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I don't think anyone could have asked for more from the two "FCS" guys. Great performance by both Birds and nothing but best wishes for them at their next stops. :clap:
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The one concern I had with Robinson at the next level was top top end speed and agility. Yesterday's big plays connfirmed his top end speed is an issue, in that he was caught from behind on both plays. But his agility inside looked more than strong enough against SR FBS level talent. His field vision/patience and his ability to break tackles will serve him very well, particularly if his agility proves strong enough on Sundays, even if his top end speed hurts him.
Great week and game for Robinson .. his draft stock must have improved.
I didnt see the game or highlights of Kirk, but obviously he did well in getting the defensive MVP while playing for losing side.
Did anyone watch the entire game ?? Someone said something about ISU getting lot of mentions during the game .. is this true ??
Great week and game for Robinson .. his draft stock must have improved.
I didnt see the game or highlights of Kirk, but obviously he did well in getting the defensive MVP while playing for losing side.
Did anyone watch the entire game ?? Someone said something about ISU getting lot of mentions during the game .. is this true ??
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The Bison had a couple guys in the game too, but we took home the hardware. This comment on bisonville brought a smile to my face (JRs first name was correct by another poster, btw)...
Sorry, fourth. I couldn't watch the game. But I'd also sure like to hear what sort of commentary the 'birds got.
Sorry, fourth. I couldn't watch the game. But I'd also sure like to hear what sort of commentary the 'birds got.
ISU grad Josh Tolentino with an article in The Athletic ($$)
https://twitter.com/jctsports/status/1218943395357511680?s=21
https://twitter.com/jctsports/status/1218943395357511680?s=21
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fourthandshort said:
I watched, switched over to some hoops when our guys weren't on the field so may have missed some comments. One of the commentators put up a graphic with his "best interviews" of the week, guys who were impressive, and J Rob was one of 4. After his pass catch and run, as I recall, they mentioned Spack by name and said he's put together a nice program. Talked about J Rob's speed issue but didn't dwell on it. At least once each, they got Kirk and J Rob's names wrong (ie. "Joe Smith just made a play" when the camera obviously showed it to be Kirk or J Rob), but they were complimentary to both when they did things.
Both looked like they belonged. I was afraid Kirk wasn't hitting the run support well enough, I mean, he really looked deep in center field most of the time (I'm sure they directed him to play that way), and he would come up but not "pile on" a tackle, and he missed one coming across the field that turned into a long game, altho it wasn't really "his man", so to speak, he came a long way to try to make the tackle. But both his interceptions were good covers, came a ways to make the pick. Robinson got stacked up a couple times, but the commentators mostly gave credit to good DL plays and not anything he did or didn't do (not following blocking or not making a cut, etc.). Talked about how he looked good catching passes out of the backfield.
Was a nice game to watch for the most part. There was some DIII guy, WR, Kinsey maybe was his name, who got lots of PT and screen time and mentions. Was kinda fun to see.
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100% :text-+1: 40 times don't tell the story. Watch the 60-yard TD run closely and you'll see the move Robinson makes in the secondary to free himself. JR has a DB in front of him. He sells the idea that he is going to break to the left and then quickly veers to the right. By the time the DB gets himself turned around Robinson is gone and he can't quite catch up. Don't blame the DB too much. He played for the Alabama Crimson Tide so he's never seen a RB the caliber of James Robinson.
another look
https://twitter.com/nflnetwork/status/1218669124789796865
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Tremendous performances by our guys. Congrats to both.
Both Luther and JR have very bright futures. Both helped themselves a lot in the last week.
I know JR is going to the Combine but not sure on Luther. Anyone know?
Both Luther and JR have very bright futures. Both helped themselves a lot in the last week.
I know JR is going to the Combine but not sure on Luther. Anyone know?
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No doubt we all hope JR gets drafted. But speed matters to scouts and a good 40 time at the combine and a good pro day workout are a big deal. We've been down this road before.
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Yes the NFL has frequently overlooked talent while focusing on measureables.
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Total Red said:
Lot's of free agents all over the NFL. Sometimes being a free agent isn't a bad way to go. Heck Raheem Mostert was an undrafted free agent now playing for his 7th team. It took a while to find a coach who believes in him and running the skin of the pig.
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Total Red said:
Lot's of free agents all over the NFL. Sometimes being a free agent isn't a bad way to go. Heck Raheem Mostert was an undrafted free agent now playing for his 7th team. It took a while to find a coach who believes in him and running the skin of the pig.
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except he runs a 4.34 :-?TIMMY said:
For most positions ... many NFL scouts also look hard at the 10 and 20 splits, as well as the overall 40. If he has good splits at 10 & 20, then I would imagine his size, field vision/patience, combined with his ability to break tackles and get yards after first hit .. will help his draft stock. The shrine game only showed he can make big plays around the line of scrimmage (run and pass) .. which is what the scouts and reporters were saying during his practice week. Showing it in practice and game, helped his stock for sure .. even though the lack of top end speed was also made apparent.
Too many guys with top end speed don't pan out in NFL because they can't do the other stuff .. all of which Robinson can do well. I read something that said the avg 40 for NFL RBs is 4.59. Coprich ran a 4.49 and barely got a sniff. I don't think NFL thought his skills transferred to NFL level. Robinson is clearly getting much more interest to this point.
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4th I remember the lead up here before the Coprich draft. People had him going long before he didn't.
I hope the kid gets drafted.I love the kid. I'm the one who compared him (in some ways) to Payton. But speed is a big part of what scouts are looking for. Maybe you don't think it's as important as I do. I hope you're right. But if a 4.34 guy from Purdue gets missed. Well I'll just say what I said. Speed matters to scouts and a good 40 time at the combine and a good pro day workout are a big deal. If they were not scouts would just stay home and watch tape.
I hope the kid gets drafted.I love the kid. I'm the one who compared him (in some ways) to Payton. But speed is a big part of what scouts are looking for. Maybe you don't think it's as important as I do. I hope you're right. But if a 4.34 guy from Purdue gets missed. Well I'll just say what I said. Speed matters to scouts and a good 40 time at the combine and a good pro day workout are a big deal. If they were not scouts would just stay home and watch tape.
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TIMMY said:
You might recall better than me, I thought Coprich was just considered "possible draft pick" in like the 5th-7th round.
And I agree wbout 40 time, but do think they have opened their minds some, and now also focus on the 10 and 20 splits too. Obviously, they want burners, but they know there's more to being a RB than that. If they think he has physical skills to rind out 1st downs and tough yards, and they believe he knows how to see field, make quick decisions, and then hit right holes hard .. I think he has a shot .. at least, I'm feeling more optimistic now than I was before he got scouts and reporters talking this past week. I was thinking his lack of top end speed would be an issue for sure. But I was open minded about his agility, but always like his power and field vision.
So yeah, his top end speed is a concern and hurts hime for sure .. but he showed better than I expected this whole week at Shrine practices and then the game .. so I'm more optimistic about his draft potential than I was before this week.
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The UDFA route allows JR to potentially discuss employment with more than one team, hopefully increasing the chances of finding a good fit, right?TIMMY said:
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Worked for Matt Breida and the 9ers.StLRedbird said:
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about 4.6
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I think JR will run between a 4.55 and 4.65 and i don't think it will hurt his stock. I understand that workouts matter but the good GMs will draft more based on ability and production on the field (game tape) and not based on the performance in the Underwear Olympics of Indy (The Combine) or a Pro Day.
I also don't think it's fair to compare him to Coprich. Not fair for either player.
To me the more important numbers for JR will be the short area quickness numbers and he will need to demonstrate the ability to recognize blitzes and be able to step up and stun a blitzing LB. those are the things that will get him drafted and on the field.
just my opinion.
As long as JR does well in the interviews and on the chalkboard he should be in that 4th-5th round area.
IMO strong workout numbers are going to be more important for Luther Kirk. He's a little light for a safety but if he times well and does well in the explosion tests (vertical jump, broad jump, bench) then that will help him tremendously because the question NFL scouts will have on him is how he can hold up as a sub 200 pound safety.
but again......both are good guys with excellent college tape from a program that routinely puts guys in the NFL. those are all things that will benefit these 2 guys.
I also don't think it's fair to compare him to Coprich. Not fair for either player.
To me the more important numbers for JR will be the short area quickness numbers and he will need to demonstrate the ability to recognize blitzes and be able to step up and stun a blitzing LB. those are the things that will get him drafted and on the field.
just my opinion.
As long as JR does well in the interviews and on the chalkboard he should be in that 4th-5th round area.
IMO strong workout numbers are going to be more important for Luther Kirk. He's a little light for a safety but if he times well and does well in the explosion tests (vertical jump, broad jump, bench) then that will help him tremendously because the question NFL scouts will have on him is how he can hold up as a sub 200 pound safety.
but again......both are good guys with excellent college tape from a program that routinely puts guys in the NFL. those are all things that will benefit these 2 guys.
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Danny ... reportedly, the scouts at Shrine all week have already said he interviews well and they like him a lot. Think about how understated and relaxed he is .. in games or in interviews .. dude is so relaxed and unflappable. If he weren't so good, I would think he needed to up his intensity .. but again, he is really unflappable and a good teammate. I think back to games our offense really struggled this year and past years, he just kept pounding into that line of scrimmage .. and never got frustrated with his teammates or coaches. Same thing during great games ... he never got excited or tried to draw more attention to himself after a huge play.
As for comparisons to Coprich, even with very good speed (4.47 was 5th at combine for RBs), Coprich barely got a sniff from NFL. Robinson is likely in the high 4.5's and has all kinds of interest, even before the Shrine week. So they like his running style and size for NFL level .. and I think they already knew his top end speed issues before this week. Given the avg 40 time in NFL for RBs is 4.59 .. I think he will not lose too much interest, assuming he is very close to 4.6 if/when he runs it.
As for comparisons to Coprich, even with very good speed (4.47 was 5th at combine for RBs), Coprich barely got a sniff from NFL. Robinson is likely in the high 4.5's and has all kinds of interest, even before the Shrine week. So they like his running style and size for NFL level .. and I think they already knew his top end speed issues before this week. Given the avg 40 time in NFL for RBs is 4.59 .. I think he will not lose too much interest, assuming he is very close to 4.6 if/when he runs it.