AAC and C USA looking for Chicago market school.

[fourthandshort]

Soldier Field. No “s”.

well as a life long Chicagoan and Bears fan .. thats a little embarrassinng.

 

[fourthandshort]

I'm just surprised that crazzy didn't report the Big 10 came calling for ISU.

I think he cut off one of his "sources" after his scoop about improved attedance from our season ticket holders for the YSU road game ... which is progress !!!!!!!

 

[Virginia Redbird]

Crazzy might also want to remember that CSU doesn't have football . . . so how long are they gonna wait for CSU to get the program up and running?? 'Cuz that'll take years to put something together to become even remotely competitive . . . with D3 schools.

The landscape is different now but in 2009 Old Dominion University started their football program from scratch as an FCS independent. By 2014 they were an FBS school playing in Conference USA. Now they are a Sun Belt member. It was an amazingly fast evolution. No program at all to FBS in 5 years. Truly astounding process.

 

[MadBird]

Well, stranger things have happened. But CSU is and has been a seriously troubled institution financially. 5-6 years ago or so, they were truly facing closure. According to Wikipedia (for what it's worth) CSU's endowment is just over $5 million. The entire endowment, $5 million.

I don't see it. They'd be better off trying to jawbone DePaul into starting football and playing downtown. At least there'd be some dough behind it.

 

[TIMMY]

This is the dumbest thing I have ever read. And I've read a lot of dumb stuff. Chicago State has trouble getting 200 people to attend a basketball game. Football at Soldier Field? When donkeys fly.

 

[CaliRdBrd]

well as a life long Chicagoan and Bears fan .. thats a little embarrassinng.

As a lifelong Chicagoan and Bears’ fan, you’ve suffered enough. You are forgiven

 

[fourthandshort]

As a lifelong Chicagoan and Bears’ fan, you’ve suffered enough. You are forgiven

I waited 100+ years for my Cubs ... but eventually my patience was and will again be awarded ... insert Spack joke here !!

 

[jwa123]

I waited 100+ years for my Cubs ... but eventually my patience was and will again be awarded ... insert Spack joke here !!

You waited 100+ years? How old are you?

 

[fourthandshort]

You waited 100+ years? How old are you?

Well I assume you can do the math, but here's a recent picture of me.

 

[Dmills]

 

[ISUBU]

I simply don't see how they'll manage the scholarships. It seems that the NEC uses 45 scholarships. So Chicago State will be fundraising for approximately 90 scholarships annually to cover Title IX. That is a lot of money. I don't know how it works - perhaps need based federal and state financial aid can reduce the amount necessary to make a "full ride."

While the Pioneer League would make sense for them, the academic profile of CSU is not aligned with most Pioneer League teams. I wonder if the Pioneer would take them.

Perhaps the Birds should play a home game in Chicago each year and become "Chicago's team."OK

 

[CaliRdBrd]

Crazy has been vindicated!

 

[Reggie Redbird]

It seems like they are a better fit for the Horizon over the Summit. Perhaps the Horizon had no interest even after UIC departed. Being in a conference is better for them. For example, their basketball team can cease embarking on as big of a road show.

I would venture an 11-game schedule for CSU would include will 2 FBS buy games each year for revenue plus consider a road FCS buy game against us, SIU, EIU, etc. Or they bring in NAIA St Xavier or some local D2 or D3 teams like their bball teams do. I would have no problem bringing them in like we have PFL teams, Morgan State, or Mississippi Valley St like we have in recent years.

I am guessing their coaches are happy about this. I know several who weren’t happy about their current arrangement.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

I simply don't see how they'll manage the scholarships. It seems that the NEC uses 45 scholarships. So Chicago State will be fundraising for approximately 90 scholarships annually to cover Title IX. That is a lot of money. I don't know how it works - perhaps need based federal and state financial aid can reduce the amount necessary to make a "full ride."

While the Pioneer League would make sense for them, the academic profile of CSU is not aligned with most Pioneer League teams. I wonder if the Pioneer would take them.

Perhaps the Birds should play a home game in Chicago each year and become "Chicago's team."OK

funding scholarships may not be as costly as it sounds on the surface?...since likely no real dollars involved possible for tuition and even housing? CSU enrollment plunged dramatically the last 8-10 years from around 7,000 students to something that may be even less than 1500. as a result i am guessing all types of excess capacity in classrooms and maybe even student housing (does csu have dorms)? such that adding 90 students does not require adding new instructors/classes and there is plenty of empty housing sitting empty. csu will just write off the foregone tuition and housing dollars as contributions to csu athletics ...basically all a cashless accounting transaction for those two (tuition/housing) traditionally expensive items with no added costs.

all that said where does csa athletic department even get the money for the real likely addition incremental $$$/costs such as student/athlete meal plans/nutrition, books, health insurance, and all other costs for having a football team (coach salaries, unis, travel..etc).

at best i am speculating that csu may be so desperate for bodies on campus that they are trying anything/anyway to get more bodies. however i am also skeptical that something else more cynical may be happening as this absolutely makes no sense.

 

[MadBird]

On paper you'd say absolutely no way a school that is in such financial hurt as CSU could undertake, in this uncertain NCAA era, to start up a football team. Totally crazy idea. But then, things are crazy out there. Still, I see no way CSU gets into football.

If "somebody" is trying to stir up a football program in Chicago, wouldn't UIC be a much better target? Bigger student body, more money, more alums with more income from their majors, etc. etc. And I see no way they'd be interested in getting into it.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

On paper you'd say absolutely no way a school that is in such financial hurt as CSU could undertake, in this uncertain NCAA era, to start up a football team. Totally crazy idea. But then, things are crazy out there. Still, I see no way CSU gets into football.

If "somebody" is trying to stir up a football program in Chicago, wouldn't UIC be a much better target? Bigger student body, more money, more alums with more income from their majors, etc. etc. And I see no way they'd be interested in getting into it.

I personally don’t believe this a somebody stirring up football thing in Chicago rather it is another csu-centric shenanigan. But if it was yes uic would make way more sense.

 

[MadBird]

I personally don’t believe this a somebody stirring up football thing in Chicago rather it is another csu-centric shenanigan. But if it was yes uic would make way more sense.

Well, God forbid I should take Crazy's post literally, but the thread started with the statement that two conferences were looking for a school in the Chicago market and "were willing to wait" for CSU. So I "embellished" that a little with the idea that if those two conferences were scraping around and had talked to CSU - which seems at least implied in the idea that they'd "wait" for CSU - you'd think they'd ask UIC if they had an interest. That's all. I totally agree CSU is trying to make a splash somehow, someway with this whole football thing. Couple conferences in on it, maybe, possibly.

 

[fourthandshort]

funding scholarships may not be as costly as it sounds on the surface?...since likely no real dollars involved possible for tuition and even housing? CSU enrollment plunged dramatically the last 8-10 years from around 7,000 students to something that may be even less than 1500. as a result i am guessing all types of excess capacity in classrooms and maybe even student housing (does csu have dorms)? such that adding 90 students does not require adding new instructors and there is plenty of empty housing sitting empty. csu will just write off the foregone tuition and housing dollars as contributions to csu athletics ...basically all a cashless accounting transaction for those two (tuition/housing) traditionally expensive items with no added costs.

all that said where does csa athletic department even get the money for the real likely addition incremental $$$/costs such as student/athlete meal plans/nutrition, books, health insurance, and all other costs for having a football team (coach salaries, unis, travel..etc).

at best i am speculating that csu may be so desperate for bodies on campus that they are trying anything/anyway to get more bodies. however i am also skeptical that something else more cynical may be happening as this absolutely makes no sense.

good analysis .. why on earth would NEC bet on this succeeding ?

 

[fourthandshort]

Well, God forbid I should take Crazy's post literally, but the thread started with the statement that two conferences were looking for a school in the Chicago market and "were willing to wait" for CSU. So I "embellished" that a little with the idea that if those two conferences were scraping around and had talked to CSU - which seems at least implied in the idea that they'd "wait" for CSU - you'd think they'd ask UIC if they had an interest. That's all. I totally agree CSU is trying to make a splash somehow, someway with this whole football thing. Couple conferences in on it, maybe, possibly.

Crazzy was right about James Robinson and now CSU ... that;s twice in Spacks 14 years. That record is even better than a broken clock !!!

 

[Hamdonger]

funding scholarships may not be as costly as it sounds on the surface?...since likely no real dollars involved possible for tuition and even housing? CSU enrollment plunged dramatically the last 8-10 years from around 7,000 students to something that may be even less than 1500. as a result i am guessing all types of excess capacity in classrooms and maybe even student housing (does csu have dorms)? such that adding 90 students does not require adding new instructors and there is plenty of empty housing sitting empty. csu will just write off the foregone tuition and housing dollars as contributions to csu athletics ...basically all a cashless accounting transaction for those two (tuition/housing) traditionally expensive items with no added costs.

all that said where does csa athletic department even get the money for the real likely addition incremental $$$/costs such as student/athlete meal plans/nutrition, books, health insurance, and all other costs for having a football team (coach salaries, unis, travel..etc).

at best i am speculating that csu may be so desperate for bodies on campus that they are trying anything/anyway to get more bodies. however i am also skeptical that something else more cynical may be happening as this absolutely makes no sense.

100%. Makes ZERO sense.