2019 Playoffs
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CaliRdBrd said:
Seems like teams move from FCS to FBS every year, which has watered down FCS football quite a bit. Gone are the days of powerhouses like App state, GA Southern, Western Kentucky etc.... If they had stuck around the Bison might actually lose a game in Frisco every once in a while.
Even teams like Coastal Carolina, Liberty and Old Dominion have left in recent years. If this was the Mid 90s, ISU would be watching the playoffs on the couch.
I’m a little surprised that we’re part of the last four in. I get that we’ve only got one particularly strong win and we’re down our starting QB, and that we have a rather putrid offense, but we were squarely in the conversations for a seed before yesterday. 8-4 and last four in? That seems odd to me.
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Notion that we were one of last 4 in is bullsh-t. Playoff bids are about entire resume .. yes we should have dropped but not from top 8 to bottom 4 ... that is hypocritical of previous positions they've taken about entire resume as opposed to our last 2 games out of 12.
That said, we would have been a week top 8 seed .. oh well.
That said, we would have been a week top 8 seed .. oh well.
They have to build up the mighty CAA since they did such a good job of beating each other up. Towson was a long shot but NHU should have never even been in the discussion. That was just bias from their long streak of being in the playoffs (which they didn't deserve many years).
SIU deserved to be in, but we had the better record and beat them head to head.
SIU deserved to be in, but we had the better record and beat them head to head.
MadBird said:
Not directed at you my friend. The NCAA link you provided states
"Quality and availability of the facility and other necessary accommodations."
https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/4787550-UNDs-locker-room-at-Nicholls-State-will-be-temporary-tents?fbclid=IwAR0sLK5KWoEiCg3WRfM3OfG3RqIHhymjboRg_emuY4ggo9ETjlGcE12a38A#.XdxDl47tUwY.twitter
Come on....
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you are looking at it with bias...the problem is not that we were near the last four in rather the problem was we were overrated when ranked really high hence the terrible loss in the last week. Look at our resume this year... unimpressive other than one big win which was overshadowed by a horrible loss and a couple of beat downs. “F” SIU and the MVFC...this is the ncaa tourney and every team is on their own. It makes sense in FBS to be for Conf mates as there is revenue sharing...although try finding a mich or THE OSU fans that cheer for the other! There is no money in FCS hence why teams choose to not participate in the playoffs (ivy or some hbcu) or even a portion of the division chooses to participate at a significant disadvantage (pioneer). Spack needs to pull a rabbit out of his hat and win a couple of games so that we can prove that we should have been rated higher or near a seed. Until then we are in the right area, imofourthandshort said:
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ChiRedbirdfan said:
I may have not stated my point very welll .. many other teams had weak wins and a weak loss. That ours occurred in final 2 weeks was obviously weighin on committee's mind ... and got more weight than it should have. Ultimately, it doesnt matter .. we barely deserved seed consideration before and certainly fell off when Davis went down. But the idea that we went from possible top 8 seed going into YSU game, and fell to last 4 in because we lost to YSU is what makes no sense at all.
ChiRedbirdfan said:
The Ivy League doesn't participate in the playoffs to avoid the overemphasis of athletics over academics. They also play a 10 game regular season instead of 12.
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Total Red said:
OK...how do you reconcile that bs when all other Ivy sports participate in the ncaa tourneys? It is due to a lack of prestige and $$$$s associated with FCS football. There is nothing to gain playing in FCS playoffs for the Ivies.Those universities would not be caught dead rolling into Fargo, vermillion...etc.
Total Red said:
No BS. There is more prestige in the NCAA basketball tourney than the FCS playoffs. But in addition to the focus on academics the Ivy League schools are also more mindful of reducing football injuries with teams not even tackling in practices during the season. It's not about $$$.
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Total Red said:
TR .. not sure I agree. My sense is it has more to do with them trying to preserve their "greatness" historically .. like many many decades ago though. And playing in FCS playoffs and risking losing and proving they are no longer that competitive is more the reason. Their arguments for not competing (academics, etc) just don't jive with their decisions to participate in NCAA tourney AND NIT tourney .. plus a couple years ago they started their own Ivy playoffs. It is BS argument in football when compared to their postseason decisions in basketball and other sports.
I just don't buy it.
fourthandshort said:
“The Ivy League presidents are not interested in allowing participation [in] the NCAA Division I Football Championship for several reasons, including its potential impact on academics with a schedule that extends into December and early January,” Ivy League Executive Director Robin Harris said. “[Ivy presidents] value Ivy League football as it currently exists and also believe the focus should be on the regular season in football, and that the traditions and the history of Ivy League football should be paramount.”
Postseason still unlikely for Ivy League football
After this past football season, No. 20 Harvard and No. 23 Dartmouth both finished ranked in the Football Championship Subdivision after winning a shared Ivy League championship with the University of Pennsylvania.
yaledailynews.com
Ok don't take my word or their word for it. Believe what you want. There are some that would like to see football compete in the playoffs but they have not been influential enough. You're right that the "greatness" of Ivy League football existed long ago - before the FCS playoffs came into being. They made a conscious decision to de-emphasize football. But even if they are avoiding the playoffs to preserve some historic "greatness" it isn't about money. That was my objection.
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Total Red said:
This was an interesting story in the NY Times regarding the Ivy League and its focus on reducing head trauma injuries in the Ivy League Football programs. The coaches all agreed to eliminate tackling from practice drills in 2016. Read the article and it is pretty apparent that they are serious as a league to reduce the instances of brain trauma and other injuries. I don't know if that factors into why they choose not to participate in the FCS Football playoffs but these type of injuries do not get the attention and publicity in other sports as they do in football. That could be why they participate in other sports in the playoffs but not in football. I would be inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt that they don't wish to expose their players to additional games and additional hits.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/02/sports/ncaafootball/ivy-league-moves-to-eliminate-tackling-at-practices.html
Fine - let the snobs of the Ivy League continue to think they are better than any one else - there is a term for those type - pompous. State whatever reason they want - just so they keep it in the New England and Mid-Atlantic states and do NOT TRY to force it on everyone else - like they attempt to do in other avenues of life.
Virginia Redbird said:
ChiRedbird and fourth do have a legit point when they ask why the Ivy would allow postseason competition in other sports if academics was the priority so thanks to you Virg for posting this because it does help explain why the Ivy doesn't want to play postseason football.
In addition I have a long-time acquaintance that is a faculty member at Penn. He and I have had several discussions about college football from which I've obtained insight into the Ivy League perspective. Overall the Ivy likes athletics and they see it as contributing to the overall academic picture. It's that whole healthy body, healthy mind thing. But football isn't part of that. They look at football and see a violent game with injuries - just a bunch of cave men beating each other with clubs if you will. Not everyone feels this way but most of the Presidents, administrators, board members and faculty do. So don't look for the Ivy League to join the FCS playoffs anytime soon if ever. Right now you're lucky to get a 10 game season. Many higher ups in the Ivy would be fine with abolishing football altogether.
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University of Chicago is of the same mindset as the Ivy League. They were in the Big 10, Amos Alonzo Stagg coached there for 40 years and they had the first Heisman winner. They got rid of football and left the Big 10 at some point and brought it back in the 60's. Now they're D3.
Ivy League wants to keep the focus on the big game: Harvard vs Yale. That's what it's all about. They've admitted as much. Playoff games after the big game would appear to diminish it, or wouldn't be interesting. Either way, they're out.
It's pretty much the same argument from the historically black colleges. They perceive the Celebration bowl as a bigger and more lucrative prize than the playoffs. They could play that earlier, but again, they see it as bigger than the playoffs.
It's pretty much the same argument from the historically black colleges. They perceive the Celebration bowl as a bigger and more lucrative prize than the playoffs. They could play that earlier, but again, they see it as bigger than the playoffs.
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MEAC recently started a Celebration Bowl for HBCU conferences .. and it does very well with attendance and fan fare. But can't help but assume it is for essentially the same reason. They have not been competitive in a long while within FCS ranks.ISUBU said:
Back to Ivy .. I might be willing to partly accept the brain trauma thing, I just doubt it is really the main reason or they would cancel football altogether like U of C. But the whole academic argument rings so hollow and hypocritical.
First ...Their basketball conference just added a conference playoff ... pause for effect ...... just did this couple years ago. This is in addition to their very willing participation in both the NCAA and NIT tourneys .. all of which have potential to extend the season by multiple games and weeks for multiple teams.
Second .. how many of their football teams would even make FCS playoffs ? 2018 was an good year for them, but most years they would be a 1 bid league, in a good year maybe 2 teams. And how many games would that 1 or occasional 2 teams even win .. again 1 maybe 2 teams would play 1 maybe 2 games. So call it a range of 1 to 4 extra games across all 10 teams .. call it an average of maybe 2 extra games per year.
So ... 2 more games per season on top of the existing 100 games .. Head trauma ??? Academics ???
Again, I just don't buy it at all.