How much is the All Sports ticket for ISU students? Used to be $35 for every single ISU athletic event tickets. It was the best deal ever and I was in the band where I go to go games for free anyway.
Adunk33 said:Would it be overkill for someone to request a forum (like a town hall) with decision makers in the Athletic Department? I'm sure many posters would attend. It would be beneficial to let "our voice be heard." Will it get ignored? Who knows. But it is one way to hold them accountable by having a monthly meeting. "Okay, we talked about X last time... what is the progress?" I have seen a lot of people say, "I have reached out to the AD about X or Y, but haven't heard back or was told they are working on it." Changes get made when a united front gets behind a similar issue. Point out what the specific issues are and see if you can get a meeting. Decision makers in the AD should be thrilled at the opportunity to have concerns brought to them to address, because the Athletic Department would not have to go find out what the concerns are.
I'm sure the passionate fans on here combine for enough WSF money to be heard. There is power in numbers. (P.s. Really think Redbird Arena should have a 'Redbird Fan' section where fans can stand as much as they want and no one would tell them to sit. Sell these tickets with the fans who buy them knowing the stipulation for this section. I'll make this item number 1 on the agenda at the First ISU Athletics Town Hall.)
I do not donate enough to ISU to be taken seriously by the AD quite yet. So, if someone was willing to suggest this to ______ whoever, that would be cool. Let me know when the meeting is!
Adunk33 said:Adunk33 said:Would it be overkill for someone to request a forum (like a town hall) with decision makers in the Athletic Department? I'm sure many posters would attend. It would be beneficial to let "our voice be heard." Will it get ignored? Who knows. But it is one way to hold them accountable by having a monthly meeting. "Okay, we talked about X last time... what is the progress?" I have seen a lot of people say, "I have reached out to the AD about X or Y, but haven't heard back or was told they are working on it." Changes get made when a united front gets behind a similar issue. Point out what the specific issues are and see if you can get a meeting. Decision makers in the AD should be thrilled at the opportunity to have concerns brought to them to address, because the Athletic Department would not have to go find out what the concerns are.
I'm sure the passionate fans on here combine for enough WSF money to be heard. There is power in numbers. (P.s. Really think Redbird Arena should have a 'Redbird Fan' section where fans can stand as much as they want and no one would tell them to sit. Sell these tickets with the fans who buy them knowing the stipulation for this section. I'll make this item number 1 on the agenda at the First ISU Athletics Town Hall.)
I do not donate enough to ISU to be taken seriously by the AD quite yet. So, if someone was willing to suggest this to ______ whoever, that would be cool. Let me know when the meeting is!
I'm just reposting this for fear it got buried in the "back in my day" stories, and quite frankly, I think it is a good idea. Over the years, how many threads have we had about this very topic? There is always one or two posters who contact the AD and get no/vague/little response. Force their hand, Redbird fans.
Quinn, the Red Alert pass 50 bucks a year. Student tickets otherwise are 5$ per game.
ricohill said:Adunk33 said:Adunk33 said:Would it be overkill for someone to request a forum (like a town hall) with decision makers in the Athletic Department? I'm sure many posters would attend. It would be beneficial to let "our voice be heard." Will it get ignored? Who knows. But it is one way to hold them accountable by having a monthly meeting. "Okay, we talked about X last time... what is the progress?" I have seen a lot of people say, "I have reached out to the AD about X or Y, but haven't heard back or was told they are working on it." Changes get made when a united front gets behind a similar issue. Point out what the specific issues are and see if you can get a meeting. Decision makers in the AD should be thrilled at the opportunity to have concerns brought to them to address, because the Athletic Department would not have to go find out what the concerns are.
I'm sure the passionate fans on here combine for enough WSF money to be heard. There is power in numbers. (P.s. Really think Redbird Arena should have a 'Redbird Fan' section where fans can stand as much as they want and no one would tell them to sit. Sell these tickets with the fans who buy them knowing the stipulation for this section. I'll make this item number 1 on the agenda at the First ISU Athletics Town Hall.)
I do not donate enough to ISU to be taken seriously by the AD quite yet. So, if someone was willing to suggest this to ______ whoever, that would be cool. Let me know when the meeting is!
I'm just reposting this for fear it got buried in the "back in my day" stories, and quite frankly, I think it is a good idea. Over the years, how many threads have we had about this very topic? There is always one or two posters who contact the AD and get no/vague/little response. Force their hand, Redbird fans.
Quinn, the Red Alert pass 50 bucks a year. Student tickets otherwise are 5$ per game.
I think a forum would be an awesome idea. I doubt it ever happens. A few years ago they sent out the online survey and I remember getting my hopes up for big changes. In the end it was pretty much more of the same.
The problem now is Larry is almost done, Bordner is near retirement, and Matt is probably gone soon. Until those positions move on, I find it hard to believe the athletic department will be proactive enough to make big changes.
I could be wrong, but my impression is the goal is to keep the people that make bigger donations happy and just keep things as they are.
I would be interested in hearing what type of reaction those that have called the athletic department get when they have ideas and suggestions?
Adunk33 said:Quinn, the Red Alert pass 50 bucks a year. Student tickets otherwise are 5$ per game.
Redbirdwarrior said:ricohill said:Adunk33 said:I'm just reposting this for fear it got buried in the "back in my day" stories, and quite frankly, I think it is a good idea. Over the years, how many threads have we had about this very topic? There is always one or two posters who contact the AD and get no/vague/little response. Force their hand, Redbird fans.
Quinn, the Red Alert pass 50 bucks a year. Student tickets otherwise are 5$ per game.
I think a forum would be an awesome idea. I doubt it ever happens. A few years ago they sent out the online survey and I remember getting my hopes up for big changes. In the end it was pretty much more of the same.
The problem now is Larry is almost done, Bordner is near retirement, and Matt is probably gone soon. Until those positions move on, I find it hard to believe the athletic department will be proactive enough to make big changes.
I could be wrong, but my impression is the goal is to keep the people that make bigger donations happy and just keep things as they are.
I would be interested in hearing what type of reaction those that have called the athletic department get when they have ideas and suggestions?
Yes, but once Larry moves on, everything else will. That will be a BIG shift- probably toward youth in the AD office- that one can hope will come with innovative ideas and fundraising plans. Might coincide with an NCAA birth next year (I'm very high on the team next year) and a top 10 finish in football (Also high on them).
It is important to start laying as much ground work as possible now.
isuquinndog said:Adunk33 said:Quinn, the Red Alert pass 50 bucks a year. Student tickets otherwise are 5$ per game.
While not the amazing deal of $35 back in the day, if a student goes to say 3 football games and 7 basketball games (likely for an actual fan) it's paid for. I really think this is an under marketed and under utilized benefit for students.
Course I don't see what parents are given of students. Thankfully I have four more years before that happens.
isuquinndog said:Good points Saxman. Do they still do the message board signs around campus on game days? I thought that was a good step and seemed to make a difference? I know Muller is probably busy on game days but if he could even stand on the quad or in one of the major buildings between classes on a game day to get students to the games, that might be something.
saxman210 said:isuquinndog said:Good points Saxman. Do they still do the message board signs around campus on game days? I thought that was a good step and seemed to make a difference? I know Muller is probably busy on game days but if he could even stand on the quad or in one of the major buildings between classes on a game day to get students to the games, that might be something.
I think they still do the message boards. I’d love to see a survey done of why kids DONT go to basketball games, as well as maybe a question on there about ISU sports in general. Gotta feeling that some of the students don’t even realize they’re going to a D1 school...
saxman210 said:Well, if we're focusing on what the athletic department needs to do better, here are my .02:
ISU Basketball attendance is nowhere near where any of us, nor ISU Athletics, would prefer that it be. Student attendance is down and attendance is down across the board. While I agree with the sentiment that winning is the key, I think there are a few things that need to be focused on in order to get the ball rolling back in the right direction. One of the keys, in my opinion, is that athletics has to know that to get the ship righted, they're going to need to take some losses off the bat to garner interest.
1. Students make college basketball, it's that simple. Foster a good relationship with the students. When I was looking at attending ISU, I visited in the spring of 2003. My choices at the time were Iowa, ISU and NIU. I asked the cashier at Barnes and Noble what the school spirit was like at ISU, having visited Iowa the week prior. Her response was "Yeah...there is none." That has changed, at least somewhat but there's still a lot of work to be done. I don't know who is in charge of Red Alert nowadays, but there needs to be a concentrated effort to get students to games. Work with the University to get buses to not only the dorms but to areas outside of residence halls. Have them pick up at College Station, the Lodge, the Stilts, etc. One thing I keep harping that I want to see is lights for Redbird Arena that make the roof red on a Men's Basketball (sorry girls, let's focus on one problem at a time) gameday. Make known that when the roof is red, Redbird Arena is getting set to ROCK. Make it so students can't say they "didn't know" there was a basketball game.
2. Focus on the residents of Bloomington-Normal, don't worry about getting fans from Chicago. Redbird alums, if they're interested enough in Redbird Athletics like most of the people on this board, will come back to ISU for some games. There are over 132,000 people with Division I basketball in their backyard, there's no reason we can't get 8,000-9,000 to come to a game. Donate 100 tickets per game to each of the grade schools in the area. See if the schools will put something in their "E-Backpack" or weekly letter home to the parents that there are 100 free tickets (first come, first serve) to each game. Foster that relationship with younger families in the area and show that it's a fan-friendly activity that won't break the bank. Parents most likely won't get those tickets unless they plan on going to the game so if all the tickets are taken, they won't be empty seats. I understand that it's going to cost some money (let’s say 600 tickets at $15 per ticket is $9,000) but get those young families in!
3. Tie basketball games into other events. The reason I picked this Saturday's game to take off work, drive my family the two hours down to ISU from the suburbs and go to the game is because it's taste of Redbird Country. Simply put, driving 4 hours round trip for a 2 hour basketball game with a 4 year old and a 5 month old isn't usually worth it...unless there's something else going on. Do something with Normal Children's Museum, have them have an event before the game that families can go to. Every football game has something associated with it (Homecoming, COMMUniversity Day, Family Weekend, etc). I'm not saying EVERY game needs something, but for weekend games, it sure doesn't hurt to have something other than the game to do when a family from Chicago heads down.
4. In-Game promotions need to include the students most of the time. It helps foster that relationship. I haven't been to a Redbird game this year but there hasn't been THAT much grumbling about in-game promotions on the board, so I'm going to assume they're not as bad as they used to be. No need to re-invent the wheel. The athletic department should be going to other games and "borrowing" in-game promotions that are successful there.
Again, those are just my opinions but I tried to give a possible solution to each point I made. I understand that some of these will cost money, but if it builds a fanbase for the future, why not try it?
greenlock said:saxman210 said:Well, if we're focusing on what the athletic department needs to do better, here are my .02:
ISU Basketball attendance is nowhere near where any of us, nor ISU Athletics, would prefer that it be. Student attendance is down and attendance is down across the board. While I agree with the sentiment that winning is the key, I think there are a few things that need to be focused on in order to get the ball rolling back in the right direction. One of the keys, in my opinion, is that athletics has to know that to get the ship righted, they're going to need to take some losses off the bat to garner interest.
1. Students make college basketball, it's that simple. Foster a good relationship with the students. When I was looking at attending ISU, I visited in the spring of 2003. My choices at the time were Iowa, ISU and NIU. I asked the cashier at Barnes and Noble what the school spirit was like at ISU, having visited Iowa the week prior. Her response was "Yeah...there is none." That has changed, at least somewhat but there's still a lot of work to be done. I don't know who is in charge of Red Alert nowadays, but there needs to be a concentrated effort to get students to games. Work with the University to get buses to not only the dorms but to areas outside of residence halls. Have them pick up at College Station, the Lodge, the Stilts, etc. One thing I keep harping that I want to see is lights for Redbird Arena that make the roof red on a Men's Basketball (sorry girls, let's focus on one problem at a time) gameday. Make known that when the roof is red, Redbird Arena is getting set to ROCK. Make it so students can't say they "didn't know" there was a basketball game.
2. Focus on the residents of Bloomington-Normal, don't worry about getting fans from Chicago. Redbird alums, if they're interested enough in Redbird Athletics like most of the people on this board, will come back to ISU for some games. There are over 132,000 people with Division I basketball in their backyard, there's no reason we can't get 8,000-9,000 to come to a game. Donate 100 tickets per game to each of the grade schools in the area. See if the schools will put something in their "E-Backpack" or weekly letter home to the parents that there are 100 free tickets (first come, first serve) to each game. Foster that relationship with younger families in the area and show that it's a fan-friendly activity that won't break the bank. Parents most likely won't get those tickets unless they plan on going to the game so if all the tickets are taken, they won't be empty seats. I understand that it's going to cost some money (let’s say 600 tickets at $15 per ticket is $9,000) but get those young families in!
3. Tie basketball games into other events. The reason I picked this Saturday's game to take off work, drive my family the two hours down to ISU from the suburbs and go to the game is because it's taste of Redbird Country. Simply put, driving 4 hours round trip for a 2 hour basketball game with a 4 year old and a 5 month old isn't usually worth it...unless there's something else going on. Do something with Normal Children's Museum, have them have an event before the game that families can go to. Every football game has something associated with it (Homecoming, COMMUniversity Day, Family Weekend, etc). I'm not saying EVERY game needs something, but for weekend games, it sure doesn't hurt to have something other than the game to do when a family from Chicago heads down.
4. In-Game promotions need to include the students most of the time. It helps foster that relationship. I haven't been to a Redbird game this year but there hasn't been THAT much grumbling about in-game promotions on the board, so I'm going to assume they're not as bad as they used to be. No need to re-invent the wheel. The athletic department should be going to other games and "borrowing" in-game promotions that are successful there.
Again, those are just my opinions but I tried to give a possible solution to each point I made. I understand that some of these will cost money, but if it builds a fanbase for the future, why not try it?
Specifically responding to item 2. Should the Athletic Department only recruit from the B-N area too? Maybe the university should only try to get students from the area as well??
Sorry, for being a bit of a smartass, but this an issue that has been holding back ISU for decades. This is not directed specifically at you, but your comment did strike a nerve. The inability to develop a presence in the Chicago area for athletics hurts in numerous ways....but the most critical is in $$$$. Years ago when I served on the Board for the Redbird Club, the university had less than 50 donors from the Chicago market. How ridiculous is that?? Less than 50 out of approximately 80,000 alums!! But being shortsighted has that effect. I bet that we still don't have a 1% penetration rate for donors in the Chicago market. Why? Because the AD won't make the effort because they can't even succeed in B-N.
Fastforward a few years to around 2009-10 to when my son was attending ISU and the AD had a problem with the students again and were discouraging students from being students and having fun at games. I went to speak to a member of the AD and got yelled at, yes yelling at an alum, donor, season ticket holder of football and basketball and former member of their Board. Why?? Because I didn't understand what they had to deal with in trying to keep the community happy with the students being so crazy. I said to him that it was very short sighted considering they were future donors and alums. I also said that they atmosphere at most of the games was dead and not fun. He told me then that they needed to " get their ducks in a row in the B-N area before we worry about anything else".
And here we are again. Students being reprimanded for having fun...students who probably will never come back again. Now fans are trying to find a way to help the AD to do their jobs....something some of them get paid very well to do. I realize the people here have their hearts in the right place, but these are the same suggestions we have been making for decades only to hear, let's fix it locally first. I hate to say it, but some like the idea of focusing on B-N and keeping ISU small time. I don't and I am sick of it!! Maybe UNI and Drake will be the next schools in the Valley to pass us by and make a name for themselves like WSU and Creighton!!
ricohill said:I have always wondered why they don't have a bus trip from Chicago down for the Taste of Redbird
That was part of the Just The Tip Campaign wasn't it?greenlock said:I bet that we still don't have a 1% penetration rate for donors in the Chicago market.
cpacmel said:ricohill said:I have always wondered why they don't have a bus trip from Chicago down for the Taste of Redbird
They used to have a bus that made stops along 55 on the way to ISU on game days. This was before my time but I know others that took it.