ISU AD: ‘I’m concerned about edibles’ with student-athletes

[chuckie1980]

I read a local article on the legality of things once January 2020 rolls around and there are so many community variables that can pop up that someone smelling of skunk weed....outside of their residence....could be walking into a worse situation than if that occurred today.

The biggest problem is the inconsistency that revolves on the penalties/freedoms when a person is high in Cali, Colorado, Chicago, IL or Normal, IL. And those inconsistancies will continue in IL into 2020.

 

[isuquinndog]

The NCAA has a no drug rule. That's the end. It doesn't matter what state the athlete is in. They cannot take part in any drug use while a NCAA athlete. It's pretty cut and dry, I thought?

 

[DWRedbird]

My 3 cents:

1. Zero Tolerance policy doesnt mean you get the harshest penalty for committing the infraction, it simply means that regardless of the circumstances you will be punished. If I had to guess the context in which it is used means he is worried if an ISU student athlete accidentally eats some gummies thinking they are real candy and then comes up positive. Then they have to be punished by whatever the rules state.

2. I would bet dollars that almost all schools have a zero tolerance policy when it comes to non-prescription drugs.

3. My guess is the NCAA also randomly tests athletes and they also have a zero tolerance policy as well and the same situation applies.

my understanding of zero tolerance is much different than your view. i think most would agree with the following definition which would be too harsh for many ncaa student/athlete violations, imo

https://www.lawyers.com/legal-info/research/education-law/whats-a-zero-tolerance-policy.html

Thank you for sharing, I was looking for something like this last night, but couldn't pull it up on my phone. The definition (unless I'm not reading it correctly) in my opinion, is more or less saying what I was saying. It enacts punishment (whatever it is that is stated) regardless of the circumstances. The one I saw most often when I was a student/college student becoming a teacher/former teacher, is when a student attacks another student and both students receiving a suspension regardless of whether the defending student threw a punch or not because the schools had a zero tolerance policy on fighting.


For what it's worth the NCAA on it's website states that for the first violation of street drugs(including marijuana) a student athlete gets suspended for 50% of their season, and a second violation is the loss of a year of eligibility, and being banned from participation for 365 days from the positive test.

But they typically won't overrule a school's positive test penalties if the school catches it first. I can't find anything newer, but ISU's penalties from 09 were a remanding for counseling for a first time offense, and a 10% suspension for a second offense, potential boot from the team for 3rd offense.

6. In a first positive, if marijuana, cocaine, amphetamines, or opiates are discovered to be present in a student-athlete, the
student-athlete may be referred to the student counseling center or to a private evaluation and treatment facility. The decision
will be made at the professional discretion of the Team Physician, Director of Athletics, and Head Athletic Trainer. Additionally,
the student-athlete may be required, at any point in time from the first positive urine test until they are no longer considered a
student at Illinois State University, to provide a urine specimen for testing for banned substances. A student-athlete who has
previously tested positive may be required to provide a urine specimen during a period of time when they are not actively
enrolled in a class/classes at Illinois State University (for example, but not limited to, the summer or winter recess periods) but
are still planning on enrolling in classes in the future by virtue of their completion of an online confirmation of attendance or
payment of monies for any following academic term. No prior notice is necessary. The student-athlete will provide a required
urine specimen on demand.

11. Upon confirmation of a second positive test, a student-athlete may be declared immediately ineligible for 10% of the overall
maximum number of contests allowable for each sport as listed in NCAA Bylaw 17 (excluding exhibition contests or foreign
tours). The percentage will be rounded to the nearest whole number. In the event the percentage is exactly half of a whole
number, it will be rounded up. Unless the positive result is under appeal, the competition suspension shall begin immediately
beginning with the next regularly scheduled competition (exhibition games, foreign tours, “practice games”, non-traditional season
competitions, nor “scrimmages” may be used to serve a competition suspension). In the event that any competition suspension is
not served in its entirety during the current competitive season, the remainder of the penalty shall be served at the beginning of
the next competitive season that the student-athlete competes (excluding exhibition games, foreign tours, “practice games”, nontraditional
season competitions, and/or “scrimmages”). If the first positive occurs outside of the traditional competitive season,
the penalty will commence at the start of the next regularly scheduled competitive season.

14. Upon confirmation of a third positive test result for marijuana, cocaine, amphetamines, or opiates, a student-athlete may be
immediately dismissed from the team and lose any or all athletic related scholarship(s).

 

[TIMMY]

Thank you guys. Good stuff. So I don't know the answer to this but can anyone think of an occurrence where this policy was not followed?