2-15: VU (Pick/139.5) @ ISU on FSMW/NBCSC

[Loyl2u]

i apologize if this should go under another topic, but I’m really unhappy about what I just heard on post-game

I’ll do the +/- tomorrow, but I can tell you that for the vast majority of first half, Birds played 2 bigs(Fisher, Ndiaye, Idowu, Bruninga) .

In the second half, coaching staff started 4 guards and went that way until the Birds had squandered the entire lead. They finally made change back to Rey and Fisher and actually got lead back before Torres( who’d they’d played Donnelly in place of all night until crunch time) , Copeland and Reeves all turned the ball over out front- they had Horne standing in the corner. everybody knows what happens when you put those guys in ball handling roll.

Then HC said on post game That Bruninga and Ndiaye didn’t play well when they were in ( compared to who), he didn’t know where Hillsman’s head was and the players just don’t know how to play with the lead.

what I think HC should have said was “ we had a great game plan that worked very effectively in the first half” , the coaching staff was concerned about changes our opponents would make for second half and our adjustment didn’t allow us to defend the basket well with 4 guards on the floor. they got tons of looks down the lane and We should have switched back much sooner- this one is on me.

If you have a winning program, you can lean on your players, but these guys have no confidence as it is, without that kind of blame game.

Sorry for the rant. Feel really bad for players tonight because this was the first game that they should have won. The continuing desire to prove that the 4 wing can work and stuff like sitting Ndiaye because he”s “not physical enough”, when the team is successful with him on the court is just nonsensical.

 

[WoodlandWarrior]

Just an embarrassment to watch the poor ball handling at the end. We don’t have the coach and frankly, we don’t have the right mix of players. And the ineligible players from last year supposedly gave Milik and the boys fits in practice? Seriously?

 

[SoCalRedbird]

Wow. What an electrifying first half in front of the 1000 point club! And then we completely don't show up.

Unbelievably typical. Damn.

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[FriscoBird90]

"Then HC said on post game That Bruninga and Ndiaye didn’t play well when they were in ( compared to who), he didn’t know where Hillsman’s head was and the players just don’t know how to play with the lead."

His teams having blown double-digit leads many times over the course of many seasons with different personnel in uniform, one might suggest he doesn't know how to coach with the lead.

 

[ricohill]

This is nothing new. Dan has blown games for 8 years. I don’t even understand why people are surprised?

 

[Redbird222]

3 offensive turnovers first half = 43 points

13 turnovers in a half = 19 points

 

[Redbird222]

Dan's responsible because he recruited the players but the players blew it.

We have to be one of the worse 2 point shooting teams in the nation.

How many steals did Valpo have for layups? Dumb fouls to start the second half.

So disappointed.

 

[Redbird222]

i apologize if this should go under another topic, but I’m really unhappy about what I just heard on post-game

I’ll do the +/- tomorrow, but I can tell you that for the vast majority of first half, Birds played 2 bigs(Fisher, Ndiaye, Idowu, Bruninga) .

In the second half, coaching staff started 4 guards and went that way until the Birds had squandered the entire lead. They finally made change back to Rey and Fisher and actually got lead back before Torres( who’d they’d played Donnelly in place of all night until crunch time) , Copeland and Reeves all turned the ball over out front- they had Horne standing in the corner. everybody knows what happens when you put those guys in ball handling roll.

Then HC said on post game That Bruninga and Ndiaye didn’t play well when they were in ( compared to who), he didn’t know where Hillsman’s head was and the players just don’t know how to play with the lead.

what I think HC should have said was “ we had a great game plan that worked very effectively in the first half” , the coaching staff was concerned about changes our opponents would make for second half and our adjustment didn’t allow us to defend the basket well with 4 guards on the floor. they got tons of looks down the lane and We should have switched back much sooner- this one is on me.

If you have a winning program, you can lean on your players, but these guys have no confidence as it is, without that kind of blame game.

Sorry for the rant. Feel really bad for players tonight because this was the first game that they should have won. The continuing desire to prove that the 4 wing can work and stuff like sitting Ndiaye because he”s “not physical enough”, when the team is successful with him on the court is just nonsensical.

I heard the postgame show and I dont recall Dan calling out Ndiaye but I may have missed. He defintely mentioned Bruniga who I actually thought played well defensively on the first half and rebounded. He said the bench was short because Boyd was hurt. Later I also thought he said Ndiaye was hurt.

Taylor defintely played in the second half during their run.

Do they +/- by half? I would be curious how that would look.

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

What a fantastic disaster. I had a group of friends over watching the game.

At halftime they said “how does isu only have 8 wins.”

At the end of the game they understood and asked how the coach is so clueless. Isu basketball is a complete joke and anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron

 

[DWRedbird]

I heard the postgame show and I dont recall Dan calling out Ndiaye but I may have missed. He defintely mentioned Bruniga who I actually thought played well defensively on the first half and rebounded. He said the bench was short because Boyd was hurt. Later I also thought he said Ndiaye was hurt.

Taylor defintely played in the second half during their run.

Do they +/- by half? I would be curious how that would look.

He did call out Ndiaye which annoyed the hell out of me. I believe he said something like "He didn't give us a lot tonight" which I'm not sure how he would know in the 6 minutes that he played him. I would say that Dan has to figure this stuff out but it's been 8 years now, he isn't figuring shit out at this point.

Couple of other thoughts:

--This game put our whole Jekyll and Hyder persona on display. The first half was arguably the best half of basketball I've seen us play this year, and the 2nd half was the worst I've seen us play this year.

--The first half our offense went to the basketball, driving and kicking out, passing down low, less just dribbling at the top. The second half we drug everything away from the basket, dribbled too much, and shot a ton of threes. It should tell our coaching staff something.

--Fisher missing 8 or 9 shots at the basket was a gut punch. He needs to put those shots in the bucket.

--I thought DJ played pretty well all game and tried to keep us going in the second half.

--Still don't understand why Ndiaye didn't play more than 6 minutes. Especially in the second half when we could have used a help defender on those drives to the bucket.

--Did anyone else see the Valpo player hit the ball out of Hillsman's hands when he was taking it out in the second half? From my angle that was an easy tech/call, but I'm curious if anyone else saw something different.

--Hopefully our propensity for throwing the ball away changes going into next year.

 

[Birdswin]

I would agree with the sentiments of others - the post-game interview was another head-scratcher. Loyl2U summed it up very well - we changed personnel mix and got embarrassed. Not playing Ndiaye in the second half is very strange. Also, putting in Torres for the first time at 7:53? Who does that as a coach - first time putting in a player that late, when it is not due to fouls or injury. Very disappointing and frustrating.

 

[Loyl2u]

I heard the postgame show and I dont recall Dan calling out Ndiaye but I may have missed. He defintely mentioned Bruniga who I actually thought played well defensively on the first half and rebounded. He said the bench was short because Boyd was hurt. Later I also thought he said Ndiaye was hurt.

Taylor defintely played in the second half during their run.

Do they +/- by half? I would be curious how that would look.

Below is +/- including 1st half/2nd half breakdown-sorry I cant get tables to format any better as text, any suggestions appreciate.

In the first half, Hillsman was +5 when he played the #3 spot, +1 in the #4 spot. In 2nd half, Hillsman only played #4 spot and was -13.

No doubt Taylor and Rey played in the 2nd half, but mostly without another Forward in game and Hillsman playing the #4 spot.
The first half, the teamed played 15:32 with 2 Forwards(either Ndiaye, Fisher, Bruninga or Idowu); the 2nd half 8:44 w/2 Forwards

HC definitely called out Ndiaye as well as Bruninga, Hillsman and the rest of the team. I'm sorry, but these are 19-22 year old kids. Do they make mistakes, of course . Are they trying to win, absolutely and nobody is more disappointed/frustrated than them. Coaches are well paid and ultimately it is their responsibility to put together a team; put that team in roles where they can succeed; provide guidance to help them succeed and take responsibility for failures. I've not voiced a desire to terminate HC, but I'm tremendously disappointed in his statements last night


1st 2nd TTL TTL min
Player +/- +/- min
Ndiaye -1 na -1 9
Hillsman 6 -13 -7 30
Idowu 9 -4 5 5
Bruninga 8 -5 3 11
Horne 11 -19 -8 34
Copeland 17 -25 -8 36
Fisher 7 -20 -13 32
Reeves 2 -21 -19 22
Donnelly 7 -4 3 7
Boyd 10 na 10 14



ISU VALPO #2 RUN TM run scr +/-
20:00
Horne Copeland Hillsman Fisher Ndiaye 15:02 4-9 +5 04:58
Horne Copeland Reeves Hillsman Bruninga 14:11 4-9 0 00:51
Horne Reeves Boyd Hillsman Bruninga 12:50 4-9 0 01:21
Donnelly Reeves Boyd Fisher Bruninga 11:48 7-11 -1 01:02
Donnelly Copeland Boyd Fisher Bruninga 10:19 7-19 +8 01:29
Horne Copeland Boyd Hillsman Fisher 09:52 7-19 0 00:27
Horne Copeland Reeves Hillsman Fisher 09:17 9-21 0 00:35
Horne Copeland Reeves Fisher Ndiaye 08:00 15-21 -6 01:17
Horne Copeland Boyd Fisher Bruninga 05:34 21-28 +1 02:26
Horne Copeland Boyd Hillsman Fisher 04:47 21-28 0 00:47
Horne Copeland Boyd Fisher Idowu 04:26 21-29 +1 00:21
Horne Reeves Boyd Hillsman Fisher 03:59 21-30 +1 00:27
Horne Copeland Reeves Fisher Idowu 02:28 26-33 -2 01:31
Horne Copeland Reeves Bruninga Idowu 00:00 26-43 +10 02:28 15:32 2F/3G

2nd half
Horne Copeland Reeves Hillsman Fisher 19:11 27-43 -2 00:49
Horne Copeland Reeves Fisher Idowu 16:44 31-47 -1 02:27
Donnelly Copeland Reeves Fisher Bruninga 15:42 32-47 -1 01:02
Donnelly Copeland Reeves Hillsman Bruninga 14:48 35-47 -3 00:54
Horne Donnelly Reeves Hillsman Bruninga 13:42 36-49 +2 01:06
Horne Copeland Reeves Hillsman Fisher 12:56 36-49 0 00:46
Horne Copeland Reeves Hillsman Idowu 11:52 38-49 -2 01:04
Horne Copeland Reeves Fisher Idowu 10:46 40-49 -2 01:06
Horne Copeland Reeves Fisher Bruninga 09:39 43-49 -3 01:07
Horne Copeland Reeves Hillsman Fisher 07:52 47-49 -4 01:47
Torres Horne Copeland Hillsman Fisher 03:15 57-57 -2 04:37
Torres Horne Copeland Fisher Idowu 03:02 57-57 0 00:13
Horne Copeland Reeves Fisher Idowu 00:13 63-62 -1 02:49
Horne Copeland Reeves Hillsman Fisher 00:01 65-62 -2 00:12
Horne Copeland Reeves Torres Fisher 00:00 65-62 -2 00:01 08:44 2F/3G

 

[Redbird222]

I heard the postgame show and I dont recall Dan calling out Ndiaye but I may have missed. He defintely mentioned Bruniga who I actually thought played well defensively on the first half and rebounded. He said the bench was short because Boyd was hurt. Later I also thought he said Ndiaye was hurt.

Taylor defintely played in the second half during their run.

Do they +/- by half? I would be curious how that would look.

Below is +/- including 1st half/2nd half breakdown-sorry I cant get tables to format any better as text, any suggestions appreciate.

In the first half, Hillsman was +5 when he played the #3 spot, +1 in the #4 spot. In 2nd half, Hillsman only played #4 spot and was -13.

No doubt Taylor and Rey played in the 2nd half, but mostly without another Forward in game and Hillsman playing the #4 spot.
The first half, the teamed played 15:32 with 2 Forwards(either Ndiaye, Fisher, Bruninga or Idowu); the 2nd half 8:44 w/2 Forwards

HC definitely called out Ndiaye as well as Bruninga, Hillsman and the rest of the team. I'm sorry, but these are 19-22 year old kids. Do they make mistakes, of course . Are they trying to win, absolutely and nobody is more disappointed/frustrated than them. Coaches are well paid and ultimately it is their responsibility to put together a team; put that team in roles where they can succeed; provide guidance to help them succeed and take responsibility for failures. I've not voiced a desire to terminate HC, but I'm tremendously disappointed in his statements last night


1st 2nd TTL TTL min
Player +/- +/- min
Ndiaye -1 na -1 9
Hillsman 6 -13 -7 30
Idowu 9 -4 5 5
Bruninga 8 -5 3 11
Horne 11 -19 -8 34
Copeland 17 -25 -8 36
Fisher 7 -20 -13 32
Reeves 2 -21 -19 22
Donnelly 7 -4 3 7
Boyd 10 na 10 14



ISU VALPO #2 RUN TM run scr +/-
20:00
Horne Copeland Hillsman Fisher Ndiaye 15:02 4-9 +5 04:58
Horne Copeland Reeves Hillsman Bruninga 14:11 4-9 0 00:51
Horne Reeves Boyd Hillsman Bruninga 12:50 4-9 0 01:21
Donnelly Reeves Boyd Fisher Bruninga 11:48 7-11 -1 01:02
Donnelly Copeland Boyd Fisher Bruninga 10:19 7-19 +8 01:29
Horne Copeland Boyd Hillsman Fisher 09:52 7-19 0 00:27
Horne Copeland Reeves Hillsman Fisher 09:17 9-21 0 00:35
Horne Copeland Reeves Fisher Ndiaye 08:00 15-21 -6 01:17
Horne Copeland Boyd Fisher Bruninga 05:34 21-28 +1 02:26
Horne Copeland Boyd Hillsman Fisher 04:47 21-28 0 00:47
Horne Copeland Boyd Fisher Idowu 04:26 21-29 +1 00:21
Horne Reeves Boyd Hillsman Fisher 03:59 21-30 +1 00:27
Horne Copeland Reeves Fisher Idowu 02:28 26-33 -2 01:31
Horne Copeland Reeves Bruninga Idowu 00:00 26-43 +10 02:28 15:32 2F/3G

2nd half
Horne Copeland Reeves Hillsman Fisher 19:11 27-43 -2 00:49
Horne Copeland Reeves Fisher Idowu 16:44 31-47 -1 02:27
Donnelly Copeland Reeves Fisher Bruninga 15:42 32-47 -1 01:02
Donnelly Copeland Reeves Hillsman Bruninga 14:48 35-47 -3 00:54
Horne Donnelly Reeves Hillsman Bruninga 13:42 36-49 +2 01:06
Horne Copeland Reeves Hillsman Fisher 12:56 36-49 0 00:46
Horne Copeland Reeves Hillsman Idowu 11:52 38-49 -2 01:04
Horne Copeland Reeves Fisher Idowu 10:46 40-49 -2 01:06
Horne Copeland Reeves Fisher Bruninga 09:39 43-49 -3 01:07
Horne Copeland Reeves Hillsman Fisher 07:52 47-49 -4 01:47
Torres Horne Copeland Hillsman Fisher 03:15 57-57 -2 04:37
Torres Horne Copeland Fisher Idowu 03:02 57-57 0 00:13
Horne Copeland Reeves Fisher Idowu 00:13 63-62 -1 02:49
Horne Copeland Reeves Hillsman Fisher 00:01 65-62 -2 00:12
Horne Copeland Reeves Torres Fisher 00:00 65-62 -2 00:01 08:44 2F/3G

I heard the post game on WJBC while driving home and I just saw the post game interview on goredbirds. On WJBC he mentioned Bruniga, upperclassman, Boyd injury and short bench. In press postgame he defintely called out Ndiaye and Hillsman (when asked a question about passing up shots)
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I actually thought Ndiaye played well the opening 5 minutes. The second rotation was not good but I didn't think it warranted no further playing time. I thought the reduced time was due to his ankle which he appeared to hurt at the end of his first rotation. Dan noted Rey playing well and Ndiaye not being physical the last two games were the reasons Ndiaye didn't play. At times I actually thought Taylor had his best game defensively and rebounding. Offensively he was off and had a few really bad shots in the second half ... but so did a few other folks.

I understand the criticism of his comments but honestly I have heard a lot worse from him and other coaches. I do think he his piss poor when players are waffling with confidence. Instead of being inspiring or lifting them up he leans more towards being punitive.

 

[JHBird]

I don't get the criticism by the coach on Ndiaye. He's the only guy who can change an opponent's shot. One guy drove the lane and Ndiaye forced him into a airball from 5 feet. He has way more potential than Brunniga or Rey. If he gets more minutes it will pay off sooner than later. He just needs to have a good scoring game to gain some confidence. That 3 he hit looked like pretty smooth to me.

 

[Loyl2u]

I heard the post game on WJBC while driving home and I just saw the post game interview on goredbirds. On WJBC he mentioned Bruniga, upperclassman, Boyd injury and short bench. In press postgame he defintely called out Ndiaye and Hillsman (when asked a question about passing up shots)
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I actually thought Ndiaye played well the opening 5 minutes. The second rotation was not good but I didn't think it warranted no further playing time. I thought the reduced time was due to his ankle which he appeared to hurt at the end of his first rotation. Dan noted Rey playing well and Ndiaye not being physical the last two games were the reasons Ndiaye didn't play. At times I actually thought Taylor had his best game defensively and rebounding. Offensively he was off and had a few really bad shots in the second half ... but so did a few other folks.

I understand the criticism of his comments but honestly I have heard a lot worse from him and other coaches. I do think he his piss poor when players are waffling with confidence. Instead of being inspiring or lifting them up he leans more towards being punitive.
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If I’d thought the Player criticism was accurate, I’d probably not called it out, even though I don’t think that public rebukes are helpful for a team that has struggled as mightily as this one.

I think your review of both Ndiaye and Bruninga’s court time is spot on and that is why I felt HC statements felt so out of line. I have been unapologetic in my support for Rey this season and it was great to see him get a chance to play more than 3 minutes in a game, both Ndiaye and he really need another mobile big( Fisher/Bruninga) on the floor with him and in turn, both Fisher/Bruninga do better if they are not responsible to play against the #5 spot.

The +/- for previous Valpo game and 1st half of this game shows that the team was more successful with 2 forwards on floor, yet the staff elected to put 4 guards out in the second half and stay with it for a majority of 2nd half- (not because players weren’t available- Ndiaye/ Bruninga and Fisher/Idowu could have easily split time)- sorry but pretty strong case that the loss was due to coaching decision

 

[Loyl2u]

I heard the postgame show and I dont recall Dan calling out Ndiaye but I may have missed. He defintely mentioned Bruniga who I actually thought played well defensively on the first half and rebounded. He said the bench was short because Boyd was hurt. Later I also thought he said Ndiaye was hurt.

Taylor defintely played in the second half during their run.

Do they +/- by half? I would be curious how that would look.

Below is +/- including 1st half/2nd half breakdown-sorry I cant get tables to format any better as text, any suggestions appreciate.

In the first half, Hillsman was +5 when he played the #3 spot, +1 in the #4 spot. In 2nd half, Hillsman only played #4 spot and was -13.

No doubt Taylor and Rey played in the 2nd half, but mostly without another Forward in game and Hillsman playing the #4 spot.
The first half, the teamed played 15:32 with 2 Forwards(either Ndiaye, Fisher, Bruninga or Idowu); the 2nd half 8:44 w/2 Forwards

HC definitely called out Ndiaye as well as Bruninga, Hillsman and the rest of the team. I'm sorry, but these are 19-22 year old kids. Do they make mistakes, of course . Are they trying to win, absolutely and nobody is more disappointed/frustrated than them. Coaches are well paid and ultimately it is their responsibility to put together a team; put that team in roles where they can succeed; provide guidance to help them succeed and take responsibility for failures. I've not voiced a desire to terminate HC, but I'm tremendously disappointed in his statements last night

I heard the post game on WJBC while driving home and I just saw the post game interview on goredbirds. On WJBC he mentioned Bruniga, upperclassman, Boyd injury and short bench. In press postgame he defintely called out Ndiaye and Hillsman (when asked a question about passing up shots)
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I actually thought Ndiaye played well the opening 5 minutes. The second rotation was not good but I didn't think it warranted no further playing time. I thought the reduced time was due to his ankle which he appeared to hurt at the end of his first rotation. Dan noted Rey playing well and Ndiaye not being physical the last two games were the reasons Ndiaye didn't play. At times I actually thought Taylor had his best game defensively and rebounding. Offensively he was off and had a few really bad shots in the second half ... but so did a few other folks.

I understand the criticism of his comments but honestly I have heard a lot worse from him and other coaches. I do think he his piss poor when players are waffling with confidence. Instead of being inspiring or lifting them up he leans more towards being punitive.

If I’d thought the Player criticism was accurate, I’d probably not called it out, even though I don’t think that public rebukes are helpful for a team that has struggled as mightily as this one.

I think your review of both Ndiaye and Bruninga’s court time is spot on and that is why I felt HC statements felt so out of line. I have been unapologetic in my support for Rey this season and it was great to see him get a chance to play more than 3 minutes in a game, both Ndiaye and he really need another mobile big( Fisher/Bruninga) on the floor with them and in turn, both Fisher/Bruninga do better if they are not responsible to play against the #5 spot.

The +/- for previous Valpo game and 1st half of this game shows that the team was more successful with 2 forwards on floor, yet the staff elected to put 4 guards out in the second half and stay with it for a majority of 2nd half- (Ndiaye/ Bruninga and Fisher/Idowu could have easily split time)-
pretty strong case that the loss was due to coaching decision, but that’s just me

 

[SgtHulka]

I though Bruninga played well in the first half. Did a solid job blocking out and grabbing defensive boards.

 

[isuquinndog]

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