Zion Williamson just changed everything for everyone

[bombay]

BTW, since we're off topic anyway... bob kraft - from deflategate to fellategate.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

BTW, since we're off topic anyway... bob kraft - from deflategate to fellategate.

Tailgate

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

So you all advocate him to sit on a couch until the NBA draft?

In order to prepare for the draft hes going to ... workout - play basketball etc. He can get hurt doing all of those.

He's going to play when healthy, and it's the right choice... His knee injury has been compared to a sprained ankle. Worst case - torn ACL... Bet hes still a top 5 pick at worst, possibly #1 pick.

Shoe deal / endorsement deals... He's not going to have any sort of financial burden

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

Let me start by saying this.

I love Zion Williamson. He is a LeBron/Shaq/Pippen hybrid that is what a scientist would put together if they could grow a perfect basketball player in a lab in 2019. Further, he just loves the game.

As we all saw, the kid was too athletic for his Nikes the other day and tweaked his knee.

That was all ammo the NBA needed to formally propose lowering the draft age to 18 again. Honestly, I think it is a compelling argument to say in an age where first year pro athletes are making 8 digits a year to start with, the concept of requiring college (and jeopardizing that paycheck in the process) is getting further and further away from the best interest of the player. Players are now sitting out major bowl games on the football side and Zion is reportedly leaning toward not playing the ACC or NCAA tournaments (the exact reason Duke recruited him) out of protecting his draft stock.

Let's assume that the NBA drops the age back to 18 and tells the NCAA to go kick rocks.

A- How can the NCAA adjust amateurism rules to give a shot to those 18 year old kids who declare, hire an agent and end up not getting to an NBA roster a shot (and should a path like this exist?).

B- How does this effect mid major basketball?

C- Does this go beyond basketball into football in time?

Also - You note Zion has reportedly leaned towards sitting out.... I have not see this report anywhere.

And Andy Katz interviewed him, and Zion stated even if the NBA allowed him to go straight from HS - He would still have attended College.

Yeah - for like .000001% of NCAA athletes, you can argue they get nothing, but bring in a TON of money. True - But, what about the guys who sit at the end of a bench on a full scholarship?

Football is a whole different story - 4 teams have a national title shot. Plus its obviously much more violent. I don't see basketball turning into Football at ALL.

I'd like to hear one and done players who played in college and sustained an injury that hurt their draft stock? I am having a hard time thinking of any.

 

[redbirds2000]

So you all advocate him to sit on a couch until the NBA draft?

In order to prepare for the draft hes going to ... workout - play basketball etc. He can get hurt doing all of those.

He's going to play when healthy, and it's the right choice... His knee injury has been compared to a sprained ankle. Worst case - torn ACL... Bet hes still a top 5 pick at worst, possibly #1 pick.

Shoe deal / endorsement deals... He's not going to have any sort of financial burden

Prepare for the draft?? He can ride a bike to stay in shape. He doesn't need to shoot another shot or work out to go #1. Let's say he comes back for Duke and has a Shawn Livingston injury. Now what?

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[bombay]

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[stats]

I put the blame on the NBA. Having guys like Zion Williamson, Ben Simmons and Anthony Davis play a year in college is great exposure and advertising for marketing these guys that will be in the NBA. I know they have the G-League, but I would like to see each NBA have their own farm system(s) similar to baseball.

 

[gobirds72]

I’m all for these kids doing what’s best for them and their families.
Screw the NCAA.

I agree. Why us it ok for the NCAA to make money? This will free up scholarship money to the kids that truly want to learn. I’m not sure what this does to recruiting. I’m sure there will be a few more 3-5 ️ Recruits that will not be available to the mid majors because of the bench openings of the kids deciding to opt for the NBA.

 

[Redbirdwarrior]

I put the blame on the NBA. Having guys like Zion Williamson, Ben Simmons and Anthony Davis play a year in college is great exposure and advertising for marketing these guys that will be in the NBA. I know they have the G-League, but I would like to see each NBA have their own farm system(s) similar to baseball.

Let's be honest, Williamson, Simmons and Davis (along with about 35 other NBA players) were going top 10 at age 19 out of Kentucky or age 17 out of St. Ambrose High. For players at that level, they aren't getting any better exposure in college than they already had to NBA scouts. At best, they are confirming what scouts already knew or under performing in those expectations.

College is perfect for players like McIntosh, DAP, Patrick O'Bryant and other players who have big upsides but need the scouts to take notice on a slightly larger stage. If the scouts already have a draft profile on you graded at first round Sr. year in HS, college isn't helping.

 

[stats]

I put the blame on the NBA. Having guys like Zion Williamson, Ben Simmons and Anthony Davis play a year in college is great exposure and advertising for marketing these guys that will be in the NBA. I know they have the G-League, but I would like to see each NBA have their own farm system(s) similar to baseball.

Let's be honest, Williamson, Simmons and Davis (along with about 35 other NBA players) were going top 10 at age 19 out of Kentucky or age 17 out of St. Ambrose High. For players at that level, they aren't getting any better exposure in college than they already had to NBA scouts.

I meant they were getting better exposure to basketball fans in general. More people are likely to watch those guys in the NBA now that they have seen them play in college. If Zion went straight to the NBA, most fans wouldn't be as familiar with him. Believe me, NBA knows what they are doing with this one and done. It has everything to do with making them more money.

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

So you all advocate him to sit on a couch until the NBA draft?

In order to prepare for the draft hes going to ... workout - play basketball etc. He can get hurt doing all of those.

He's going to play when healthy, and it's the right choice... His knee injury has been compared to a sprained ankle. Worst case - torn ACL... Bet hes still a top 5 pick at worst, possibly #1 pick.

Shoe deal / endorsement deals... He's not going to have any sort of financial burden

Prepare for the draft?? He can ride a bike to stay in shape. He doesn't need to shoot another shot or work out to go #1. Let's say he comes back for Duke and has a Shawn Livingston injury. Now what?

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Do you honestly think that is what guys do to prepare for the NBA draft??? There is an NBA draft combine and guys go to NUMEROUS workouts for NBA teams. He is a basketball player - he is going to play basketball..... Duke and Coach K said they have not even discussed the possibility of him sitting out.

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

I put the blame on the NBA. Having guys like Zion Williamson, Ben Simmons and Anthony Davis play a year in college is great exposure and advertising for marketing these guys that will be in the NBA. I know they have the G-League, but I would like to see each NBA have their own farm system(s) similar to baseball.

Let's be honest, Williamson, Simmons and Davis (along with about 35 other NBA players) were going top 10 at age 19 out of Kentucky or age 17 out of St. Ambrose High. For players at that level, they aren't getting any better exposure in college than they already had to NBA scouts. At best, they are confirming what scouts already knew or under performing in those expectations.

College is perfect for players like McIntosh, DAP, Patrick O'Bryant and other players who have big upsides but need the scouts to take notice on a slightly larger stage. If the scouts already have a draft profile on you graded at first round Sr. year in HS, college isn't helping.

I somewhat agree- However RJ Barrett was considered the clear #1 pick before this season. Most people questioned if Zion's game translated going up against bigger more athletic competition. Now on the college level he is just as dominant as HS and has surpassed Barrett.... If Zion went straight from HS he is probably top 5 - but doubtful hes picked #1.

 

[isuquinndog]

So you all advocate him to sit on a couch until the NBA draft?

In order to prepare for the draft hes going to ... workout - play basketball etc. He can get hurt doing all of those.

He's going to play when healthy, and it's the right choice... His knee injury has been compared to a sprained ankle. Worst case - torn ACL... Bet hes still a top 5 pick at worst, possibly #1 pick.

Shoe deal / endorsement deals... He's not going to have any sort of financial burden

Prepare for the draft?? He can ride a bike to stay in shape. He doesn't need to shoot another shot or work out to go #1. Let's say he comes back for Duke and has a Shawn Livingston injury. Now what?

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He collects $8 million and doesn't have to work a day in his life.

 

[isuquinndog]

I'm against sitting out. I give a pass to meaningless bowl games. But Duke is at least the second most likely team behind Virginia to win the NCAA tournament. If he sits out and he's not hurt, then he's a bad guy. His teammates, some of which are not NBA prospects, are trying to win a national title.

Plus, he was hurt in a NON CONTACT injury. You think he's going to sit out and sit on his duff for three months until the draft? No, he's going to work out, he's going to get scouted. The exact same thing could happen again. It just wouldn't be on national TV.

He signed with Duke, he should play for Duke, if he's healthy. If hes hurt, then no don't play of course.

Then he's a bad guy?? Come on! He is looking at a $40 million++ contract when he goes number #1. Tear an ACL? You can cut that in half, if not more. He is at Duke because he has to be. How many full games of ZW have you watched? Do you really think scouts still need to see him? He can stay in shape for 3 months without putting himself at risk. This is big time college basketball and it's a business and he is a businessman. It's not the freaking MVC.

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Scouts knew who he was and what he could do before he went to Duke. He didn't have to go to the best team in the country who is trying to win a national title. Hell, come to ISU, and if you tweak an ankle and sit, probably isn't going to matter. Even with ZW ISU wouldn't be going to win a national title. Then he's not really letting down teammates.

It's something I have to explain to my 14 yr old all the time. Choices you make don't affect just you, but also people around you. Start thinking past yourself.

 

[Birdman07]

So you all advocate him to sit on a couch until the NBA draft?

In order to prepare for the draft hes going to ... workout - play basketball etc. He can get hurt doing all of those.

He's going to play when healthy, and it's the right choice... His knee injury has been compared to a sprained ankle. Worst case - torn ACL... Bet hes still a top 5 pick at worst, possibly #1 pick.

Shoe deal / endorsement deals... He's not going to have any sort of financial burden

Prepare for the draft?? He can ride a bike to stay in shape. He doesn't need to shoot another shot or work out to go #1. Let's say he comes back for Duke and has a Shawn Livingston injury. Now what?

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He collects $8 million and doesn't have to work a day in his life.

He gets $9.5 as the number 1 pick AND endorsements. Financially its smarter to sit out because hes going to double his money.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/07/rookie-scale-salaries-for-2018-first-round-picks.html

$12.6 for a first round pick by 2021. WOW.

 

[birdlife]

knowing he has the insurance policy, i fully expect him to come back and play the rest of the year.

 

[isuquinndog]

I wasn't arguing he wouldn't make more. But let's not pretend if he gets hurt he has to live in a box the rest of his life. He'll be ok.