Fire Brock Spack

[TBS_20]

could have figured that. But guilty as charged, I do tend to be verbose.

But you just don't seem like the type of guy who would respect people who were born on 3rd base, then score, and claim they hit a home run.

Except, Lujan isn't .. you are.

I once hit an inside the park home run. But, if I'm being honest it was a single with two errors

 

[Reggie Redbird]

A 31-year-old with P5 aspirations and a track record of success is not passing up and MVFC job to stay OC.

I would venture SDSU OC with multiple NC rings is likely to get an FBS OC offer. That is going to pay more than the MVFC HC roles that have come open more frequently: Indiana State, Murray State, WIU (leaving). Just wanted to point out that he may bypass FCS HC entirely.

Sidenote: how InSU hasn’t moved on from Mallory is interesting. Since his 7-4 season after starting 0-11, they are 5-7, 5-6, 2-9, and 1-11. (0-0 in Covid year) That’s a pretty sharp decline, but perhaps next year is either make or break or the end of his contract.

For clarity, what do you define as an “old coach ?” Is there a particular age or mindset? Indiana just hired someone older than Spack. Nick Saban is over a decade older than Spack. Kyke Wittingham a few years older, so are Willie Fritz and Kirk Ferentz. I’m not a Ferentz fan, but he is 44-17 over his last 5 years - all of which were ages older than Spack is now.

 

[TBS_20]

I would venture SDSU OC with multiple NC rings is likely to get an FBS OC offer. That is going to pay more than the MVFC HC roles that have come open more frequently: Indiana State, Murray State, WIU (leaving). Just wanted to point out that he may bypass FCS HC entirely.

Sidenote: how InSU hasn’t moved on from Mallory is interesting. Since his 7-4 season after starting 0-11, they are 5-7, 5-6, 2-9, and 1-11. (0-0 in Covid year) That’s a pretty sharp decline, but perhaps next year is either make or break or the end of his contract.

For clarity, what do you define as an “old coach ?” Is there a particular age or mindset? Indiana just hired someone older than Spack. Nick Saban is over a decade older than Spack. Kyke Wittingham a few years older, so are Willie Fritz and Kirk Ferentz. I’m not a Ferentz fan, but he is 44-17 over his last 5 years - all of which were ages older than Spack is now.

by old I mean old school. The game has past him by.

 

[fourthandshort]

I once hit an inside the park home run. But, if I'm being honest it was a single with two errors

Wait ... are you Zack Lujan ???

 

[Reggie Redbird]

by old I mean old school. The game has past him by.

Thanks, that makes it clear.

 

[CaliRdBrd]

One other note. We had a pretty good team this year that was stacked with young guys and missed having a great season by a total of 8 points over 4 games. It doesn't seem like anyone is worn out by Spack right now as we have lost pretty much no one to the portal. I have high hopes for next year. If that doesn't go well, then he's done, but at this point, I'm pretty optimistic.

Our schedule was very easy though.

 

[CaliRdBrd]

I would venture SDSU OC with multiple NC rings is likely to get an FBS OC offer. That is going to pay more than the MVFC HC roles that have come open more frequently: Indiana State, Murray State, WIU (leaving). Just wanted to point out that he may bypass FCS HC entirely.

Sidenote: how InSU hasn’t moved on from Mallory is interesting. Since his 7-4 season after starting 0-11, they are 5-7, 5-6, 2-9, and 1-11. (0-0 in Covid year) That’s a pretty sharp decline, but perhaps next year is either make or break or the end of his contract.

For clarity, what do you define as an “old coach ?” Is there a particular age or mindset? Indiana just hired someone older than Spack. Nick Saban is over a decade older than Spack. Kyke Wittingham a few years older, so are Willie Fritz and Kirk Ferentz. I’m not a Ferentz fan, but he is 44-17 over his last 5 years - all of which were ages older than Spack is now.

How can you now be a Ferentz fan? He rarely gets 4-5 star recruits yet the Hawkeyes compete every year.
Probably one of the top 3 coaches in FBS over the last decade.

 

[TBS_20]

How can you now be a Ferentz fan? He rarely gets 4-5 star recruits yet the Hawkeyes compete every year.
Probably one of the top 3 coaches in FBS over the last decade.

I'm surprised you like him since he ran a racist program

 

[fourthandshort]

How can you now be a Ferentz fan? He rarely gets 4-5 star recruits yet the Hawkeyes compete every year.
Probably one of the top 3 coaches in FBS over the last decade.

Maybe defensively .. speaking of "Fire Spack" thread ... but I don't think anyone views Ferentz as top 3 FBS this past decade ... not even top 25, other than for longevity maybe. He's competed well on weak side of Big 10 or whatever theyre called now that Pac 10 or Pac 12 is closer to Pac 4 or so.

But Top 3 last decade ? Not seeing it at all.

 

[CaliRdBrd]

Maybe defensively .. speaking of "Fire Spack" thread ... but I don't think anyone views Ferentz as top 3 FBS this past decade ... not even top 25, other than for longevity maybe. He's competed well on weak side of Big 10 or whatever theyre called now that Pac 10 or Pac 12 is closer to Pac 4 or so.

But Top 3 last decade ? Not seeing it at all.

Agree to disagree.

 

[Reggie Redbird]

How can you now be a Ferentz fan? He rarely gets 4-5 star recruits yet the Hawkeyes compete every year.
Probably one of the top 3 coaches in FBS over the last decade.

One doesn’t have to look only at on-field success to be a fan. However, I would view someone like Troy Calhoun as a better coach. I believe they have similar records over the last 3 years. I put a higher stock into Calhoun’s character too.

 

[TBS_20]

I'm surprised you like him since he ran a racist program

I got dislike for the truth?

$4M to be paid in Iowa football discrimination suit; Kirk Ferentz 'disappointed' in result

A lawsuit that was filed in November 2020 claiming Kirk Ferentz oversaw a racially discriminatory culture has reached a settlement agreement.

www.hawkcentral.com

 

[fourthandshort]

Our schedule was very easy though.

just for record, we started very weak but finished very strong playing 5 playoff or top 25 teams, and losing to 4 by total of 8 pts. Massey had us 41st ranked SOS after being in 80's after first 4 games ... this puts us in top 33rd %ile. ... but yes, very weak by MVFC and our own normal standards .. still better than 2/3rds of the FCS.

 

[TBS_20]

just for record, we started very weak but finished very strong playing 5 playoff or top 25 teams, and losing to 4 by total of 8 pts. Massey had us 41st ranked SOS after being in 80's after first 4 games ... this puts us in top 33rd %ile. ... but yes, very weak by MVFC and our own normal standards .. still better than 2/3rds of the FCS.

Are you discussing participation trophies? Losing means coming in 2nd.

 

[fourthandshort]

Are you discussing participation trophies? Losing means coming in 2nd.

thanks for the life lesson, going to try to trademark that and put it on a bumper sticker.

But I was merely providing some SOS perspective. Yes, it was weak for ISU and the MVFC. But it was 33%-ile for all of FCS .. so fairly strong SOS overall actually. We played 4 playoff teams, and 5 top 25 teams. There are at large bids who played just 0 or 1 Top 25/playoff teams. Several autobids.

 

[Bird Friend]

Are you discussing participation trophies? Losing means coming in 2nd.

Since nobody comes in first every year, I guess everybody’s a loser.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

thanks for the life lesson, going to try to trademark that and put it on a bumper sticker.

But I was merely providing some SOS perspective. Yes, it was weak for ISU and the MVFC. But it was 33%-ile for all of FCS .. so fairly strong SOS overall actually. We played 4 playoff teams, and 5 top 25 teams. There are at large bids who played just 0 or 1 Top 25/playoff teams. Several autobids.

Come one 4th… comparing Isu to all of fcs is suspect. When you factor in university profile, enrollment, conf affiliation, athletic department budget, facilities ..etc we have a huge advantage over a significant portion of fcs. We should only be comparing ourselves to the top 30ish or so in fcs. When it comes to football and measuring success ISU prefers to be a big fish in a small pond so comparing Isu to all of the small fcs fish does not seem reasonable.

 

[TBS_20]

Whether it's 1 point or 30 it's a loss. No moral victories at this level.

 

[fourthandshort]

Come one 4th… comparing Isu to all of fcs is suspect. When you factor in university profile, enrollment, conf affiliation, athletic department budget, facilities ..etc we have a huge advantage over a significant portion of fcs. We should only be comparing ourselves to the top 30ish or so in fcs. When it comes to football and measuring success ISU prefers to be a big fish in a small pond so comparing Isu to all of the small fcs fish does not seem reasonable.

Partly fair point. But im not just comparing to all of FCS really .. also pointing out there are teams that made playoffs playing far weaker schedules.

 

[fourthandshort]

Whether it's 1 point or 30 it's a loss. No moral victories at this level.

I find this point totally to be totally void of any logic on any level. Any real fan wants to at least compete.

So lacking any objectivity.