Targeting

[TIMMY]

You can cherry pick all the bad calls you want. How about holding or pass interference. New rules take time to work out. I'm so damn old I was coaching o line when they started letting lineman use their hands. You didn't know what was holding and what was not,
They'll figure it out.

 

[RollBirds2002]

You can cherry pick all the bad calls you want. How about holding or pass interference. New rules take time to work out. I'm so damn old I was coaching o line when they started letting lineman use their hands. You didn't know what was holding and what was not,
They'll figure it out.

There is one huge difference in these cases though and that's the fact that targeting is a reviewable penalty. Holding and pass interference calls being blown are just as understandable as a bad strike/ball call in baseball since you only get one quick look at it (we all hate refs, but it is a tough job). When you have the chance to review it with video replay there should definitely be more consistency.

 

[Virginia Redbird]

You can cherry pick all the bad calls you want. How about holding or pass interference. New rules take time to work out. I'm so damn old I was coaching o line when they started letting lineman use their hands. You didn't know what was holding and what was not,
They'll figure it out.

From watching the games today I am not so sure they know today what is holding and what is not. Complaining about referees and blown calls is as much a part of sports in the U.S. as cheerleaders and hot dogs! :dance:

 

[isuquinndog]

And because you like to yell at them, there is a crisis shortage of officials at the elementary and high school level. To the point where games are being cancelled in some sports because there aren't enough officials.

 

[BallwinBird2012]

And because you like to yell at them, there is a crisis shortage of officials at the elementary and high school level. To the point where games are being cancelled in some sports because there aren't enough officials.

Don't know that it will ever happen or what it would look like, but refs (especially at the higher levels) should be full time employees IMO. One of the biggest complaints you'll hear from coaches (again, specifically at the higher levels) is that they bust their tails off all week just to have games that can sometimes come down to one or two calls by a dude who's working a side gig for a few hours one or two days a week. It can directly affect a coach's livelihood, so it makes total sense to me why you'll see coaches absolutely lay into a ref about a call.

On the flip side, not really fair to the refs either. I've taken the last couple of years off from coaching high school, and I've had several people ask if I'd be interested in reffing in the meantime. Honestly, I can't imagine why anyone would want to spend a Friday night or Saturday morning getting yelled at by grown men and teenagers. Kuddos to the guys who can put up with that and keep the sport going.

 

[Virginia Redbird]

And because you like to yell at them, there is a crisis shortage of officials at the elementary and high school level. To the point where games are being cancelled in some sports because there aren't enough officials.

I don't think anyone on this forum said they "like to yell at them" referring to referees. I think that is a big jump isuquinndog to take some discussion on this forum and jump to verbal abuse of referees. Discussing the inconsistency of the application of the targeting rule and other questionable calls on this forum is light years away from abusing referees at elementary and high school games. I have coached youth sports and refereed youth sports and have had my share of negative comments sent my way. Fans have complained and discussed and lamented referee calls for years and years and years. Just part of sports. ISU great Doug Collins was robbed at the 72 Olympics and people have discussed complained and fumed about that for years but I don't think too many elementary referees quite because of that. I was attending ISU when Collins was playing there and I am still not over the 72 Olympics. Discussions on a board like this and verbally abusing a referee at a youth game are totally different things.

 

[Seeing Red]

And because you like to yell at them, there is a crisis shortage of officials at the elementary and high school level. To the point where games are being cancelled in some sports because there aren't enough officials.

I don't think anyone on this forum said they "like to yell at them" referring to referees. I think that is a big jump isuquinndog to take some discussion on this forum and jump to verbal abuse of referees. Discussing the inconsistency of the application of the targeting rule and other questionable calls on this forum is light years away from abusing referees at elementary and high school games. I have coached youth sports and refereed youth sports and have had my share of negative comments sent my way. Fans have complained and discussed and lamented referee calls for years and years and years. Just part of sports. ISU great Doug Collins was robbed at the 72 Olympics and people have discussed complained and fumed about that for years but I don't think too many elementary referees quite because of that. I was attending ISU when Collins was playing there and I am still not over the 72 Olympics. Discussions on a board like this and verbally abusing a referee at a youth game are totally different things.

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[saxman210]

https://twitter.com/unifootball/status/922143387456811008

FCS has this on re-tweeted on their page so it’s something that they are clearly approving. Is it me, or does the DB launch at the receiver? I don’t see how this hit is any less of a targeting than Barry’s or Brees’.

 

[fourthandshort]

10 times worse than what they called on us twice ... WTF !!!!!!!! Clearly launched and targeted the head, with no last second adjustment by runner contributing to contact .. but didn''t make much contact with head.

I'm still bothered Spack defended officials and decided not to submit tape, and allowed those 2 suspensions to carry into another game without a fight and at least making a point.

 

[TIMMY]

I'd have to see the end zone cut, but I think he hit him with his right shoulder. From the way they separated after the hit I thought it was shoulder to shoulder.
Good article here:
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/9/7/12829482/targeting-penalty-rulebook-ncaa-football

 

[Hamdonger]

I'd have to see the end zone cut, but I think he hit him with his right shoulder. From the way they separated after the hit I thought it was shoulder to shoulder.
Good article here:
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/9/7/12829482/targeting-penalty-rulebook-ncaa-football

That's what it looked like to me.

 

[TIMMY]

And he didn't launch. His feet stopped on contact. His arms were out in front.
Way to read it and play downhill.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

Been looking at some of CTE studies centered around football. Though more research is needed, given what they are finding and early conclusions, I say error on the side of player's mental health and aggressively, not conservatively, implement/enforce the rule.

 

[fourthandshort]

I think were looking at 2 different tapes of UNI hit.

1. I see the tackler launching and leaving his feet upward .. his feet only stopped to momentarily to gather himself to launch upward .. just watch his momentum (i.e. feet) carry himself upward, not just forward from running thru play. That was conscious effort by tackler.

2. I see him aiming high (neck and head) .. that he may have missed or barely hit the helmet, but got mostly shoulder/neck area does not rule out targeting. note, he made no effort to tackle the carrier ... none .. just tried to hit him high, when he could have just tackled him. Didn't even try to wrap up at all. Another conscious effort by tackler.

3. I also see a ball carrier who just took the pitch a split second prior to hit .. defenseless by definition? Tackler saw pitch and runner entire way - read it perfectly; so he could have just lowered his shoulder and tackled him. This aspect is tough to judge any tackler trying to make a play .. but by definition, carrier was defenseless and tackler chose to hit him high instead of tackling him lower. But another conscious decision by tackler.

And I see a ball carrier who never adjusted himself last second to possibly have contributed to the contact. Not compared to our cases, where one QB put his head down into Barry to get a 1st down and other QB ducking Brees hit to chest to void the contact.

Again .. mainly comparing to the 2 we had called to this UNI play. Even if above could be argued either way, I'm just saying the above hit is clearly worse on all 3 qualifying criteria than the 2 that got called on us and confirmed after review.

Only point in carrying on here is that MVFC needs to address this and be more consistent.

 

[saxman210]

My points exactly. Thanks fourth, just pointing out the need for consistency.