Jefferson had several nice passes today. However, not nearly enough. He misses WAY to many receivers, has almost no pocket presence, and does not take care of the ball. He cannot play from behind. Yes, our offensive scheme - from top to bottom is terrible.
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Dan Marino won.
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I was not able to watch the game yesterday. I have read the game summary and looked over the posts here. I will watch the replay (thanks to ESPN+) but even without seeing the game, it appears to be another 2nd half implosion by the Redbirds after a good start. Is it just the other team makes better adjustments and the Redbirds coaching staff does not? Do the players lose their focus? It has happened quite a few times now this season. Are the players mentally now waiting for the sky to fall in the second half? Usually, it just comes down to making a few key mistakes and momentum changes. Lots of comments on this board last week after the SD win that the rest of the games on the schedule are winnable and I think most of us expected a win yesterday. No win is guaranteed and I can easily see this team losing all three remaining games. Winnable games yes, but I can easily see them losing them too. Lots of work to do in the off-season and yes, we are at the point where the focus moves to next season. Watch the rest of the games and play out the string but this Redbird team and coaching staff is now doing nothing but playing out the string, looking for young talent development, and looking toward the off-season.
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I wouldn’t call 4 turnovers on the year turnover prone. (3 of them against the two probable conference winners.)
Hard to have a pocket presence when there is no pocket. He steps up to give receivers time to get open but it doesn’t happen. He rolls out with eyes DOWNFIELD hoping someone gets open doesn’t happen. Would you prefer he just takes off every snap?
I would like to see the ball caught when it hits a WR in the hands. But first I would like to see them actually get open. Even the commentators mentioned the QB doesn't have a man open for a throw very often.
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I think the flip side is that WAY too many receivers miss the ball. We can't always put the blame on the QB. Even Spack mentioned that during half time. The QB only has 3-4 seconds to make the play happen but if no one is open, he has to make a split-second decision. It's not an easy job. We aren't in the NFL. It's simply a coaching issue. No we don't need to fire Spack necessarily. We just need to do better after halftime when the opposing team changes their plays up
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Jefferson had a clear passing lane for a short pass to the endzone. TE Taula was open. Tanner Taula is 6'6 and the ball was thrown behind him around the knees making for a very difficult catch on an easy throw. That incompletion is about 90% on Jefferson and 10% on Taula.
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Lol. We are watching two different players.
Unfortunately is true. That was a throw that jefferson has to be able to make and it seems he misses a few of those every game.
The fact that he may be the least accurate passer in the conference (including comparisons with QBs who were in high school a year ago) is one thing, but if he can't grasp football "I.Q." after being on a college program for three years that might be an even bigger problem. You CAN'T take consecutive sacks on second and third downs when you are in the doorstep of field goal range in the first half, the second one having scrambled out of the pocket and so merely needing to throw the ball away; and then in the 4th quarter again having scrambled outside of the tackle box, throw the ball out of bounds directly into the sideline 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage to draw intentional grounding.
UM you have to have OL Protection and WR get OPEN ! Constant reminder the birds don't have JR with everyone stacking the box playing run. In turn thats why WR's who now can't get no separation its shows. Question OC never use the fullback to run in the last 4 years more than 10x a year. Even worse we look at WIU/SD game when fullback is in with white its a tell tell sign ball is going to white. How strategic /Genius is that. Also since Jefferson time at ISU 3 different OC... or should I say 4 with the two OC now.
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We spend too much time focusing on the negative and throwing various players and coaches under the bus. I'm not going to become a denier of the problems but it helps to look at what went right as well. Jabari Khepra caught a 12-yard TD pass. Khepra had a defender on his heels but he was open IF the pass was perfectly thrown. It couldn't be over or under thrown and it needed a nice arc to sail over the defender. Bryce Jefferson delivered a dime to Khepra's front pocket and he hauled it in. Touchdown Redbirds. Jefferson also completed a 43 yarder to Bryson Deming. Deming had gone deep up the middle but two Western defenders were converging on the play. Deming was open IF the pass was on target and it was. Sending the TE to the deep middle is a slow developing play. It doesn't work without great pass protection and Jefferson got it. The O-Line provided a perfect pocket and Jefferson had time and space to step forward into the throw to Deming. Great play, Big gain. Were those great calls? They worked that's for sure. It's funny how smart the OC's look when players execute and make quality plays.
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Also, although he had a couple of passes on the money in his 16 attempts, I was referring to his total body of work as a starting QB, which includes some 4-18 games, and others with a completion percentage well below .500, and I was also comparing him to the passing skills of other starting QBs in the conference.
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It's a little bit of everything on offense .. from personnel to coaching to schemes ... so no one single thing, except were very young & inexperienced ... do wish we were seeing some of Jackson Waring - not getting current QB development strategy, other than maybe Spack doesn't want to "break his spirit" too early ??
Hard to tell on defense - we look very stout at times against very strong offenses, but then collapse. That is presumably inexperience. plus issue with our offense not usually doing their part with moving chains, ball control, scoring .. mental and physical collapse on defense, so to speak. So that doesnt worry me at this point .. I'm actually pleasantly surprised defense came together (at times) this early.
Again, we're very inexperienced in a lot of places. Looking forward to 2022 .. for now, just like seeing who is emerging for our 2 deep, and who our future studs will be .. theyre out there right now.
Hard to tell on defense - we look very stout at times against very strong offenses, but then collapse. That is presumably inexperience. plus issue with our offense not usually doing their part with moving chains, ball control, scoring .. mental and physical collapse on defense, so to speak. So that doesnt worry me at this point .. I'm actually pleasantly surprised defense came together (at times) this early.
Again, we're very inexperienced in a lot of places. Looking forward to 2022 .. for now, just like seeing who is emerging for our 2 deep, and who our future studs will be .. theyre out there right now.
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This and 2 bucks will barely get you cup of coffee at Starbucks ... but ...... Jefferson used to be very good in the pocket as far as feeling the pocket and sensing where the pressure was coming from and buying time. His trouble all along was decision making when throwing under pressure, on the run, etc. Whatever troubles he is having in the pocket now are a combination of many things over his 3 years - some his doing, some not his doing .. and now becoming more mental due to accumulation of issues on all fronts on offense. Maybe that's why Spack isn't looking to Waring this season.
Thinking ahead .... we need the AD to meet and strategize with Spack about our next OC .. hiring criteria, roles/responsibilities having to do with QB recruiting/developing and then play calling within Spack's agreed game plans. We need an up and comer OC who knows QB position and pass game .. then Spack needs to let him be in charge.
We can still be a defensive run oriented team, that also knows how to throw it - other teams do this .. NDSU, SDSU to name the 2 at top of our conference. But let's stop pretending we know how to groom unqualified OCs under Spack .. this is for AD to step up to in his year 2-3.
Thinking ahead .... we need the AD to meet and strategize with Spack about our next OC .. hiring criteria, roles/responsibilities having to do with QB recruiting/developing and then play calling within Spack's agreed game plans. We need an up and comer OC who knows QB position and pass game .. then Spack needs to let him be in charge.
We can still be a defensive run oriented team, that also knows how to throw it - other teams do this .. NDSU, SDSU to name the 2 at top of our conference. But let's stop pretending we know how to groom unqualified OCs under Spack .. this is for AD to step up to in his year 2-3.
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Good stuff, as always, fourthandshort.
Was not able to watch the WIU game Saturday (closing the cabin and so took in the last home game at DIII #5 St. John's, which won 81-0 - brutal). But last night watched the ISU replay and stuck with it all the way even tho I knew the painful end was coming.
The word - for Jefferson and the offense and the defense - that hits me is consistency. Or the lack of. For example, you're watching the game and senior Jerrell Jackson makes some really nice plays, and then in the clutch gets beat on a 3rd and long. Zeke is a tough cookie at LB, making plays all over the field, and then misses a tackle just when you needed one. Jefferson looks like he's finally turned the corner, hitting the tough throws, then gets hit and coughs up the ball just when we needed to hang on and grind it out. We finally get the TE's involved in the offense, then they proceed to drop some sure things when we need them. And so on and so on.
I've said before I would not have picked Mueller to emerge as our go to back this year, not to mention multiple back to back 100 yard games! Is he a long term answer? At least part of it. I'm surprised Pha'Leak and Nigel have not seen more PT and am wondering how they will stack up against Lampkin when he returns and true FR Sean Allen as the rest of the backfield lineup.
Agree with fourthandshort and others, I'd like to see more of Waring at this point. You have to agree Jefferson, on paper, still has a future, so the PT could benefit him - he's only a soph after all. He plays this year, the light bulb finally goes on, and he has two very productive years for us in 22 and 23. But the numbers don't look good, and I'll say only for myself, the "look test" don't look good - watching him play, I just find myself cringing, waiting for the next bad thing to happen. I don't know why, don't like it. But it is what it is.
Pretty disappointing season, altho I think I predicted 6-5 so wasn't expecting the world. We'll be lucky to make 4-7, altho it would be just like this team to win out. Hard to know!
Was not able to watch the WIU game Saturday (closing the cabin and so took in the last home game at DIII #5 St. John's, which won 81-0 - brutal). But last night watched the ISU replay and stuck with it all the way even tho I knew the painful end was coming.
The word - for Jefferson and the offense and the defense - that hits me is consistency. Or the lack of. For example, you're watching the game and senior Jerrell Jackson makes some really nice plays, and then in the clutch gets beat on a 3rd and long. Zeke is a tough cookie at LB, making plays all over the field, and then misses a tackle just when you needed one. Jefferson looks like he's finally turned the corner, hitting the tough throws, then gets hit and coughs up the ball just when we needed to hang on and grind it out. We finally get the TE's involved in the offense, then they proceed to drop some sure things when we need them. And so on and so on.
I've said before I would not have picked Mueller to emerge as our go to back this year, not to mention multiple back to back 100 yard games! Is he a long term answer? At least part of it. I'm surprised Pha'Leak and Nigel have not seen more PT and am wondering how they will stack up against Lampkin when he returns and true FR Sean Allen as the rest of the backfield lineup.
Agree with fourthandshort and others, I'd like to see more of Waring at this point. You have to agree Jefferson, on paper, still has a future, so the PT could benefit him - he's only a soph after all. He plays this year, the light bulb finally goes on, and he has two very productive years for us in 22 and 23. But the numbers don't look good, and I'll say only for myself, the "look test" don't look good - watching him play, I just find myself cringing, waiting for the next bad thing to happen. I don't know why, don't like it. But it is what it is.
Pretty disappointing season, altho I think I predicted 6-5 so wasn't expecting the world. We'll be lucky to make 4-7, altho it would be just like this team to win out. Hard to know!
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So we have two young quarterbacks. At this point in the season, the future might lie with the QB who has completed a higher percentage of his throws, for more yardage and has a higher efficiency rating. Just call me crazy.
Oh, that would be Waring.
Oh, that would be Waring.