24 Hrs Later

[Bird Friend]

I think a reasonable ceiling goal for a mid major like ISU is a Sweet 16. I think we need at least 7 legit D1 players to get there. Some on this board seem to think a player’s senior year is the only one we should expect a payoff. That’s likely never going to happen, having 7 stud seniors. So we need underclassmen participation. After the 7 legits, that leaves 6 spots for projects, unknowns, and busts. This roster is overstocked in those categories, and don’t think Dan would deny this is one of his weaker rosters. We need projects to develop, unknowns to emerge, busts to be purged, and fill those holes based on obvious needs. Like point guard. We have 3 legits, and Tinsley is knocking on the door. Not sure who the other 3 are, or if they are even on the roster. But Dan needs to invert the roster that is too bottom heavy on projects.

Just because someone said that players need time to develop doesn't mean anyone suggested we can only expect a payoff from seniors. Your post lost all credibility with that "assumption" . . .

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

You hit the nail on the head. Muller has recruited a very inconsistent roster outside of 3 players. Now Chastain is the next big time player. I hope he is. With Mullers track record, only one thing is certain...and that's 2-3 players should be leaving the program. I don't care that someone leaves...as long as we continue to improve.

Agree the key is to improve the roster via adding more than is leaving for whatever reason. As stated previously if ISU has 2 players transfer this year that is the average for Div1. We should all expect some transfers (2) to be the norm and not an alarm unless ISU is averaging significantly more transfers than the norm over an extended period of time. Transfer bug is biting everyone...I am hearing of a likely Big Ten graduate transfer (if he does not make the NBA) that is going to rock the alumni egos big time when/if it happens.

The difference with transfers from P5 schools is those dudes are pretty much end-of-the-bench guys that will not see the floor.
The players that mid-majors are losing are starters that go to P5 programs to increase their visibility.
It’s simply not the same argument.

Not this particular P5 player and I only referenced him is to point out that transfers are happening at every level and that ISU losing talented graduate transfers is not unique.

 

[StLRedbird]

Just checking in from the football board... Dayum. That's all. Just dayam. Checking out now...

 

[Chi-bird]

We need better players.....but if we miss on some, we need to be honorable and give them the scholly for as long as they are good teammates and students.

You don't build a program by creating a culture of what have you done for me lately amongst your players. The fact that some on here are openly hoping for certain players to not be asked back is just plain wrong. If college athletics ever turns into that, then you can have it.

 

[Hamdonger]

I don’t think that counts for much.

Now if Porter Moser came on... different story. But fact remains he may be a bench upgrade... but that’s it. He’s not a starter and will not elevate us enough to get to the NCAA.

Now I’m not saying we won’t get there next year, maybe Copeland is the real deal and his 3pt shooting with MYs passing and driving ability will be enough but I still think we need a PG

Copeland handled the ball primarily at 'Frisco. Stating the obvious - Copeland and Evans will be our starting guards.

I hope you’re right. I want us to punch our NCAA ticket ASAP! But I believe we need a true PG. From the numbers it looks like Copeland might be better at the 2.

IMO Key is more of a 2, even though he's only a 6 footer...and Copeland's got a better handle in traffic and getting to the bucket. Regardless our guard situation looks way better with Copeland and Key. JMO.

 

[Hamdonger]

I think a reasonable ceiling goal for a mid major like ISU is a Sweet 16. I think we need at least 7 legit D1 players to get there. We have 3 legits, and Tinsley is knocking on the door.

You're questioning Tinsley as a legitimate D1 prospect? He sure as hek looked like one to me last 10 games and all season long he was one of our best defensive rebounders. Man, we have 7!

*Big3.
*TinMan.
*Copeland. (100 3's plus got to the line almost 200 times - JC player of the year in tiny little California)
*Chastain. (How can he NOT be?? He was heavily recruited and signed to a full ride by a team that is dancing this year) (I don't believe he'll be anywhere close to a star for us but he will contribute) (prove me wrong, Matt!!)
*Romine. (Preseason, he was pegged as a solid starter) (of course, only if he's healthy body mind spirit)

Our fill-ins are guys that ALL got minutes, minus Clarence.
Williams.
Gassman. (hit 44 buckets this year and quite a few BIG 3's. That's about 40 more buckets than I thought he'd make) (He's carved himself a niche on this team, averaged almost a 3-pt'er every game with very few turnovers)
Hein (not a legit D1 guy in my mind) (still love The Prez, though)
David. Legit. Any Valley team would have him TODAY. Granted, he's no star.
Bruninga. Absolutely believe he is.
Clarence. I don't know.

Rey. D1 body for sure. D1 play? No idea. Anyone seen him play??

 

[Hamdonger]

Big assumption that everyone's coming back or making it back, though.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

I think a reasonable ceiling goal for a mid major like ISU is a Sweet 16. I think we need at least 7 legit D1 players to get there. Some on this board seem to think a player’s senior year is the only one we should expect a payoff. That’s likely never going to happen, having 7 stud seniors. So we need underclassmen participation. After the 7 legits, that leaves 6 spots for projects, unknowns, and busts. This roster is overstocked in those categories, and don’t think Dan would deny this is one of his weaker rosters. We need projects to develop, unknowns to emerge, busts to be purged, and fill those holes based on obvious needs. Like point guard. We have 3 legits, and Tinsley is knocking on the door. Not sure who the other 3 are, or if they are even on the roster. But Dan needs to invert the roster that is too bottom heavy on projects.

Just because someone said that players need time to develop doesn't mean anyone suggested we can only expect a payoff from seniors. Your post lost all credibility with that "assumption" . . .

DAMN ... that's the payoff I was going for .... registering on your credibility meter. LOL

 

[ISU FAN 1]

I think a reasonable ceiling goal for a mid major like ISU is a Sweet 16. I think we need at least 7 legit D1 players to get there. We have 3 legits, and Tinsley is knocking on the door.

You're questioning Tinsley as a legitimate D1 prospect? He sure as hek looked like one to me last 10 games and all season long he was one of our best defensive rebounders. Man, we have 7!

*Big3.
*TinMan.
*Copeland. (100 3's plus got to the line almost 200 times - JC player of the year in tiny little California)
*Chastain. (How can he NOT be?? He was heavily recruited and signed to a full ride by a team that is dancing this year) (I don't believe he'll be anywhere close to a star for us but he will contribute) (prove me wrong, Matt!!)
*Romine. (Preseason, he was pegged as a solid starter) (of course, only if he's healthy body mind spirit)

Our fill-ins are guys that ALL got minutes, minus Clarence.
Williams.
Gassman. (hit 44 buckets this year and quite a few BIG 3's. That's about 40 more buckets than I thought he'd make) (He's carved himself a niche on this team, averaged almost a 3-pt'er every game with very few turnovers)
Hein (not a legit D1 guy in my mind) (still love The Prez, though)
David. Legit. Any Valley team would have him TODAY. Granted, he's no star.
Bruninga. Absolutely believe he is.
Clarence. I don't know.

Rey. D1 body for sure. D1 play? No idea. Anyone seen him play??

Not questioning Tinsley so much as just acknowledging the smaller production sample size and compared to the Big 3. I'm all for February-March Tinsley showing up for the full campaign next season.

I have Copeland, Chastain, and Romine in the unknowns category, since they haven't played a minute here yet. YES, PLEASE EMERGE .... ALL 3. I'm hopeful, just have no idea yet if they can be 5, 6, and 7 until I see it on the court. Even then, we need the right pieces, and that group doesn't have a point guard that gets ISU to a Sweet 16 IMO.

 

[isuquinndog]

I'd just like to say, since V Boy is putting out fake stats that our audience is bigger than 250. In the last month, we have averaged around 800 unique users a day and have had 7,119 unique people visit at least one time over that month. I didn't get analytics working on the new site until the last two months.

Those 800 users visited an average of 284k pages over that month.

Just sayin'.

 

[SgtHulka]

I'd just like to say, since V Boy is putting out fake stats that our audience is bigger than 250. In the last month, we have averaged around 800 unique users a day and have had 7,119 unique people visit at least one time over that month. I didn't get analytics working on the new site until the last two months.

Those 800 users visited an average of 284k pages over that month.

Just sayin'.

Sorry quinn, but I read here it's only 250 so I'm going with facts.

 

[Hamdonger]

I think a reasonable ceiling goal for a mid major like ISU is a Sweet 16. I think we need at least 7 legit D1 players to get there. We have 3 legits, and Tinsley is knocking on the door.

You're questioning Tinsley as a legitimate D1 prospect? He sure as hek looked like one to me last 10 games and all season long he was one of our best defensive rebounders. Man, we have 7!

*Big3.
*TinMan.
*Copeland. (100 3's plus got to the line almost 200 times - JC player of the year in tiny little California)
*Chastain. (How can he NOT be?? He was heavily recruited and signed to a full ride by a team that is dancing this year) (I don't believe he'll be anywhere close to a star for us but he will contribute) (prove me wrong, Matt!!)
*Romine. (Preseason, he was pegged as a solid starter) (of course, only if he's healthy body mind spirit)

Our fill-ins are guys that ALL got minutes, minus Clarence.
Williams.
Gassman. (hit 44 buckets this year and quite a few BIG 3's. That's about 40 more buckets than I thought he'd make) (He's carved himself a niche on this team, averaged almost a 3-pt'er every game with very few turnovers)
Hein (not a legit D1 guy in my mind) (still love The Prez, though)
David. Legit. Any Valley team would have him TODAY. Granted, he's no star.
Bruninga. Absolutely believe he is.
Clarence. I don't know.

Rey. D1 body for sure. D1 play? No idea. Anyone seen him play??

Not questioning Tinsley so much as just acknowledging the smaller production sample size and compared to the Big 3. I'm all for February-March Tinsley showing up for the full campaign next season.

I have Copeland, Chastain, and Romine in the unknowns category, since they haven't played a minute here yet. YES, PLEASE EMERGE .... ALL 3. I'm hopeful, just have no idea yet if they can be 5, 6, and 7 until I see it on the court. Even then, we need the right pieces, and that group doesn't have a point guard that gets ISU to a Sweet 16 IMO.

Fair enough. I believe that Copeland will be our point man.

 

[MJ_Durk]

Has anything about Romine proved he will be an impact? I was skeptical of him out of high school, and then even more once he transferred from UTEP. Muller even said he was available to play most of conference play, and didn't show he deserved to

 

[birdballfan]

Has anything about Romine proved he will be an impact? I was skeptical of him out of high school, and then even more once he transferred from UTEP. Muller even said he was available to play most of conference play, and didn't show he deserved to

Better question, will he even be here?????

 

[SgtHulka]

http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/basketball/men/kindred-same-situation-big-difference-for-hein/article_a6fbbd8e-034b-5c06-9f37-4f9333de8941.html

 

[Redbirdwarrior]

Ya know, I really didn't mean for this to become a conversation about if you guys think the program is evolving in a good way or not (I simply don't understand the logic that you guys who say it isn't point WAY upwards at least for the next season).

I just wanted everyone to sit back and breathe and realize that this team overachieved like crazy this year and we should be proud of them, but also wanted to give some constructive criticism about what we can't afford to see next year (breaking school records for turnovers, for example).

You all don't need to go all in firing off on other posters. Focus on the program and what you are excited about. If you are excited about nothing next season, I encourage you to perhaps jump on the Loyola bandwagon now before it fills up Sunday.

 

[Bird Friend]

Ya know, I really didn't mean for this to become a conversation about if you guys think the program is evolving in a good way or not (I simply don't understand the logic that you guys who say it isn't point WAY upwards at least for the next season).

I just wanted everyone to sit back and breathe and realize that this team overachieved like crazy this year and we should be proud of them, but also wanted to give some constructive criticism about what we can't afford to see next year (breaking school records for turnovers, for example).

You all don't need to go all in firing off on other posters. Focus on the program and what you are excited about. If you are excited about nothing next season, I encourage you to perhaps jump on the Loyola bandwagon now before it fills up Sunday.

Oh, sure, now you tell us!

 

[JHBird]

I'd just like to say, since V Boy is putting out fake stats that our audience is bigger than 250. In the last month, we have averaged around 800 unique users a day and have had 7,119 unique people visit at least one time over that month. I didn't get analytics working on the new site until the last two months.

Those 800 users visited an average of 284k pages over that month.

Just sayin'.

I wonder how many of those 800 users actual post? Seems like a lot of people just like to read and stay silent.

 

[bb fan]

VBoy thinks this site only has 250 people? I have never seen any specific traffic numbers, but my experience managing and moderating boards tells me it's way, way more than that. Thanks providing the numbers, Quinnie. And VBoy told me my problem is I care who reads the board. Sites like this get a lot of views from family and friends of players and coaches. And lots of views from potential recruits and families. So folks, we all should care. We all should think about what we post. When somebody makes up stuff like a player was "let go" from another program. Or a player is a "wasted scholarship", or worse I don't want to mention, It reflects poorly on the program. Being unfairly and constantly negative just to be negative reflects poorly in the program. You don't have to be a cheerleader, just fair and respectful.

 

[Redbirdwarrior]

While I agree that the constantly negative posters do nothing to help the program (seriously, you guys are really hurting the program because, again, parents, prospects, decision makers AND donors read this forum and, like it or not, do have opinions skewed on what is posted), I do think a certain level of constructive negativity is fair. But putting forth blatantly false information on our players then doubling down on that is not a good play.