Post-Season Bids

[ISU86]

Those 3 wins, 2 being against Stetson, were encompassed in their 9 D-1 wins. If only that’s all it took to get a post-season bid.

I’m wondering how CSU is paying for this trip. For a program that doesn’t have much in resources, maybe they used some of their buy game revenue. They have the Mike Davis-Texas Southern approach. Play 10-12 buy games, essentially most of your games on the road collecting checks.

As far as bids, is the new term “dents and dings” when they run out of stats that can’t be manipulated? From RPI to Net to Quad 1 wins…we now move to “dents and dings” to keep a deserving non-P5 in to get a mediocre P5 team in. What are those “dents and dings”? They won’t explain.

There was a time when an overall 19-14 would have been reflective of a lot of dents and dings; these days it can get certain ones an at-large nine seed (Michigan State).

 

[ISU86]

Looking for the dents and dings (minus the conference name)

 

[Reggie Redbird]

We could try to package a deal against a school with an FBS buy game and see if we can include a H-H bball deal. We could go for the trifecta with the women too. Perhaps we try Nebrasketball…Vanderbilt…Georgia…Arkansas…K-State…Pitt…VaTech…

We could try a 2-for-1 and offer to take less of a buy amount, but let’s face it. You will find it very rare for a P5 team to play a road game that isn’t another P5. Usually those involve connection, close schools (Covid deals), or like service academies.

 

[Aggie]

More I think about why not take the buy games? Attendance not what it once was. You probably not going to get high majors to come to redbird. You can tell recruits they will be on lots of tv networks. The money could do lots of things for men’s basketball. Even if it cannot be used for NIL, you could charter flights, better training facilities, etc. It would be a way to tap into some of the power 5 money. And, your profile nationwide should go up a notch or two. My guess lots of players would look at these games as a way to show the power 5 they can play at their level.

 

[Rollbirds5]

More I think about why not take the buy games? Attendance not what it once was. You probably not going to get high majors to come to redbird. You can tell recruits they will be on lots of tv networks. The money could do lots of things for men’s basketball. Even if it cannot be used for NIL, you could charter flights, better training facilities, etc. It would be a way to tap into some of the power 5 money. And, your profile nationwide should go up a notch or two. My guess lots of players would look at these games as a way to show the power 5 they can play at their level.

A little out of the box thinking here and this probably goes against some NIL rule: play a Texas southern schedule one year where we only take buy games out of conference, then use some of that money as NIL to pay for top transfer or freshman players for the next year and then go back to a normal schedule. Do that every few years to replenish our NIL money. Again probably against some NIL or university rule but worth a shot!

 

[ISU86]

We could try to package a deal against a school with an FBS buy game and see if we can include a H-H bball deal. We could go for the trifecta with the women too. Perhaps we try Nebrasketball…Vanderbilt…Georgia…Arkansas…K-State…Pitt…VaTech…

We could try a 2-for-1 and offer to take less of a buy amount, but let’s face it. You will find it very rare for a P5 team to play a road game that isn’t another P5. Usually those involve connection, close schools (Covid deals), or like service academies.

I think a football buy game and H/H basketball series with Air Force would be alright. Getting the 'birds (and fans) back out to Colorado would be nice.

 

[Dmills]

Is Big East one of the conference guaranteed two NIT bids; and (if so) would the conference still be guaranteed two since St. John's said "thanks, but no thanks"?

This is embarrassing. Whose idea was this in the first place?

 

[Rollbirds5]

This is embarrassing. Whose idea was this in the first place?

With no metrics or ratings to back this up, I would guess the NIT gets more eyeballs when mid-majors are playing and even more when they matchup against a power 5. NIT means more to us than a 10th place B1G team fan base. You would think they would want the best mid-majors to be in the field instead of 13-19 Power 5. I could be very wrong though

 

[fdbird83]

Iowa fans packing Carver Hawkeye Arena tinight.

 

[RedbirdSoxFan]

Iowa fans packing Carver Hawkeye Arena tinight.

Photo taken 30 minutes prior to tipoff. Let’s see one at tipoff.

 

[fdbird83]

Photo taken 30 minutes prior to tipoff. Let’s see one at tipoff.

I've watched some of the Iowa game and it's better but still really poor. Iowa had some conference games with just horrible crowds.

 

[Dmills]

Unfortunately, Minnesota beat Butler, so Indiana State will not be hosting Butler if they win tomorrow.

 

[fdbird83]

I've watched some of the Iowa game and it's better but still really poor. Iowa had some conference games with just horrible crowds.

Official attendance was 4532. I've seen more people stand in line to get Caitlin Clark's autograph at an Iowa Cubs game.

 

[RedbirdSoxFan]

Official attendance was 4532. I've seen more people stand in line to get Caitlin Clark's autograph at an Iowa Cubs game.

I guess that happens when your standards for your basketball program are NCAA Tournament not NIT

 

[Adunk33]

If we’re willing to go on the road for buy games there should be willing opponents.

Muller briefly embraced an annual buy game, but then seemed to do it less towards the end. Buy games ran contrary to Jank’s scheduling philosophy. Pedon took us to Kentucky, but that probably had more to do with Reeves.

We can play those games, but they’re not exactly easy to win. But our athletic department could probably use the payouts, too.

At the end of the day 0-3 in Q1 in the NET is better than 3-0 in Q3. I'd say try and get bought two or three times in the noncon so you have those Q1s on there, just in case. That said, Pedon hasn't wavered during his time here. He constantly says he coaches his teams to be playing their best basketball in Feb and March. He recognizes the reality that more times than not at this level, you're going to have to win 3 or 4 games in as many days to dance.

INST should've been playing Colo State last night and they would've advanced. That said, my Draft Kings account is happy that UVA was in...the under was never easier to bet.

 

[isuquinndog]

I guess that happens when your standards for your basketball program are NCAA Tournament not NIT

Carver holds 15k. They sold out two home games, Wisconsin and Illinois. Other than Purdue, all their other home games were under 10k.

Yes, relative to us that's a lot, obviously. I'm not comparing them to us. Just saying not showing up to games is happening every where.

 

[ISU86]

At the end of the day 0-3 in Q1 in the NET is better than 3-0 in Q3. I'd say try and get bought two or three times in the noncon so you have those Q1s on there, just in case. That said, Pedon hasn't wavered during his time here. He constantly says he coaches his teams to be playing their best basketball in Feb and March. He recognizes the reality that more times than not at this level, you're going to have to win 3 or 4 games in as many days to dance.

INST should've been playing Colo State last night and they would've advanced. That said, my Draft Kings account is happy that UVA was in...the under was never easier to bet.

and here Bilas has been expounding on how Pitt got short-changed (last year was Clemson, both ACC schools (as is his alma-mater)). If Virginia is indicative of the conference, then no.

 

[fdbird83]

Carver holds 15k. They sold out two home games, Wisconsin and Illinois. Other than Purdue, all their other home games were under 10k.

Yes, relative to us that's a lot, obviously. I'm not comparing them to us. Just saying not showing up to games is happening every where.

Illinois, even though it was sold out, still had lots of empty seats.

 

[cpacmel]

 

[redbirds2000]

We are really, really far from having the talent (1-5) and consistency of teams like Indiana State/Drake.