Thoughts on each player

[SoCalRedbird]

Remember we were 18-15 last year with mostly the same cast of players and got blown out multiple times and didn't even qualify for the NIT. I made a comment in another post a few months ago not to expect too much. The evidence does not support it. Even with that being said, last night was about as low as it can go. Thankfully, we won.

The evidence of 3 whole games?

Also I’m pretty impressed at what Copeland, jj, Rey and Chastain can bring to the table once they get some D1 court time.

Pretty sure it will be more than what Elijah, ndiaye, etc brought.

I agree that depth has been upgraded, but Baltimore's post is the elephant in the room.

If these guys didn't get it done last year, adding Josh Jefferson and Zach Copeland aren't going to fix the problem unless there is substantial growth in our veterans. Tournament teams with veteran players don't start the season unprepared, lacking identity, and generally disinterested in defense. They also don't slip by an RPI 348 team because a call was blown in their favor.

I hope we're wrong, but I think all of us have at least considered the possibility.

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[Jsnhbe1Birds]

Then I vote every single poster who name called me joins me. Otherwise not fair. He may not like me but he has to be fair.

 

[Hamdonger]

Then I vote every single poster who name called me joins me. Otherwise not fair. He may not like me but he has to be fair.

Sure I'll volunteer to go. Don't believe I called you a name, but I'll take one for the team.

 

[cpacmel]

They also don't slip by an RPI 348 team because a call was blown in their favor.

So a single call allowed us to win? That’s a bit dramatic.

What about the missed travel on Chicago state in the first 5 minutes of the game? That was a blown call too.

Case in point, refs miss calls throughout the game for both teams. Happens in EVERY game.

29 free throws attempted for CSU to our 19. And Fayne had 3 fouls in the first half.

 

[SgtHulka]

Then I vote every single poster who name called me joins me. Otherwise not fair. He may not like me but he has to be fair.

What, in your mind, is fair about the internet? Quinn pays the bills Quinn decides the rules, not you or me

 

[cpacmel]

Then I vote every single poster who name called me joins me. Otherwise not fair. He may not like me but he has to be fair.

#1. You of all people get NO vote on anything
#2. Life’s not fair.
#3. Your not here to make friends so why would you expect things to friendly?
#4. Read more and post less! Mvcfans is calling...full time!

 

[Baltimore Bird]

SO Cal....You maybe missed my point. The evidence I was referring to is all of last season plus 3 games this year. That was I was trying to say with my comment "mostly the same cast of characters." Our Birds just have not been very good over an extended period of time. I will keep watching every game and hope to attend a few of them and will root for them to win. This is just a comment on a message board to spark some debate and maybe another line of thinking.

 

[Tpguy]

Then I vote every single poster who name called me joins me. Otherwise not fair. He may not like me but he has to be fair.

I think it's fair to say you make almost everyone sick on this board uke-front: uke-huge: bscene-birdiedoublegreen:

 

[ISU FAN 1]

Fayne - best player. Get him the rock more. There should never be a game where he has under 7 rebounds. He needs to be more assertive especially against the teams we are about to face.

Yarbrough - he and Fayne should run more high-lows and he should play on block more (triple threat. Score. Pass to Fayne. Kick out for a 3). He HAS to rebound and defend every night or we lose.

Evans - needs to play off the ball more. Not quick enough to get separation at the point. Defensively he should not be guarding other teams top dog.

Copeland - should be running the point. Has the quickness. Size. Playmaking ability. Need better shot selection. It will come. Defensively he needs to guard the top guard. Asking a lot from one player.

Jefferson - Would like to see him penetrate more. Teams have to respect his jumper, which is best on the team. Don’t understand why Muller does not use more high ball screens with Fayne and Yarbrough and his guards. They can all shoot. And F and Y can finish on the roll.

Tinsley - The confidence is not there because the effort is not there. He will sort out his role in the offense (which will be the 4th or 5th option - accept it). In the meantime, he should be trying to get 10 rebounds every game and holding his guy scoreless.

Gassman, Hein, Chastain - should not be shooting unless it is uncontested. Muller needs to play more zone when they are in there. And there should not be situations when 2 of them are on the floor together.

Rey - he really needs to play more. He should be setting a million screens and rebounding and blocking a shot here or there. We don’t need him to score. There should be 3 other guys on the court at all times who can score.

As an opposing coach, I would tell my guys to leave your trio wide open, and take my chances.

If we ran the offense thru Yarbs and Fayne to setup the 3, we would be better IMO. We seem to instead want to establish the 3, and play off of that.

I think Copeland erupts in the Caymans. I had no issue with his shooting last night. He took the wide open 3s that the defense gave him. They’ll start falling. Just like Jefferson will regress to the mean. His last 2 threes last night looked sick. So he’s already started the regression.

Bruninga could give another dimension when healthy.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

Then I vote every single poster who name called me joins me. Otherwise not fair. He may not like me but he has to be fair.

Sure I'll volunteer to go. Don't believe I called you a name, but I'll take one for the team.

I’m against the timeout. With JSN around, suddenly I don’t seem so reviled.

 

[Hamdonger]

Then I vote every single poster who name called me joins me. Otherwise not fair. He may not like me but he has to be fair.

Sure I'll volunteer to go. Don't believe I called you a name, but I'll take one for the team.

I’m against the timeout. With JSN around, suddenly I don’t seem so reviled.

It's hard, I know. You gonna be ok, Deano??(short for Dean's List. As in Mr. Dean's list)(well done, sir) How's retirement treating you? You're too dang young to be retired...

 

[CB2K]

Good analysis by V Boy.

As others have decried, the shot selection is not that good. Key is trying to get his game legs and flow back but he is rushing his shots. Plus, there are a lot more players who can score on this team than in previous years which will likely spread the points around more.

Why they don't run more offense through PF and MY is a conundrum to me. They are very hard to stop down low.

I like it when Rey and Phil and Milik are in the game together because it allows for more freedom down low since the D has to cover two bigs and a slasher. Once Rey starts to figure things out and the game slows down some he will be a force.

Why are they not running more uptempo of an offense -- this may be the most athletic team they have had in years. I wouldn't mind seeing them press and run more especially if they are deficient on D.

As opposed to what others may think -- Chastain can score. He actually is a pretty good shooter inside and outside. I don't mind him posting inside or shooting from downtown. Once he learns his defensive assignments better he may get more opportunity -- unless DM decides to reduce the rotation.

Rotation -- if you are going to play uptempo then you have to go deep 9-10+ players. If you are going to be a defensive type team and play half court offense then you may want to cap the rotation to 7-8. It is hard for a player to get into a rhythm if he doesn't get consistent PT. The other side is that the bench is deep and could maintain a consistent level of skill at all times on the court if you extend the rotation. The bottom line, you have to keep PF and MY on the court as the core to build upon. Once Key gets going then he will contribute more to the offense because we know he can drain the long ball.

This team has some players who can shoot and score -- but shot selection and tentativeness has been their downfall. Boogie was in a rhythm at the end of last year that I thought would have carried over to this year. He is forcing shots and seems tentative sometimes. The same with others. If they would just improve their shot selection then this would dramatically increase their ability to score.

 

[Bird Friend]

Nice review, V Boy.

The only thing I'll respond to what has been said in this and other threads . . . the amount of PT some say is necessary for MY, PF, et al seems arbitrary, at best. If Milik can give me 25 minutes of awesome or 30+ minutes of meh, I want the awesome.

And he needs to quit with the chest thumping. I believe he had at least one time he got beat back on D because he was thumping his chest. That's one of the things I miss about O's style of play. No matter how fantastic the shot or jam, he was immediately focused on getting back on D. (And before anybody says "let the kids play" . . . I don't care about the chest thumping, so long as the player is making sure he's not getting beat back down the floor. That's just common sense.)

 

[DWRedbird]

Nice review, V Boy.

The only thing I'll respond to what has been said in this and other threads . . . the amount of PT some say is necessary for MY, PF, et al seems arbitrary, at best. If Milik can give me 25 minutes of awesome or 30+ minutes of meh, I want the awesome.

And he needs to quit with the chest thumping. I believe he had at least one time he got beat back on D because he was thumping his chest. That's one of the things I miss about O's style of play. No matter how fantastic the shot or jam, he was immediately focused on getting back on D. (And before anybody says "let the kids play" . . . I don't care about the chest thumping, so long as the player is making sure he's not getting beat back down the floor. That's just common sense.)

Agree 100% with this. I'm ok with chest thumping and amping up the crowd after bug shots or you get fooled, but stop doing it after every shot. If MY had Phil's attitude, he'd probably be an All-American.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

Sure I'll volunteer to go. Don't believe I called you a name, but I'll take one for the team.

I’m against the timeout. With JSN around, suddenly I don’t seem so reviled.

It's hard, I know. You gonna be ok, Deano??(short for Dean's List. As in Mr. Dean's list)(well done, sir) How's retirement treating you? You're too dang young to be retired...

It’s going well, except for the days the market tanks. Those were easier to shrug off when I still had a job. But, you can’t buy the years of freedom. It was the right choice for me.

 

[Tpguy]

I’m against the timeout. With JSN around, suddenly I don’t seem so reviled.

It's hard, I know. You gonna be ok, Deano??(short for Dean's List. As in Mr. Dean's list)(well done, sir) How's retirement treating you? You're too dang young to be retired...

It’s going well, except for the days the market tanks. Those were easier to shrug off when I still had a job. But, you can’t buy the years of freedom. It was the right choice for me.

We go to Aldi's

 

[isuquinndog]

I'm not giving a time out. I deleted it. Stop doing it.

As a reminder, please report posts you want me to look at. I get an email, sometimes at night I don't have time to check every post.

 

[Tpguy]

I'm not giving a time out. I deleted it. Stop doing it.

As a reminder, please report posts you want me to look at. I get an email, sometimes at night I don't have time to check every post.

I hope it's not a problem but could you check the last 1200 posts from ISU FAN 1 ? :lol:

 

[V Boy]

I've been thinking about this more.

I am really starting to think the key to this season boils down to one major thing.

Yarbrough and Tinsley are frontcourt players. They are not guards. For us to beat the best teams those two players must play like forwards, not guards. They have to rebound. They have to help on defense. They must not lose 1on1 battles on defense against the opposing teams' frontcourt players. They must not stand and watch on defense. They must play with urgency the entire time.

They should not be shooting contested perimeter shots. Ever.

There needs to be a reckoning in the locker room about this.

It can't just be Fayne. And maybe a little of Bruninga and Rey.

It's just not enough. They must play bigger. Or we will lose.

 

[gobirds72]

I've been thinking about this more.

I am really starting to think the key to this season boils down to one major thing.

Yarbrough and Tinsley are frontcourt players. They are not guards. For us to beat the best teams those two players must play like forwards, not guards. They have to rebound. They have to help on defense. They must not lose 1on1 battles on defense against the opposing teams' frontcourt players. They must not stand and watch on defense. They must play with urgency the entire time.

They should not be shooting contested perimeter shots. Ever.

There needs to be a reckoning in the locker room about this.

It can't just be Fayne. And maybe a little of Bruninga and Rey.

It's just not enough. They must play bigger. Or we will lose.

I do agree with you on this. However, I could see the lack of a big from a mile away. We recruited Rey, but needed someone that could step in immediately. I don’t care if he just gave us 5 points 5 rebounds a game. Muller missed the boat on that spot. Yarborough is a 3...like it or not.