Will the Athletic Department Fail Again?

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Wow. This has been a busy discussion. Rather than trying to address every single posts, I will just throw out some seemingly random points that address some of the other points some of you have made.

The number one reason someone buys a season ticket is to have the SAME seat. Every game, hopefully year after year,

You never ever, again, never EVER take for granted your best customers. That is especially true for the sports entertainment customer. Some here are doing that. And to risk that customer on a much lower revenue customer, even though that person is likely not interested, anyway.

The top reason students don't attend athletics events, they say, is they don't have the time to do so. Too much else going on these days, they say. The number two reason, they say is they don't care about sports. 90% of our students have no idea what legal issues Milik Yarbrough has. 95% of them don't know who Milik is. Very low on the list of why they come has anything to do with the cost. Now, raise tuition or fees $62 bucks and we will hear about it. And it could cost the university a lot more than a kid that might come to a game or two. It's a tricky balance as it is the funds athletics gets from student fees. We have to be as competitive as we possible can managing the student investment in their education.

Student attendance has dropped all across the country. Virtually everywhere. Especially over the last 10 to 15 years. See the last paragraph.

It seems, in college sports, the number of "casual" fans are down. As are families that attend all sports. As much as some like to slam our admins, or promotions, are whatever, our struggles are hardly unique.

It's a struggle, for sure. We have more ticket plans than we have had for several years. More promotions, too. Our head coach is always working the students and public. We have worked hard on the schedule. We shall see, but it's a battle.
 

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SgtHulka said:
Jsnhbe1Birds said:
ChiRedbirdfan said:
Goal is to maximize revenue
Shouldn't be at first

End goal should be to maximize revenue. You do what you have to in the beginning. Any good business will tell you they didn't try to get as much money as possible at first it was about reaching customers at first.
In the beginnimg?!? The beginning of what? Get out of Genesis and into Matthew, maybe even Luke or John with the rest of the world


theyve done such a piss poor job they have to hit the reset button and start from the beginning
 

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What if professors gave out extra credit?
What if fraternities and sororities were honored or were able to play a game at halftime? This will bring them and their friends to come. A fun tradition on opening night like “silent night” that one College does or have a rapper come and do a concert after the game. Also promote unique giveaways like t shirts. Have to adapt with the times students now have video games, different organizations, and tv instead of going to basketball games.


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Jsnhbe1Birds said:
SgtHulka said:
Jsnhbe1Birds said:
Shouldn't be at first

End goal should be to maximize revenue. You do what you have to in the beginning. Any good business will tell you they didn't try to get as much money as possible at first it was about reaching customers at first.
In the beginnimg?!? The beginning of what? Get out of Genesis and into Matthew, maybe even Luke or John with the rest of the world
I think moving games to McCormick Gym is a bit drastic


theyve done such a piss poor job they have to hit the reset button and start from the beginning
 

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Redbirds0215 said:
What if professors gave out extra credit?
What if fraternities and sororities were honored or were able to play a game at halftime? This will bring them and their friends to come. A fun tradition on opening night like “silent night” that one College does or have a rapper come and do a concert after the game. Also promote unique giveaways like t shirts. Have to adapt with the times students now have video games, different organizations, and tv instead of going to basketball games.


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Graduated a few years ago but I did have some professors that would give you extra credit for going to a school function which included sporting events. Also Muller, assistant coaches, and players visited my fraternity during some of our meetings to promote the program and to ask for our support in going to games. Don’t know if they still do that but definitely worked in getting some of the guys who were on the fence to go.
 

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Offer a drawing for $500 to the bookstore at each home game (students only)
 

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Rollbirds5 said:
Redbirds0215 said:
What if professors gave out extra credit?
What if fraternities and sororities were honored or were able to play a game at halftime? This will bring them and their friends to come. A fun tradition on opening night like “silent night” that one College does or have a rapper come and do a concert after the game. Also promote unique giveaways like t shirts. Have to adapt with the times students now have video games, different organizations, and tv instead of going to basketball games.


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Graduated a few years ago but I did have some professors that would give you extra credit for going to a school function which included sporting events. Also Muller, assistant coaches, and players visited my fraternity during some of our meetings to promote the program and to ask for our support in going to games. Don’t know if they still do that but definitely worked in getting some of the guys who were on the fence to go.

I hope a student in business calculus, science...etc could not get extra credit for going to a basketball game? maybe something like a writing class where you had to write a report about the game? I have not heard of extra credit for game attendance (2 kids out of college and another over half way) nor experienced that myself. If it is tied to the class in a meaningful way then I guess no harm no foul. What was your major?
 

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90% of our students have no idea what legal issues Milik Yarbrough has.

Where did you get that scientific number of 90%? Is that a fact or made up number? Just a few Vidette articles that maybe some of the ISU students stumbled upon

http://www.videtteonline.com/sports/milik-yarbrough-suspended-indefinitely/article_40b96fc8-b696-11e8-9f71-7f9ec9081ba1.html

http://www.videtteonline.com/sports/yarbrough-s-status-tbd-for-practices/article_b7e4e20e-bc85-11e8-8ca1-cb2fc10fcfd0.html

http://www.videtteonline.com/sports/yarbrough-arrested-released-on-bond/article_0f15ad32-0c4c-11e8-a12b-874eb50ff924.html

http://www.videtteonline.com/sports/tolentino-muller-needs-to-take-action-on-recent-arrests/article_d0f377fe-9bf0-11e6-83b6-93a19bcc7eaa.html
 

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SgtHulka said:
Jsnhbe1Birds said:
SgtHulka said:
In the beginnimg?!? The beginning of what? Get out of Genesis and into Matthew, maybe even Luke or John with the rest of the world
I think moving games to McCormick Gym is a bit drastic


theyve done such a piss poor job they have to hit the reset button and start from the beginning
And Cook Hall would be drasticer.
 

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CaliRdBrd said:
ChiRedbirdfan said:
The mens basketball team's Jailbird image takes a toll on attendance too. Too many negative incidents over the past few years. Need the stench of Hawkins, Yarbrough and a few others to fade so that the good character players like Fayne, Evans...etc and the entire ISU hoop's image becomes more likable.
Ridiculous. You seriously are blaming low attendance on a few minor off the court incidents?

I am saying that it is another contributing factor for low attendance. It just does not help the team's image when the best player, whom should be a draw for fans, is in the news periodically for being arrested.
 

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ChiRedbirdfan said:
bb fan said:
90% of our students have no idea what legal issues Milik Yarbrough has.

Where did you get that scientific number of 90%? Is that a fact or made up number? Just a few Vidette articles that maybe some of the ISU students stumbled upon

http://www.videtteonline.com/sports/milik-yarbrough-suspended-indefinitely/article_40b96fc8-b696-11e8-9f71-7f9ec9081ba1.html

http://www.videtteonline.com/sports/yarbrough-s-status-tbd-for-practices/article_b7e4e20e-bc85-11e8-8ca1-cb2fc10fcfd0.html

http://www.videtteonline.com/sports/yarbrough-arrested-released-on-bond/article_0f15ad32-0c4c-11e8-a12b-874eb50ff924.html

http://www.videtteonline.com/sports/tolentino-muller-needs-to-take-action-on-recent-arrests/article_d0f377fe-9bf0-11e6-83b6-93a19bcc7eaa.html


It would be interesting to know what percentage - even roughly - of students at ISU actually read, online or in paper, The Vidette.
 

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ChiRedbirdfan said:
Rollbirds5 said:
Redbirds0215 said:
What if professors gave out extra credit?
What if fraternities and sororities were honored or were able to play a game at halftime? This will bring them and their friends to come. A fun tradition on opening night like “silent night” that one College does or have a rapper come and do a concert after the game. Also promote unique giveaways like t shirts. Have to adapt with the times students now have video games, different organizations, and tv instead of going to basketball games.


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Graduated a few years ago but I did have some professors that would give you extra credit for going to a school function which included sporting events. Also Muller, assistant coaches, and players visited my fraternity during some of our meetings to promote the program and to ask for our support in going to games. Don’t know if they still do that but definitely worked in getting some of the guys who were on the fence to go.

I hope a student in business calculus, science...etc could not get extra credit for going to a basketball game? maybe something like a writing class where you had to write a report about the game? I have not heard of extra credit for game attendance (2 kids out of college and another over half way) nor experienced that myself. If it is tied to the class in a meaningful way then I guess no harm no foul. What was your major?
Finance major. Not like it was anything major but a couple points, almost like a simple homework grade if you chose to do it. Included going to a theater performance and other activities like that around campus
 
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"If you build it they will come"

"If you WIN they will come"

Pretty analogous to me these quotes.

Very good OP post though. :)

If we were receiving top 25 votes like we should be at this point in the season MAYBE fan interest might be stronger?

Good post :)
 

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Jsnhbe1Birds said:
they need to give away tickets

You and I finally agree. You need to simply hand out 500-2000 tickets for every game. No student should have to buy a ticket to any athletic event ever.

Yes, some season ticket holders will huff, but by giving people a taste of what fun it is, they are more likely to return. The coke dealer theory.
 

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Humdinger said:
ChiRedbirdfan said:
bb fan said:
90% of our students have no idea what legal issues Milik Yarbrough has.

Where did you get that scientific number of 90%? Is that a fact or made up number? Just a few Vidette articles that maybe some of the ISU students stumbled upon

http://www.videtteonline.com/sports/milik-yarbrough-suspended-indefinitely/article_40b96fc8-b696-11e8-9f71-7f9ec9081ba1.html

http://www.videtteonline.com/sports/yarbrough-s-status-tbd-for-practices/article_b7e4e20e-bc85-11e8-8ca1-cb2fc10fcfd0.html

http://www.videtteonline.com/sports/yarbrough-arrested-released-on-bond/article_0f15ad32-0c4c-11e8-a12b-874eb50ff924.html

http://www.videtteonline.com/sports/tolentino-muller-needs-to-take-action-on-recent-arrests/article_d0f377fe-9bf0-11e6-83b6-93a19bcc7eaa.html


It would be interesting to know what percentage - even roughly - of students at ISU actually read, online or in paper, The Vidette.
Was wondering that too and your question made me dig into since I got nothing else to do as a result in of a canceled flight. Following from Vidette wiki but who knows how many issues go to students and also how much impact of online views.

The Vidette has a circulation of 5,000 issues a day Monday and Thursday during the fall and spring semesters and 4,000 issues on select Wednesdays during the summer. It prints 5,000 issues on Wednesdays during the summer semester.[1] In addition to the daily issue, the newspaper staff also produce between six and seven special magazine sections throughout the year on a range of topics. The Vidette has 55 drop spots around the Bloomington-Normal area.
 

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Redbirdwarrior said:
Jsnhbe1Birds said:
they need to give away tickets

You and I finally agree. You need to simply hand out 500-2000 tickets for every game. No student should have to buy a ticket to any athletic event ever.

Yes, some season ticket holders will huff, but by giving people a taste of what fun it is, they are more likely to return. The coke dealer theory.

Yes, but then, there's this theory:

https://www.businessinsider.com/people-dont-value-free-stuff-2017-6
It's not about the money, but in my experience, if people don't pay, they just don't value it."
 

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That doesn't get us very close to an accurate number, but at least we know how many licks it takes to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop. According to Mr. Owl.
 

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ChiRedbirdfan said:
Humdinger said:
It would be interesting to know what percentage - even roughly - of students at ISU actually read, online or in paper, The Vidette.
Was wondering that too and your question made me dig into since I got nothing else to do as a result in of a canceled flight. Following from Vidette wiki but who knows how many issues go to students and also how much impact of online views.

The Vidette has a circulation of 5,000 issues a day Monday and Thursday during the fall and spring semesters and 4,000 issues on select Wednesdays during the summer. It prints 5,000 issues on Wednesdays during the summer semester.[1] In addition to the daily issue, the newspaper staff also produce between six and seven special magazine sections throughout the year on a range of topics. The Vidette has 55 drop spots around the Bloomington-Normal area.


That doesn't get us very close to an accurate number, but at least we know how many licks it takes to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop. According to Mr. Owl.
 

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TIMMY said:
Wow it's like deja vu all over again. And again. And Again.

Wow it's like deja vu all over again niaga revo lla uv ajed ekil s'ti woW.
 

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ChiRedbirdfan said:
bb fan said:
90% of our students have no idea what legal issues Milik Yarbrough has.

Where did you get that scientific number of 90%? Is that a fact or made up number? Just a few Vidette articles that maybe some of the ISU students stumbled upon

http://www.videtteonline.com/sports/milik-yarbrough-suspended-indefinitely/article_40b96fc8-b696-11e8-9f71-7f9ec9081ba1.html

http://www.videtteonline.com/sports/yarbrough-s-status-tbd-for-practices/article_b7e4e20e-bc85-11e8-8ca1-cb2fc10fcfd0.html

http://www.videtteonline.com/sports/yarbrough-arrested-released-on-bond/article_0f15ad32-0c4c-11e8-a12b-874eb50ff924.html

http://www.videtteonline.com/sports/tolentino-muller-needs-to-take-action-on-recent-arrests/article_d0f377fe-9bf0-11e6-83b6-93a19bcc7eaa.html

But only 5% read those articles and each told a friend.
 
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