In the down years (Moser/Richardson) we had a pretty good idea it was going to be ugly. This year our fearless leader confidently predicted the team to finish 1st (this has been well documented today). Combined with the decline of the MVC, it's understandable that many posting in this forum would be "bitching" and making "fire muller" statements. This is actually pretty mild compared to the criticism Dan would receive if he coached at a high-major program.

With that being said - we can hope for a miracle 4 game run in STL to get back to the NCAA's, but I wouldnt put any money on it.

Wouldn't call myself a casual fan at all. We've had season tickets for 4 sports for a lot of years. We travel to away games and to arch madness. We just don't pin our happiness to the on court performance of a group of 19-22 year old basketball players.


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I salute you for your dedication. But seriously - if you commit such time and money to the program, you really aren't bothered by wins and losses? If that is the case, you will never be critical of the team right? Because they're just kids playing to have fun and your happiness isn't impacted by what you watch? So we can play Thursday in STL every season, but all is well?

That seems a little off to me. I don't spend my time or money on things unless it matters to me personally. Just my two cents.

And - If the University didn't believe that Mens Basketball mattered, it would not pay 600K to the head coach of the program. Winning matters - plain and simple. Maybe not to you - but to me it does- and it should to a University who committed 600K to a man to coach each year for the next what 4 years?

I do get the satisfaction of watching the athletes both male and female get their degrees and move into adulthood. They are student athletes are all.


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[ricohill]

Wouldn't call myself a casual fan at all. We've had season tickets for 4 sports for a lot of years. We travel to away games and to arch madness. We just don't pin our happiness to the on court performance of a group of 19-22 year old basketball players.


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I salute you for your dedication. But seriously - if you commit such time and money to the program, you really aren't bothered by wins and losses? If that is the case, you will never be critical of the team right? Because they're just kids playing to have fun and your happiness isn't impacted by what you watch? So we can play Thursday in STL every season, but all is well?

That seems a little off to me. I don't spend my time or money on things unless it matters to me personally. Just my two cents.

And - If the University didn't believe that Mens Basketball mattered, it would not pay 600K to the head coach of the program. Winning matters - plain and simple. Maybe not to you - but to me it does- and it should to a University who committed 600K to a man to coach each year for the next what 4 years?

I do get the satisfaction of watching the athletes both male and female get their degrees and move into adulthood. They are student athletes are all.


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There are like 3 schools in the NCAA with failing APR scores. Every school now graduates their players. Graduation is a scam now with the NCAA. They get a scholarship and a stipend to play basketball here. If winning isn’t important they should just drop down to D3 or only have intramurals.