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[Bird Friend]

“We are where we are because of the guys in that locker room and their unselfishness and ability to believe in one another and stay committed to their goals,” DeVries, who won a conference title in his first year as head coach, said. “These guys have been special all year and as a first-year head coach I’m blessed to have them.”

Quote taken from Drake-Mo St article after Drake won a share of league title.

This is ISUs problem. They don’t have any of this. They aren’t unselfish. They don’t believe in one another. And they don’t stay committed to their goals.

Only with one team has Muller been able to get the players to buy into a common goal.

He isn’t recruiting players who think way. And they don’t behave this way.

And if we lose to Drake on Friday it won’t be because they have better individual players. It will be because their individual players buy into a system that supports a common goal.

I would say Dan’s second year also had a team that was unselfish and totally team oriented. They just had zero experience and limited talent, and only two players above 6’4”.

And I still suggest that was his best year coaching.

 

[Morans14]

I salute you for your dedication. But seriously - if you commit such time and money to the program, you really aren't bothered by wins and losses? If that is the case, you will never be critical of the team right? Because they're just kids playing to have fun and your happiness isn't impacted by what you watch? So we can play Thursday in STL every season, but all is well?

That seems a little off to me. I don't spend my time or money on things unless it matters to me personally. Just my two cents.

And - If the University didn't believe that Mens Basketball mattered, it would not pay 600K to the head coach of the program. Winning matters - plain and simple. Maybe not to you - but to me it does- and it should to a University who committed 600K to a man to coach each year for the next what 4 years?

I do get the satisfaction of watching the athletes both male and female get their degrees and move into adulthood. They are student athletes are all.


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Entitled much?

??


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[ISU FAN 1]

I do get the satisfaction of watching the athletes both male and female get their degrees and move into adulthood. They are student athletes are all.


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Entitled much?

??


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Somebody doesn’t know what entitled means, and I’m not ruling out that it’s me. But I don’t get it either.

 

[Bird Friend]

I do get the satisfaction of watching the athletes both male and female get their degrees and move into adulthood. They are student athletes are all.


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Entitled much?

??

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I am very sorry, Morans, I misread your post. I read it as "you don't get satisfaction" . . .

 

[Morans14]

Entitled much?

??

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I am very sorry, Morans, I misread your post. I read it as "you don't get satisfaction" . . .

No worries


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[JHBird]

Also this wasn’t just a down year. Last year was an expected down year after 17-1 and losing Lee, MM, and Hawkins. This was a year we expected to dance. This was a complete and total failure.

Yeah, this was supposed to be a peak year. Completely underwhelming with the senior talent on board. And then you take into account the poor quality in the valley this year, and we're playing on Thursday night? Something's wrong with the ship. Maybe we need a change or two with his assistant coaches? Who teaches these players to shoot? They were pathetic outside the arc this year. That was our biggest downfall to me.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

Also this wasn’t just a down year. Last year was an expected down year after 17-1 and losing Lee, MM, and Hawkins. This was a year we expected to dance. This was a complete and total failure.

Yeah, this was supposed to be a peak year. Completely underwhelming with the senior talent on board. And then you take into account the poor quality in the valley this year, and we're playing on Thursday night? Something's wrong with the ship. Maybe we need a change or two with his assistant coaches? Who teaches these players to shoot? They were pathetic outside the arc this year. That was our biggest downfall to me.

I don’t feel like guys should need to be taught to shoot at the D1 level. Certainly, in the 10-12 years of organized pre college basketball, they’ve received instruction. Certainly Dan is recruiting players he believes either shoot it well or have good mechanics. Altering someone’s shot at that point is a recipe for failure, IMO.

 

[CaliRdBrd]

Also this wasn’t just a down year. Last year was an expected down year after 17-1 and losing Lee, MM, and Hawkins. This was a year we expected to dance. This was a complete and total failure.

Yeah, this was supposed to be a peak year. Completely underwhelming with the senior talent on board. And then you take into account the poor quality in the valley this year, and we're playing on Thursday night? Something's wrong with the ship. Maybe we need a change or two with his assistant coaches? Who teaches these players to shoot? They were pathetic outside the arc this year. That was our biggest downfall to me.

This to me is the crux of the issue. You all were duped into believing this was a talented group.
Nothing I saw last year led me to believe this team would win more than 21 games (even 21 is a reach for this group).
Maybe, going forward, don’t gulp the Kool aid. Better to wait and see what we actually have instead of buying into the hype.

 

[JHBird]

Also this wasn’t just a down year. Last year was an expected down year after 17-1 and losing Lee, MM, and Hawkins. This was a year we expected to dance. This was a complete and total failure.

Yeah, this was supposed to be a peak year. Completely underwhelming with the senior talent on board. And then you take into account the poor quality in the valley this year, and we're playing on Thursday night? Something's wrong with the ship. Maybe we need a change or two with his assistant coaches? Who teaches these players to shoot? They were pathetic outside the arc this year. That was our biggest downfall to me.

I don’t feel like guys should need to be taught to shoot at the D1 level. Certainly, in the 10-12 years of organized pre college basketball, they’ve received instruction. Certainly Dan is recruiting players he believes either shoot it well or have good mechanics. Altering someone’s shot at that point is a recipe for failure, IMO.

As far as shooting, I think they need the equivalent of a baseball's hitting coach. Who was there to help Copeland and Keyshawn get out of their shooting rut? Both of those guys knew how to shoot, but something happened and nobody could fix it. I agree they can't be taught at this point to be good shooters, but they were good shooters coming in. Another thought is how did Paris improve so much shooting wise in his last year? I'd loved to know how he did it.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

Also this wasn’t just a down year. Last year was an expected down year after 17-1 and losing Lee, MM, and Hawkins. This was a year we expected to dance. This was a complete and total failure.

Yeah, this was supposed to be a peak year. Completely underwhelming with the senior talent on board. And then you take into account the poor quality in the valley this year, and we're playing on Thursday night? Something's wrong with the ship. Maybe we need a change or two with his assistant coaches? Who teaches these players to shoot? They were pathetic outside the arc this year. That was our biggest downfall to me.

This to me is the crux of the issue. You all were duped into believing this was a talented group.
Nothing I saw last year led me to believe this team would win more than 21 games (even 21 is a reach for this group).
Maybe, going forward, don’t gulp the Kool aid. Better to wait and see what we actually have instead of buying into the hype.

ISU has 2 really talented for the MVC type players. MY can be inconsistent; both MY and Phil can take themselves out of games with stupid fouls. The rest of the roster is decidedly meh. Either a shell of their former selves (Evans), underachieving our expectations (Copeland, Tinsley) or awaiting a breakout (Chastain, Rey). At least we had a Big 3 with Keyshawn last year. It’s ususlly the 3-7 spots on Dan’s rosters that kill us. We always like to think we are going to be deep, but it rarely turns into reality.

 

[Redbird28]

“We are where we are because of the guys in that locker room and their unselfishness and ability to believe in one another and stay committed to their goals,” DeVries, who won a conference title in his first year as head coach, said. “These guys have been special all year and as a first-year head coach I’m blessed to have them.”

Quote taken from Drake-Mo St article after Drake won a share of league title.

This is ISUs problem. They don’t have any of this. They aren’t unselfish. They don’t believe in one another. And they don’t stay committed to their goals.

Only with one team has Muller been able to get the players to buy into a common goal.

He isn’t recruiting players who think way. And they don’t behave this way.

And if we lose to Drake on Friday it won’t be because they have better individual players. It will be because their individual players buy into a system that supports a common goal.

Yes, Drake's unselfishness, and togetherness has been so wonderful that they got beat, not once, but twice, by our under-performing group this season. This is the same "selfish" group who just so happened to drop to a 7th seed partially because of 2 half court buzzer beaters, one of which should not have counted due to a double dribble and travel before it was ever hoisted.

Bring on Evansville. It's the only game that matters now.

If we win that, then we can worry about the "individual players that buy in to a system that supports a common goal" that got beat by 14 points and 7 points by this group of "selfish, uncommitted players that do not believe in one another." What a joke.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

Yeah, this was supposed to be a peak year. Completely underwhelming with the senior talent on board. And then you take into account the poor quality in the valley this year, and we're playing on Thursday night? Something's wrong with the ship. Maybe we need a change or two with his assistant coaches? Who teaches these players to shoot? They were pathetic outside the arc this year. That was our biggest downfall to me.

I don’t feel like guys should need to be taught to shoot at the D1 level. Certainly, in the 10-12 years of organized pre college basketball, they’ve received instruction. Certainly Dan is recruiting players he believes either shoot it well or have good mechanics. Altering someone’s shot at that point is a recipe for failure, IMO.

As far as shooting, I think they need the equivalent of a baseball's hitting coach. Who was there to help Copeland and Keyshawn get out of their shooting rut? Both of those guys knew how to shoot, but something happened and nobody could fix it. I agree they can't be taught at this point to be good shooters, but they were good shooters coming in. Another thought is how did Paris improve so much shooting wise in his last year? I'd loved to know how he did it.

Or maybe someone tried to fix them, and this is the result. Coaches can get in a kid’s head, and do more damage than good sometimes.

The shot doctor was supposedly Richardson. Want him back?

 

[ISU FAN 1]

“We are where we are because of the guys in that locker room and their unselfishness and ability to believe in one another and stay committed to their goals,” DeVries, who won a conference title in his first year as head coach, said. “These guys have been special all year and as a first-year head coach I’m blessed to have them.”

Quote taken from Drake-Mo St article after Drake won a share of league title.

This is ISUs problem. They don’t have any of this. They aren’t unselfish. They don’t believe in one another. And they don’t stay committed to their goals.

Only with one team has Muller been able to get the players to buy into a common goal.

He isn’t recruiting players who think way. And they don’t behave this way.

And if we lose to Drake on Friday it won’t be because they have better individual players. It will be because their individual players buy into a system that supports a common goal.

Yes, Drake's unselfishness, and togetherness has been so wonderful that they got beat, not once, but twice, by our under-performing group this season. This is the same "selfish" group who just so happened to drop to a 7th seed partially because of 2 half court buzzer beaters, one of which should not have counted due to a double dribble and travel before it was ever hoisted.

Bring on Evansville. It's the only game that matters now.

If we win that, then we can worry about the "individual players that buy in to a system that supports a common goal" that got beat by 14 points and 7 points by this group of "selfish, uncommitted players that do not believe in one another." What a joke.

If we show up and compete like the last 3 games, I’ll live with whatever the results are. If we are mental midgets, I reserve the right to be pissed.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

I have a hard time comprehending the blind support for such an inferior product. This isn’t your kids’ YMCA. This is friggin’ D1 basketball. Win or make changes.
#wedeservebetter!!

The fan base is as soft as this current team (except for Fayne). Drake has already and Loyola is about to win their 3rd MVC championships since 1998. We have one weak co-championship. The problem is our leadership at the University doesn’t care. It’s nice when we win, but losing is acceptable.

Are we as soft as NBA players that are unhappy and mentally traumatized by social media?

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-commissioner-adam-silver-on-mental-health-of-league-a-lot-of-players-are-unhappy/

 

[Red Rocker]

Our biggest downfall wasn’t that we were bad shooting from behind the 3 pt Arc, it was that we still kept taking more and more 3s. It’s a proving fact that 3point shooting for all teams is worse on the road. I find it more than a coincidence that we were 2-10 on the road.