This alone tells you all you need to know on DM and why he will be gone

[ricohill]

2018 revenues and expenses on a pie chart do not fairly represent the finances of the athletic dept. in the middle of a pandemic. Expenses up and revenue down.

Are expenses up? No travel costs, no game staff to pay. Sure you lose gate revenue from Football and Basketball, but that’s not a huge chunk of the pie.

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

The Cares act provided 16M to ISU for the pandemic, stipulation was half had fo be used for student hardships. I don’t think ISU is in the poor house like most assume

 

[topiarydan]

Pretty simple - want a new coach -email and call the new AD. I did. Granted I'm just me - but you get 100 calls and emails then you get a guy who (if not already set on making the new move) will need to consider it strongly. Brennan gave Spack a nice write up in Panty. Will be interesting whether he does same for Dan after the season or just pulls the trigger and cleans house

 

[DWRedbird]

The Cares act provided 16M to ISU for the pandemic, stipulation was half had fo be used for student hardships. I don’t think ISU is in the poor house like most assume

The half that went to students to cover financial hardships is gone to the students already, the other half was used to cover a portion of the 17.9 million in refunds ISU had to pay out after students were sent home. They don't have any out of that available to fire a coach.

 

[TBS_20]

Isu most definitely isn't poor. Why people believe these big entities are poor is mind boggling. They feed you the numbers they want you to hear so you think about giving them more. It's slight of hand. Remove wool from eyes. Just blindly believing everything the media tells you.

 

[topiarydan]

And you don't have to pay DM his $1.5MM upfront - its deferred just like he's still on payroll. So this is doable

 

[Bird Friend]

Isu most definitely isn't poor. Why people believe these big entities are poor is mind boggling. They feed you the numbers they want you to hear so you think about giving them more. It's slight of hand. Remove wool from eyes. Just blindly believing everything the media tells you.

Not saying you're wrong, but this kind of statement needs some backing up. Otherwise, it's just smoke.

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

The half that went to students to cover financial hardships is gone to the students already, the other half was used to cover a portion of the 17.9 million in refunds ISU had to pay out after students were sent home. They don't have any out of that available to fire a coach.

The point isn’t to use that cash to fire a coach, the point is that the government bailed isu out essentially so they wouldn’t have hardships due to covid. Everyone keeps acting like ISU is so poor because of covid. they’re not, if they were they’d be shutting down athletic programs like many schools across the country

 

[DWRedbird]

The point isn’t to use that cash to fire a coach, the point is that the government bailed isu out essentially so they wouldn’t have hardships due to covid. Everyone keeps acting like ISU is so poor because of covid. they’re not, if they were they’d be shutting down athletic programs like many schools across the country

Except they still did have hardship. They only covered about half of the 17 million in refunds they had to pay. On top of that they still have to cover COVID related expenses, such as tests, any vaccines for students/staff, PPE, and any social distancing infrastructure changes they've had to make.

That said you are correct l, ISU isn't destitute at all. However, they also likely don't have an extra 1.5 million in cash + whatever they pay in New coach, lying around at the moment. I would be ecstatic if we moved on at this point, but financially I'm not holding my breath.

 

[cubird]

Really...U of I is offering a volunteer retirement program to incentivize staff to retire early specifically because of Covid related financial university losses.

 

[RedbirdSoxFan]

RedbirdSoxFan has a world class collection of participation trophies.

I ran my last half-marathon at the age of 50. That same year, among the many races I ran were the Steamboat 15k and the Forest Park Scenic 10 mile run. And yes I did receive participation awards for those. I am actually proud of the fact that at the age of fifty I put in the hard work to have ran a half-marathon? And for my time of 1:53:46 I did receive a participation medal. So yes, I do have a collection of participation awards.
Ya see, you don’t know me, and you definitely don’t know me well enough to insult me. You also referred to me as “Mrs Muller” on an earlier post. Of course it’s easy to do when you can behind a screen name.
Now that we have established that I do have a “collection of participation trophies” (although not the insulting type that you were referring to) and that I’m not “Mrs Muller”, We can conclude that you are definitely a POS!!!

 

[SgtHulka]

Regardless of if ISU has the cash on hand to eat his buyout, my guess is that a lame duck prez isn't giving a new AD the latitude and will save that move for his replacement

 

[TBS_20]

I ran my last half-marathon at the age of 50. That same year, among the many races I ran were the Steamboat 15k and the Forest Park Scenic 10 mile run. And yes I did receive participation awards for those. I am actually proud of the fact that at the age of fifty I put in the hard work to have ran a half-marathon? And for my time of 1:53:46 I did receive a participation medal. So yes, I do have a collection of participation awards.
Ya see, you don’t know me, and you definitely don’t know me well enough to insult me. You also referred to me as “Mrs Muller” on an earlier post. Of course it’s easy to do when you can behind a screen name.
Now that we have established that I do have a “collection of participation trophies” (although not the insulting type that you were referring to) and that I’m not “Mrs Muller”, We can conclude that you are definitely a POS!!!

You have a 13.1 sticker on tour car don't you

 

[CaliRdBrd]

I ran my last half-marathon at the age of 50. That same year, among the many races I ran were the Steamboat 15k and the Forest Park Scenic 10 mile run. And yes I did receive participation awards for those. I am actually proud of the fact that at the age of fifty I put in the hard work to have ran a half-marathon? And for my time of 1:53:46 I did receive a participation medal. So yes, I do have a collection of participation awards.
Ya see, you don’t know me, and you definitely don’t know me well enough to insult me. You also referred to me as “Mrs Muller” on an earlier post. Of course it’s easy to do when you can behind a screen name.
Now that we have established that I do have a “collection of participation trophies” (although not the insulting type that you were referring to) and that I’m not “Mrs Muller”, We can conclude that you are definitely a POS!!!

We can also conclude that you have no sense of humor.
Also, I don’t hide from anything. My photo is in my profile.
Mike Johnson (aka POS)
Class of ‘90 (shoulda been ‘89, but I loved the booze more than going to class ...still do)
Congrats on the marathons though. Seriously.

 

[isuquinndog]

Welll....mine is bigger than yours!

 

[TBS_20]

Welll....mine is bigger than yours!

post it. we can judge it

 

[CaliRdBrd]

Pretty simple - want a new coach -email and call the new AD. I did. Granted I'm just me - but you get 100 calls and emails then you get a guy who (if not already set on making the new move) will need to consider it strongly. Brennan gave Spack a nice write up in Panty. Will be interesting whether he does same for Dan after the season or just pulls the trigger and cleans house

I would add that, whenever ISU calls regarding donations, let them know you’ll be happy to donate again once Muller is let go.
That’s what I do.

 

[SgtHulka]

Welll....mine is bigger than yours!

Well my dad can beat up your dad!

 

[Redbird60451]

So I'm torn. Dan has us playing as a Thursday night team for a 3rd year in a row. So we could warrant telling him 'its us not you', you need to find an opportunity at a bigger school with more resources to help you in your journey. And it would be at the end of the season, unless he punches a ref or a cheerleader has a baby that looks like him or something here in the next 3 weeks, he's here till March 4th regardless.

But we get rid of Dan, and I'm 99.9% sure, Flemming, Reeves, & Horne all find other opportunities at other universities (I'm not sure they stay even if Dan is here, but it's more likely Dan has already stroked the ego of their handlers enough that it would have to be perfect for them to walk). But with them gone that puts us guaranteed for next year, and probably the year after on Thursday night too, because the new guy will be 'building his culture'. And on top of that to 'build his culture' it likely means playing a lot of Our Sisters of the Poor teams, like Jank used to do.

I think the New AD has to really think about pulling the plug on Dan. Because if he does, and the move backfires, he is getting rid of coach that has a lot of Fanbase love and his butt would be on the hot seat with donors. Do I want him to go? I don't know, I enjoy it more when we win, so based on the last 2 years, maybe it's time for a new voice. Do I want him to stay? I don't know, because I could see us getting even worse with a new guy before it got better, and then when we get close and good, that guy walks to take an assistant coaching job at a football school and takes the top point guard with him, putting us in the close but no cigar scenario we were in 9 years ago.

 

[BirdGrad2011]

So I'm torn. Dan has us playing as a Thursday night team for a 3rd year in a row. So we could warrant telling him 'its us not you', you need to find an opportunity at a bigger school with more resources to help you in your journey. And it would be at the end of the season, unless he punches a ref or a cheerleader has a baby that looks like him or something here in the next 3 weeks, he's here till March 4th regardless.

But we get rid of Dan, and I'm 99.9% sure, Flemming, Reeves, & Horne all find other opportunities at other universities (I'm not sure they stay even if Dan is here, but it's more likely Dan has already stroked the ego of their handlers enough that it would have to be perfect for them to walk). But with them gone that puts us guaranteed for next year, and probably the year after on Thursday night too, because the new guy will be 'building his culture'. And on top of that to 'build his culture' it likely means playing a lot of Our Sisters of the Poor teams, like Jank used to do.

I think the New AD has to really think about pulling the plug on Dan. Because if he does, and the move backfires, he is getting rid of coach that has a lot of Fanbase love and his butt would be on the hot seat with donors. Do I want him to go? I don't know, I enjoy it more when we win, so based on the last 2 years, maybe it's time for a new voice. Do I want him to stay? I don't know, because I could see us getting even worse with a new guy before it got better, and then when we get close and good, that guy walks to take an assistant coaching job at a football school and takes the top point guard with him, putting us in the close but no cigar scenario we were in 9 years ago.

You said a lot of good. The thing I don’t get is the failures of Dan as a coach don’t diminish what he accomplished as a player. It’s okay to still love Dan the player and person and accept that a new voice is needed.