Norfolk St- Horton Game

[Brick]

Well I wouldn’t know a WP gesture from a hole in the ground. I have always relied on the almighty BIrd. . However I went online to see what this gesture is supposed to be. According to the site it’s supposed to be two fingers on one hand and three fingers on the other and upside down usually. In this case three fingers on both hands so I would presume innocent gesture.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

Well I wouldn’t know a WP gesture from a hole in the ground. I have always relied on the almighty BIrd. . However I went online to see what this gesture is supposed to be. According to the site it’s supposed to be two fingers on one hand and three fingers on the other and upside down usually. In this case three fingers on both hands so I would presume innocent gesture.

This is the only reason I had ever heard of it….

Cubs fan is banned for life after flashing "white power" sign behind black reporter

The Cubs have identified and banned a fan who flashed a "white power" hand gesture during the broadcast of Tuesday night's game against the Marlins. Team president Theo Epstein made the announcement on

www.cbs58.com

 

[BirdGrad2011]

This is the only reason I had ever heard of it….

Cubs fan is banned for life after flashing "white power" sign behind black reporter

The Cubs have identified and banned a fan who flashed a "white power" hand gesture during the broadcast of Tuesday night's game against the Marlins. Team president Theo Epstein made the announcement on

www.cbs58.com

Huh who knew. I would’ve thought of the circle game where you try to get people to look then punch them. Never had any clue about that meaning. Seems like a reach with the photos earlier though.

 

[Birdfriend72]

I hear ya but were you there? I would remind you that the heat started when NFS head coach began marching across the court. It looked like he was coming after a few fans or one of our players. It absolutely looked like that. I'm sure Ryan took offense. I would have. Then, NFS head coach was corralled back...got back to the sideline, then he is the one who started yelling at Ryan. Then he started walking towards Ryan, Ryan started walking towards him and then Ryan completely flipped his lid, which was unprofessional. I will say it didn't feel like Ryan was challenging him to fight. It felt like Ryan, in the moment, was simply standing up for ISU BOLDLY. I'm a mixed bag on Ryan's reaction. It WAS a bad look, yet I'll tell ya...I kinda liked it, too.

Now, NFS coach MAY have had good reason to do so. But in the heat of the moment, and it got hot quickly...it was confusing and competitive.

That's exactly what happened. I thought he was just pissed about something else. I am surprised he didn't bring Thomas, officials, and Pedon together and rationally explain the situation. That would have gotten more of an appropriate response. I guarantee that would have gotten those guys thrown out quicker if it was warranted.

 

[BirdAlum2K15]

So is the coach's show on for tonight? Can only imagine record attendance at BLONO PIZZA CO.

 

[BirdGrad2011]

So is the coach's show on for tonight? Can only imagine record attendance at BLONO PIZZA CO.

I think so? Haven’t seen anything otherwise. I truly don’t understand the push back on Pedon. No matter of something was or wasn’t said he had no clue. Jones clearly reacted as if something was said and was angry. Pedon had no clue and was doing typical coach gamesmanship. The refs failed here by not letting Pedon know and not controlling the situation.

 

[Adunk33]

So is the coach's show on for tonight? Can only imagine record attendance at BLONO PIZZA CO.

I haven't seen anything promoted but Fitz said after the post game interview that he looks forward to talking at BloNo on Monday night.

 

[isuquinndog]

I'd be shocked if they even bring it up unless Pedon wants to make a statement or repeat his apology. Otherwise I'm sure it will not be talked about.

 

[ISU86]

Having officiated at the college level, albeit a different sport, I have some level empathy for Jeff Campbell, Chance Wallesen & Ervin Wilson (the officials Saturday evening).

Even during warm-ups, one could see from the televised feed that some of the Norfolk State students had no concerns about "engaging" with the opposing crowd. At this point, Campbell/Wallesen/Wilson could (maybe even did) have had conversation with the Spartans coaching staff to the effect of "any more interaction will warrant a warning, followed by technical fouls if/when it continues". For whatever reason, they chose to just let it ride once the game started (and probably hoped any sort of storm would not arrive until after the two-plus hours on the court).

The two halves were called differently. Illinois State (7) & Norfolk State (10) combined for seventeen fouls in the first half as opposed to the Redbirds (14) & Spartans (15) combining for twenty-nine fouls in the second half. Jamarii Thomas was chatty in the first half, but our play on the offensive end was so poor (down 9-1 early) it was not a primary concern/focus. In the second half, as ISU started to make inroads and NSU struggled to make shots, Thomas went to "manufacturing" offense (kicking out legs on shots, landing on players after shots) anyway possible and he was getting seemingly every call (there was even a play where he ran into his own player and Luke Kasubke was whistled). We know those leg kicks were fouls, as we witnessed Colton Sandage getting whistled plenty of times last season (apparently it is no longer a "point of emphasis"). The officials (I believe in a belated attempt to regain control the game) also started calling more fouls, with almost of them on the defense. Thomas was playing with house money at that point. Then the "fracas" occurs. As many have pointed out, the officials should have brought the head coaches (Robert Jones & Ryan Pedon) together to go through the storyline at the same time, but the three of them were apparently not on the same page.

I have a partner who loves to say the following, "we are what we allow". Saturday night, the officials allowed a lot (too) much before trying to put the cap back on the bottle a little (way) too late.

I also find it interesting they issued no ejections for players leaving the bench. Their reasoning was they could not tell who was in the game at the time (isn't that what the official book is for ... elimination by subtraction?). Given all of the information at their disposal, and the initiating reason for the stoppage, that should not even be an excuse.

They may have been either overwhelmed or just "over it". Again, I think as the game progressed their end goal was just trying to get out of Horton Field House ... PERIOD ... in whatever manner possible.

 

[GOP_Redbird]

More press. 9.4 Million Followers

 

[gobirds85]

Having officiated at the college level, albeit a different sport, I have some level empathy for Jeff Campbell, Chance Wallesen & Ervin Wilson (the officials Saturday evening).

Even during warm-ups, one could see from the televised feed that some of the Norfolk State students had no concerns about "engaging" with the opposing crowd. At this point, Campbell/Wallesen/Wilson could (maybe even did) have had conversation with the Spartans coaching staff to the effect of "any more interaction will warrant a warning, followed by technical fouls if/when it continues". For whatever reason, they chose to just let it ride once the game started (and probably hoped any sort of storm would not arrive until after the two-plus hours on the court).

The two halves were called differently. Illinois State (7) & Norfolk State (10) combined for seventeen fouls in the first half as opposed to the Redbirds (14) & Spartans (15) combining for twenty-nine fouls in the second half. Jamarii Thomas was chatty in the first half, but our play on the offensive end was so poor (down 9-1 early) it was not a primary concern/focus. In the second half, as ISU started to make inroads and NSU struggled to make shots, Thomas went to "manufacturing" offense (kicking out legs on shots, landing on players after shots) anyway possible and he was getting seemingly every call (there was even a play where he ran into his own player and Luke Kasubke was whistled). We know those leg kicks were fouls, as we witnessed Colton Sandage getting whistled plenty of times last season (apparently it is no longer a "point of emphasis"). The officials (I believe in a belated attempt to regain control the game) also started calling more fouls, with almost of them on the defense. Thomas was playing with house money at that point. Then the "fracas" occurs. As many have pointed out, the officials should have brought the head coaches (Robert Jones & Ryan Pedon) together to go through the storyline at the same time, but the three of them were apparently not on the same page.

I have a partner who loves to say the following, "we are what we allow". Saturday night, the officials allowed a lot (too) much before trying to put the cap back on the bottle a little (way) too late.

I also find it interesting they issued no ejections for players leaving the bench. Their reasoning was they could not tell who was in the game at the time (isn't that what the official book is for ... elimination by subtraction?). Given all of the information at their disposal, and the initiating reason for the stoppage, that should not even be an excuse.

They may have been either overwhelmed or just "over it". Again, I think as the game progressed their end goal was just trying to get out of Horton Field House ... PERIOD ... in whatever manner possible.

Spot on assessment. Thanks, 86!

 

[stielowp]

I am really having a hard time putting any stock in this. If someone caught screenshots of me in the stands, I could be accused of who knows what - without any intention of Hamdonger doing anything wrong!

This really seems ridiculous to me. If I'm wrong I'll stand corrected 100%.

Could this gentleman in the photo possibly been doing the "flopping" motion? I think that is what I remember seeing when I watched the ESPN telecast when I got home. Isn't that also the only thing anyone claims to have heard them saying to #6? If anyone sees me on TV at the game, I just want to confirm it was "not a pick", it was a scratch.

It was a scratch!

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

I also find it interesting they issued no ejections for players leaving the bench. Their reasoning was they could not tell who was in the game at the time (isn't that what the official book is for ... elimination by subtraction?). Given all of the information at their disposal, and the initiating reason for the stoppage, that should not even be an excuse.

to me this was very puzzling...you cant tell me the refs were unable to identify even one player that left the bench when they have a list of players that were in the game. process of elimination. but the remains a side story to what is going down now

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

Could this gentleman in the photo possibly been doing the "flopping" motion? I think that is what I remember seeing when I watched the ESPN telecast when I got home. Isn't that also the only thing anyone claims to have heard them saying to #6? If anyone sees me on TV at the game, I just want to confirm it was "not a pick", it was a scratch.

It was a scratch!

nope...twisted finger buried up to the first finger joint is a pick

 

[TBS_20]

More press. 9.4 Million Followers

There is no such thing as bad press, right? I mean the klan is going to send their kids here for sure.

 

[SgtHulka]

By not responding immediately, we allowed the narrative to be controlled by those who weren't even in the building. Truth and due process be damned.

To be fair, the narrative of those not there is a couple of Twitter chuckle F’s. Not a lot there I’ve seen. I’ve seen lots of quote tweets in our favor since our statements were released and no new tirades against us. Maybe Elon wants it that way

The players seem to be ok with Pedon, so I feel no reason to feel otherwise

 

[Sanantoniobird]

Now you know why I said what I said. Nothing but TROUBLE! I am sure we won't be playing them anytime soon. GOOD RIDDANCE!!!

I'm not quite sure what "these schools" means, but...yeah, this is why we are in this mess.

 

[isutaz]

There is no such thing as bad press, right? I mean the klan is going to send their kids here for sure.

What is wrong with you?

 

[Sanantoniobird]

From what I understand of the investigation, there is some truth to these accusations; though not as "firebrand" as Coach Jones believes it to be. My take: They both should have been ejected; They both behaved badly and both forgot they are leading young men. Oddly, the young man who was taunting for 35 min was the one that had to literally hold Jones' emotions in check. It was embarrassing as a fan, and if Pedon really had an issue with him going on the court (or whatever he first said), he should have been in the ref's cookie jar. I would have respected him more if he was the cooler head. He was emotional because he was losing.

 

[Shaftbird]

From what I understand of the investigation, there is some truth to these accusations; though not as "firebrand" as Coach Jones believes it to be. My take: They both should have been ejected; They both behaved badly and both forgot they are leading young men. Oddly, the young man who was taunting for 35 min was the one that had to literally hold Jones' emotions in check. It was embarrassing as a fan, and if Pedon really had an issue with him going on the court (or whatever he first said), he should have been in the ref's cookie jar. I would have respected him more if he was the cooler head. He was emotional because he was losing.

I think the last sentence hits the nail on the head. Coach knew this was a big game, simply because of the magnitude of the event, not because of the opponent. Great crowd in an historic venue, and there's inherent pressure to play well. We were playing awfully, and I'm sure that added to Pedon's emotions. I don't blame him for being upset that Jones was on the floor, with seemingly nothing being done by the officials to prevent it, but perhaps he reacts differently if we aren't losing, shooting less than 30% and seeing their best player get questionable foul calls in his favor three consecutive trips down the court immediately preceding the incident.

I agree with everyone else that there is no place for any racial slurs. Thomas is obviously a player who feeds off the animosity of the crowd, because I found it interesting that he was staring people on that side of the court down literally after he made his first shot. The refs should have stepped in to calm that down at some point, because he continued to do it shot after shot.

While I agree that Pedon should have taken the high road, I found it interesting that after the final buzzer, not only was Thomas more concerned with waving bye to the fans, rather than going through the handshake line, one of their assistant coaches walked 10 feet out on the floor to wave bye also. I would expect more from someone who should be setting an example.