Two Deep Offense

[TIMMY]

Is it just me or does it seem kinda pathetic we're waiting for Timmy to answer a question like this?

It's not pathetic at all. It's a really good question. It can be semantically confusing but the main thing to get is a 3-4 DE is more like a 4-3 DT. And a 3-4 OLB (Jack) is more like a 4-3 DE who on occasion has to cover somebody.

 

[fourthandshort]

Is it just me or does it seem kinda pathetic we're waiting for Timmy to answer a question like this?

I had/have an answer... but I'm quite sure you will get a better answer from Timmy

 

[isuquinndog]

Is it just me or does it seem kinda pathetic we're waiting for Timmy to answer a question like this?

Did you know the answer?

 

[Redbird28]

D-ends in a 3-4 are really interior linemen. They line up from head-up to an outside shade on the offensive tackle. He is normally a C gap player if there is a tight end. But he can reduce down and be a B gap player depending on the call. A 3-4 DE is completely different skill set than a 4-3 DE and normally a more stout kid.
The Jack is what Khalil Mack plays for the Bears. Basically an OLB. He's the edge player on the line of scrimmage. When the Jack reads run he sets the defensive edge.(contain) by keeping his outside arm free and NOT flying up field. He wants to keep the ball inside of him on a run to him and run the ball down on a play away from him. Jason Harris excelled at this. When the Jack reads pass he gets after the QB from the outside. But.... There are calls that will have him drop into coverage from time to time. So he also has to turn his hips and run with people. It's a very high skill set and why they make the big bucks in the NFL.

Great explanation.

One other thing here: Because the Jack is a hybrid DE/LB it gives a spot to guys that might be considered tweeners an actual position. Ex: A guy that might be considered too big to be a LB, or too small to be a DE, all the sudden has a home.

 

[StLRedbird]

D-ends in a 3-4 are really interior linemen. They line up from head-up to an outside shade on the offensive tackle. He is normally a C gap player if there is a tight end. But he can reduce down and be a B gap player depending on the call. A 3-4 DE is completely different skill set than a 4-3 DE and normally a more stout kid.
The Jack is what Khalil Mack plays for the Bears. Basically an OLB. He's the edge player on the line of scrimmage. When the Jack reads run he sets the defensive edge.(contain) by keeping his outside arm free and NOT flying up field. He wants to keep the ball inside of him on a run to him and run the ball down on a play away from him. Jason Harris excelled at this. When the Jack reads pass he gets after the QB from the outside. But.... There are calls that will have him drop into coverage from time to time. So he also has to turn his hips and run with people. It's a very high skill set and why they make the big bucks in the NFL.

Great explanation.

One other thing here: Because the Jack is a hybrid DE/LB it gives a spot to guys that might be considered tweeners an actual position. Ex: A guy that might be considered too big to be a LB, or too small to be a DE, all the sudden has a home.

Agreed. Even I could understand it. Thanks, Timmy.

 

[fourthandshort]

D-ends in a 3-4 are really interior linemen. They line up from head-up to an outside shade on the offensive tackle. He is normally a C gap player if there is a tight end. But he can reduce down and be a B gap player depending on the call. A 3-4 DE is completely different skill set than a 4-3 DE and normally a more stout kid.
The Jack is what Khalil Mack plays for the Bears. Basically an OLB. He's the edge player on the line of scrimmage. When the Jack reads run he sets the defensive edge.(contain) by keeping his outside arm free and NOT flying up field. He wants to keep the ball inside of him on a run to him and run the ball down on a play away from him. Jason Harris excelled at this. When the Jack reads pass he gets after the QB from the outside. But.... There are calls that will have him drop into coverage from time to time. So he also has to turn his hips and run with people. It's a very high skill set and why they make the big bucks in the NFL.

Great explanation.

One other thing here: Because the Jack is a hybrid DE/LB it gives a spot to guys that might be considered tweeners an actual position. Ex: A guy that might be considered too big to be a LB, or too small to be a DE, all the sudden has a home.

Agreed. Even I could understand it. Thanks, Timmy.

:think: I'm still confused .. I've scoured our roster .. there is no one even named Jack on defense .. or the rest of our team. I expected a whole lot more from you Timmy !!

:mrgreen:

 

[TIMMY]

Great explanation.

One other thing here: Because the Jack is a hybrid DE/LB it gives a spot to guys that might be considered tweeners an actual position. Ex: A guy that might be considered too big to be a LB, or too small to be a DE, all the sudden has a home.

Agreed. Even I could understand it. Thanks, Timmy.

:think: I'm still confused .. I've scoured our roster .. there is no one even named Jack on defense .. or the rest of our team. I expected a whole lot more from you Timmy !!

:mrgreen:

Well there's a Mike and a Sam. No Jack or Will. My only answer for that is go 4-2-5! The defense that made Boomer famous!

 

[fourthandshort]

Agreed. Even I could understand it. Thanks, Timmy.

:think: I'm still confused .. I've scoured our roster .. there is no one even named Jack on defense .. or the rest of our team. I expected a whole lot more from you Timmy !!

:mrgreen:

Well there's a Mike and a Sam. No Jack or Will. My only answer for that is go 4-2-5! The defense that made Boomer famous!

I suppose the good news is I think we have 2 Jacks coming in as true FR this summer .. so Spack might be able to stay with his 3-4 after all.