Fire Brock Spack

[DaveBird10]

A 31-year-old with P5 aspirations and a track record of success is not passing up and MVFC job to stay OC.

Not saying he's not a good coach but let's see how does after next year when he loses half of his offense who's 5th and 6th year players.
Ben Johnson is the big name for NFL right now and he's a great young offensive mind but the CHICAGO BEARS ran laps around him on Sunday. The SDSU offensive coordinator is a good one, but guessing he'll get more looks after SDSU loses half the roster who's already old.

 

[TBS_20]

I'd like to think I'm being facetious...but facilities-wise, we make improvements like someone has got one foot out the door. Which is why we get the coaches we get. (not all have been bad, mind you).

sadly brennan had the right idea even though its frowned upon. know your customers.

 

[ISUBird]

Meanwhile, there is an amazing offensive coordinator who is about to win his second straight Natty as the play caller. But, let's pass him up so Brock can finish out the last two years . Makes no sense. Oh, and theyll tell you it's only because he has an old team. We have an old coach

Who is the OC you're referring to?

I'm not an expert on enrollment but our administration, our experts, have been sending signals that they like the enrollment where it is - rightsized. Part of that may be due to the fact that the population of Indiana is growing, and it is not growing in Illinois, so different needs for different situations. Also, when you consider the costs and risks of upfront expansion expenses like increased infrastructure, faculty and staff, it pays to consider how large of a safety net you have at your disposal. Illinois State University has an endowment of over 200 million. Purdue has an endowment of 3.5 billion.
I don't want to make it sound like Illinois State is completely content to just sit still with the status quo because that is not the case. There will be a new College of Engineering soon and the Redbirds will be competing with Purdue and the Univ of Ill. for students in that major. I would expect at least a minor uptick in enrollment related to the new major along with growing fields like Cybersecurity and Nursing.
That may be the plan. Rather than just hope for increased applications due to a higher profile athletic dept., they may be pursuing targeted increases in specific areas of interest.

I believe we are building another dorm and if so that's positive for enrollment.

 

[TBS_20]

Who is the OC you're referring to?


I believe we are building another dorm and if so that's positive for enrollment.

Who is the OC you're referring to? Zack Lujan of South Dakota State

 

[Birgs]

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Who is the OC you're referring to? Zack Lujan of South Dakota State

TBS_20 is his agent. He's been pimping him all year.

 

[Sanantoniobird]

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TBS_20 is his agent. He's been pimping him all year.

ok, that makes sense, I was wondering why he knew his birthday and everything.

 

[fourthandshort]

Meanwhile, there is an amazing offensive coordinator who is about to win his second straight Natty as the play caller. But, let's pass him up so Brock can finish out the last two years . Makes no sense. Oh, and theyll tell you it's only because he has an old team. We have an old coach

Curious how would you know if he is even a good OC .. you seem to be giving him a lot of credit for stuff he inherited.

1. SDSU has had mostly good to very good offenses and defenses for over a decade. They have made the playoffs every year since 2012.

2. He was a very mediocre QB for them from 2014-16, though lost his spot to Taryn Christion in 2016.

3. He has been a coach with SDSU since 2017 as an offensive QC guy. In 2018, he was the RB coach. In 2019 he became the QB coach.

4. It wasn't until 2022 he became OC and retained QB coach duties.

5. He inherited the 2022 offensive reins and roster from his predecessor who was a very highly regarded. OC Jason Eck took HC job at Idaho in 2022. In his 2 years, he turned Idaho from perennial 4-7 program, never better than 3-5 in conference, to a very competitive playoff team his first 2 seasons .. this year being even better than last year. Beat SIU in round of 16 and barely lost in round of 8 after holding the lead for over 3 1/2 qtrs . or would have been final 4 his 2nd season.

6. In 2023, SDSU had like 90% + of their returning starters and stats on both sides of the ball. They have 34 seniors on this squad, many of them are 5th and 6th year SRs, far more than most of MVCF .. that is per AGS posters who know their roster and love to poke the bear on AGS. We lost a lot of guys from 2019 - SDSU kept a lot, and used them 6 years. We had just 8 SRs this year .. next year, as of right now, we will have 23 SRs. That is what the pandemic did to our roster after 2019.

Bottom line, this is a program including the 2022-23 dynasty was built by their former HC John Stiegelmeier, and the offense had lot of help from former OC Jack Eck. He left because the DC got the nod to replace Stig after 2022. And Lujan was fortunate to have inherited all of this in 2022, and then got 90%+ back for 2023. Eck is 46 years old and just became an FCS coach in 2022. Stig is 66 years old and didn't become a D-II HC until he was 40.

Lujan is 28 years old and inherited everything from these 2 prior guys, and others. And youre ready to make him our Head Coach ?? Maybe he will become a good OC in his own right in a few years .. who knows. Then maybe he will become a good HC at some point .. but he hasn't had any defensive experience.

But you want to roll the dice now on this 28 year old, who was born on 3rd base with a running start as OC .. to be our HC ? Just not credible.

I guess you were pretty serious about be willing to swing and miss 3 times.

edit: Again, if Im President and your my AD and you bring me this candidate, I'm thinking I need to fire you before deciding on what to do with Spack and his last 2 years.

 

[BJJ guy]

One other note. We had a pretty good team this year that was stacked with young guys and missed having a great season by a total of 8 points over 4 games. It doesn't seem like anyone is worn out by Spack right now as we have lost pretty much no one to the portal. I have high hopes for next year. If that doesn't go well, then he's done, but at this point, I'm pretty optimistic.

 

[fourthandshort]

One other note. We had a pretty good team this year that was stacked with young guys and missed having a great season by a total of 8 points over 4 games. It doesn't seem like anyone is worn out by Spack right now as we have lost pretty much no one to the portal. I have high hopes for next year. If that doesn't go well, then he's done, but at this point, I'm pretty optimistic.

Agreed ... we need to approach next season as our "all in" season ... just counted 23 seniors, compared to just 8 this past season. Plus we are picking up some portal guys. Got to believe the defense will get back to it's more consistent/dominate ways in 2024 - they final started to emerge and finished very strong at UND. I think we lost 2 productive guys from our defense .. have to look at that closer.

And then just make sure we have the right QBs ready at the #1 and #2 spots, continue to shore up OL, find a productive TE. But right now, we have a lot of skill guys slated to return.

So to the Spack naysayers ... right now, this should be a competitive playoff team next fall. But we have to keep most of our guys .. that is, get at least as many as we lose to portal. Either way ... this is looking like a "no excuses" season heading into 2024 fall.

Now, whether they dump Spack if it isn't, with 1 season left on contract, I'm not saying. But right now ... this is a playoff run roster. Spack and coaches are responsible for making this one happen .. that includes convincing our guys to not test the portal.

 

[TBS_20]

Yup. He's the guy

 

[TBS_20]

But it would be wise to have a veteran presence. Also, we don't know about his recruiting but he can coach.

 

[Redbird222]

TR, I just wanted to address only one point in your post (agnostic of going FBS): Purdue has raised their enrollment every year since 2013, AND have also frozen tuition. I'd think you'd be surprised how affordable a name school like Purdue is, as it is easily competitive to ISU's tuition. They do mention that their increase has been helped by out of state students, as well (to your point of Illinois not growing). My only point is, it can be done and it doesn't have to be done to the detriment of students paying more.

Not only is there enrollment at West Lafayette going up but so are th online only students

Purdue Global, the university’s accredited and affordable online solution designed for the working adult with life experience and often some college credit, but no degree, reported an enrollment of 35,107 for September 2023.

They also have an additional 3.6k online grad students of 12.1k total grad students. I think that the online students may also helping their financial situation.

 

[Redbird15]

One other note. We had a pretty good team this year that was stacked with young guys and missed having a great season by a total of 8 points over 4 games. It doesn't seem like anyone is worn out by Spack right now as we have lost pretty much no one to the portal. I have high hopes for next year. If that doesn't go well, then he's done, but at this point, I'm pretty optimistic.

Reminder to all there are two portal periods the one thats open now and the other starting after 4/16/24 then you will see who's worn out.

 

[Redbirdwarrior]

Not only is there enrollment at West Lafayette going up but so are th online only students

Purdue Global, the university’s accredited and affordable online solution designed for the working adult with life experience and often some college credit, but no degree, reported an enrollment of 35,107 for September 2023.

They also have an additional 3.6k online grad students of 12.1k total grad students. I think that the online students may also helping their financial situation.

Purdue Global is only loosely affiliated with Purdue.

I worked for a company that did admissions for both Purdue Global and several programs at Purdue Online (two different bodies). Purdue Global is formerly Kaplan University and runs a for-profit model hidden by the Purdue name. Credits from Purdue Global DO NOT transfer to Purdue's main programs or campus, nor are the admissions standards at all the same.

You may be right about it being where the money is coming from. They are bringing in an extra $50M a year or so from the global students.

 

[Redbird222]

Purdue Global is only loosely affiliated with Purdue.

I worked for a company that did admissions for both Purdue Global and several programs at Purdue Online (two different bodies). Purdue Global is formerly Kaplan University and runs a for-profit model hidden by the Purdue name. Credits from Purdue Global DO NOT transfer to Purdue's main programs or campus, nor are the admissions standards at all the same.

You may be right about it being where the money is coming from. They are bringing in an extra $50M a year or so from the global students.

Purdue welcomes its most selective incoming class

Purdue University is welcoming its most selective class of incoming students for the 2023-24 academic year, marking a ninth consecutive record-breaking year of undergraduate applicants and enrollments, and another overall record for the number of graduate and undergraduate students. This year’s...

www.purdue.edu

They list Purdue Global on their website. I am not an expert but there is some affiliation by their own account.

"Purdue Global, the university’s accredited and affordable online solution designed for the working adult with life experience and often some college credit, but no degree, reported an enrollment of 35,107 for September 2023."

 

[fourthandshort]

Yup. He's the guy

sounds like youve thought this all the way thru

 

[TBS_20]

sounds like youve thought this all the way thru

You wrote a 14 point essay. I wasn't going to respond to that. In fact, I didn't even read most of it

 

[cubird]

All in the family

 

[fourthandshort]

You wrote a 14 point essay. I wasn't going to respond to that. In fact, I didn't even read most of it

could have figured that. But guilty as charged, I do tend to be verbose.

But you just don't seem like the type of guy who would respect people who were born on 3rd base, then score, and claim they hit a home run.

Except, Lujan isn't .. you are.

 

[crazzymark]

Purdue welcomes its most selective incoming class

Purdue University is welcoming its most selective class of incoming students for the 2023-24 academic year, marking a ninth consecutive record-breaking year of undergraduate applicants and enrollments, and another overall record for the number of graduate and undergraduate students. This year’s...

www.purdue.edu

They list Purdue Global on their website. I am not an expert but there is some affiliation by their own account.

"Purdue Global, the university’s accredited and affordable online solution designed for the working adult with life experience and often some college credit, but no degree, reported an enrollment of 35,107 for September 2023."

4 years ago I wrote saying that Illinois State should do what UCF does online enrollment they can count those as students to get students fees from them and everything that's why they want from a campus of 18,000 to campus of 56,000 in 4 years