AAC and C USA looking for Chicago market school.

[Hamdonger]

On paper you'd say absolutely no way a school that is in such financial hurt as CSU could undertake, in this uncertain NCAA era, to start up a football team. Totally crazy idea. But then, things are crazy out there. Still, I see no way CSU gets into football.

If "somebody" is trying to stir up a football program in Chicago, wouldn't UIC be a much better target? Bigger student body, more money, more alums with more income from their majors, etc. etc. And I see no way they'd be interested in getting into it.

It's just my opinion here, but I find the proposition absolutely embarrassing given Chicago State's track record and current trending 'dynamics.' If I were anywhere in CSU athletic admin, I'd have a hard time looking anybody in the eye and with a straight face.

 

[TBS_20]

I will be very upset if crazzy is correct and that CSU gets into the AAC without the Redbirds trying to secure that spot.

 

[fourthandshort]

100%. Makes ZERO sense.

Yes, and just so strange that they are pursuing this as if it has any chance of succeed.

So .... are they actually just baiting UIC or NIU or even ISU ?

Think about it ... UIC makes infinitely more sense than CSU, as a starter football program. NIU makes too much sense to stay in MAC .. can't imagine they would give up those rivalries for a slightly better conference .. plus their a/o programs suck.

And therefore, ISU would certainly make more sense than NIU or UIC, though 2 hours from Chicago. While NIU is about 75 mins out. But noone really cares about a presence in Chicago proper. I assume they just want Chicago area .. which we barely fall within.

I think they are baiting someone in Chicago area .. right or no ?

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

Yes, and just so strange that they are pursuing this as if it has any chance of succeed.

So .... are they actually just baiting UIC or NIU or even ISU ?

Think about it ... UIC makes infinitely more sense than CSU, as a starter football program. NIU makes too much sense to stay in MAC .. can't imagine they would give up those rivalries for a slightly better conference .. plus their a/o programs suck.

And therefore, ISU would certainly make more sense than NIU or UIC, though 2 hours from Chicago. While NIU is about 75 mins out. But noone really cares about a presence in Chicago proper. I assume they just want Chicago area .. which we barely fall within.

I think they are baiting someone in Chicago area .. right or no ?

Being within the “Chicago market” is as much or maybe even more about where ISU’s 200,000 alumni and general fans reside vs where the university physically resides ie looking for pockets of eyeballs. Also the combination of how many alums from other conf mates along with Isu alums matters for determine a conference's value within the Chicago marketplace.

Big reason why Chicago is such a marketing lynch pin for the big ten. I think it is their largest media market in the country due to the huge numbers of resident big ten alums College graduates are transforming Chicago. The danger is that it won’t come fast enough.
This article a little dated 2019 and obviously may change with the impending big 10 west coast additions

FYI per this data Isu 6th in Chicagoland for all resident college alums. Suspect NIU will gradually start falling as their enrollment now significantly smaller than at its peak 15 years ago (ie at some point niu alums will die at a faster rate than graduating…boy is that a cold statement). Most Alumni by School in Chicago Area

 

[fourthandshort]

Being within the “Chicago market” is as much or maybe even more about where ISU’s 200,000 alumni and general fans reside vs where the university physically resides ie looking for pockets of eyeballs. Also the combination of how many alums from other conf mates along with Isu alums matters for determine a conference's value within the Chicago marketplace.

Big reason why Chicago is such a marketing lynch pin for the big ten. I think it is their largest media market in the country due to the huge numbers of resident big tem alums

good points .. but still wondering why CSU is even a moments worth of consideration to them ... do you think they are simply baiting other colleges in the area who may have said, no or not now ?

p.s. putting aside, it seems like a rather weak bait/ploy

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

but still wondering why CSU is even a moments worth of consideration to them ?

??? Nec Conf looks like it is basically all nyc extended metro area x Syracuse location. So relatively inexpensive to fly to chciago (southwest) one time a year for each conf sport team. Also coming to Chicago once a year likely a nice planned annual trip for a teams players and fans? So really not a big deal for existing nec conf mates to add chi state and maybe most members line the idea of a trip once a year to Chicago?

Chicago state seem to be always on the road anyway for sports so not certain if nec location is a big deal to them either? My guess is there are not a lot of risks or costs to nec members to add chi state so why not? Gets them another conf member even if it is chi state. Addition may not be a home run but it does not seem to be bad/expensive or risky either?

Hell I have no idea what is logically going on with CHI STATE!

 

[fourthandshort]

I will be very upset if crazzy is correct and that CSU gets into the AAC without the Redbirds trying to secure that spot.

Per below .. curious if you or anyone thinks they are using CSU as bait for someone else, anyone else. There is no way they think CSU is a good idea.

 

[fourthandshort]

??? Nec Conf looks like it is basically all nyc extended metro area x Syracuse location. So relatively inexpensive to fly to chciago (southwest) one time a year for each conf sport team. Also coming to Chicago once a year likely a nice planned annual trip for a teams players and fans? So really not a big deal for existing nec conf mates to add chi state and maybe most members line the idea of a trip once a year to Chicago?

Chicago state seem to be always on the road anyway for sports so not certain if nec location is a big deal to them either? My guess is there are not a lot of risks or costs to nec members to add chi state so why not? Gets them another conf member even if it is chi state. Addition may not be a home run but it does not seem to be bad/expensive or risky either?

Hell I have no idea what is logically going on with CHI STATE!

I was still stuck on earlier rumor floated on AAC and CUSA. Not NEC ... though NEC is certainly far less nonsensical than AAC or CUSA, it is still nonsensical. But yes, Chicago to NY is easy/affordable flight .. just don't get any of it.

 

[TBS_20]

Per below .. curious if you or anyone thinks they are using CSU as bait for someone else, anyone else. There is no way they think CSU is a good idea.

you noticed the AAC prioritized markets last round of realignment. thats why I think there may be some truth behind it. however, CHICAGO STATE?

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

you noticed the AAC prioritized markets last round of realignment. thats why I think there may be some truth behind it. however, CHICAGO STATE?

AAC is FBS football and chicago state/nes which is very weak fcs is suppose to be leverage/bait for something related to the chicago market? Mass confusion is all i got.

 

[fourthandshort]

AAC is FBS football and chicago state/nes which is very weak fcs is suppose to be leverage/bait for something related to the chicago market? Mass confusion is all i got.

Like I said, I was still stuck on trying to figure out if AAC and CUSA were really interested in CSU, or somehow trying to draw interest in others. I might have gotten my wires crossed and too lazy to read whole thread.

 

[MadBird]

Like I said, I was still stuck on trying to figure out if AAC and CUSA were really interested in CSU, or somehow trying to draw interest in others. I might have gotten my wires crossed and too lazy to read whole thread.

I meant to reply to an earlier comment -- go back to the first post, the thread starter, and this whole 3 pages is built on some baloney Crazy threw out there, and its extremely likely there is no conference interest in getting into the Chicago market and no one is waiting on CSU, etc. etc. No one's trying to draw anyone's interest, etc.

 

[fourthandshort]

I meant to reply to an earlier comment -- go back to the first post, the thread starter, and this whole 3 pages is built on some baloney Crazy threw out there, and its extremely likely there is no conference interest in getting into the Chicago market and no one is waiting on CSU, etc. etc. No one's trying to draw anyone's interest, etc.

dang it, that hurts !

 

[MadBird]

dang it, that hurts !
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Yeah, well, I played too, so what can you do? A guy gets carried away!

 

[fourthandshort]

Yeah, well, I played too, so what can you do? A guy gets carried away!

ok, so correcting my earlier post ... Crazzy has only been right once in 14 years ... James Robinson ... so he is not better than a broken clock.

and I'l play this meme one more time ... hell, its month 1 of offseason and I'm bored already

To which Mark replies ...

 

[Birgs]

It's certainly a tough read in gauging what central casting would look for in the "resume" of an expansion candidate. There are some peculiar outliers like directionals East Carolina, North Texas, UTSA; high-profile researchers like Rice, SMU (I know-off to ACC), Temple; likely two Service Academies, then a bunch of either privates or metro campuses a few hybrids (Wichita?, maybe others). None of them, other than Chicago State being a "Chicago Team" for the metro appeal in name alone, does not seem like a bedfellow some of those more Academically-driven institutes would want to have hop in the sack with them.

Then there's the geographic footprint thingy. A weak but embedded NE presence, then a swipe at the Sun Belt states and a grab for some Texas "presence." I know I'm spraying to all fields here with dribbling grounders - much like this thread and the mediocrity (there, yes, I used that word again...look it up) of the AAC.

Maybe ISU and Mo. State or Arkansas-Little Rock seem like they's be ballpark (kinda facillities, academic rep, one more than other), but I'm not even sure there. Hell, wonder why there isn't more talk of the Dakotas there if travel continues to be an afterthought. The emphasis on alumni and interested TV sets/advert $$$ and market presence needs to be mentioned more in this, albeit seemingly farcical, yet uncomfortably entertaining discussion.

Enough diarrhea of the keyboard. I'll go wipe now.

 

[BJJ guy]

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