vs. Ole Miss 12/8/18

[Adunk33]

Also wanted to give a shout out to Ike. Played his ass off yesterday.

 

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

Also wanted to give a shout out to Ike. Played his ass off yesterday.

I'll give it to him for having heart and passion but this is d1 college basketball. That's simply not good enough. Let's not settle for crap. That kind of thinking is exactly why they are where they are. He's anot end of bench rider at this level along with chastain. Hein shouldn't even be on the team. This is why they suck. They're littered with subpar basketball players and those players have seen significant minutes which is dans fault for even recruiting them. He could throw a dart at a board and come away with a better player.

 

[Chi-bird]

Not much to say other than great or even good defenses have 5 main traits:

1. Players are not limited physically (height, strength, quickness, etc.)
2. Players are in good physical condition.
3. Players are knowledgeable as to its responsibilities/how to play defense (not difficult, and you can bet a Muller team has been coached
4. Players work together to communicate, know when to switch, who to help, how much help to give, when to stay home, etc. This comes with time playing together
5. Players give maximum effort.

In the case of Muller-coached teams, I think the biggest issues for us are having constant newcomers/juco players as they don't quite learn D1 defensive expectations until they're already here (as junior). In addition, there is seldom a year that goes by where the starters are familiar with each other. This is one of the issues with having new rosters year in and year out.

In the case of THIS year's team, I also think that #1 is a little bit of a problem. I really don't think this team is as athletic as people think. This team is long, and we don't have many bigs...but how many of our players are physical athletes whose ability would translate to being successful in say, football? We don't have explosive athletes.

In other words, I do't think that the defensive ceiling is all that high with this team. They're already in great shape, and haves defensive-minded coaches teaching them.

My hope is that eventually Muller can become more successful in getting talented players out of high school, and that those recruits become his core, with a transfer here or there to supplement things. Until then, I'm afraid we're always going to struggle in the early season, which is not a good thing if you need to be successful in November and December in order to dance in March.

 

[bb fan]

Sooo, now we have posters referring to our student athletes has crap. smh

 

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

Everyone thinks they're great humans with passion and will be successful. But, yes. As far as basketball they are horrible. Their play is crap. Don't twist my words. We are talking sbout basketball and you know it.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

Regarding those criticizing the number of guys in street clothes on the bench, you are likely the same people that would be critical next season if it was a "rebuilding year." Recruiting the way he did, Muller clearly felt he would be getting a lot of great production from his seniors, and that just hasn't happened yet. Evans and Tinsley have the yips. Yarbs and Fayne are doing their part. Instead of having a potential rebuilding year next year, he brought in 3 guys with D1 experience to help fill the void left by the seniors.

The seniors aren't producing the way they should. They will though. Mullers teams are notorious for slow starts. I found the numbers a season or so ago, I believe it was in the last 10 games of MVC play muller has finished 7-3 or better in all but one or two of his years here. I don't remember the exact numbers but for whatever reason it takes time. That's fine with me, I was never a guy holding out for an at-large bid. We play for March. Get hot at the right time, and win it in STL.

Also, injuries happen. Clearly Key and Copeland aren't 100%. Hein hasn't played in a long time, Chastain is still banged up and who know what to expect when Taylor gets back. Every team in the country has to deal with these things. If our seniors produced the way they should be, the injuries would be a lot less noticable.

We'll be fine.

:text-+1:

Except Dan’s post game presser indicates Key is 100% healthy now.

https://youtu.be/Wz2oAg-E3hA

 

[cubird]

How athletic was loyola last year? You play a defense that fits the team you have. I don't know any defense that is taught that allows a guy to drive by 3 defenders only to foul him at the rim.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

Also wanted to give a shout out to Ike. Played his ass off yesterday.

I'll give it to him for having heart and passion but this is d1 college basketball. That's simply not good enough. Let's not settle for crap. That kind of thinking is exactly why they are where they are. He's anot end of bench rider at this level along with chastain. Hein shouldn't even be on the team. This is why they suck. They're littered with subpar basketball players and those players have seen significant minutes which is dans fault for even recruiting them. He could throw a dart at a board and come away with a better player.

Dixon bailed last Spring, and Muller gave the scholarship to Gass. That can be late in the game to recruit an impact player. If Dan can bring in a better player, then maybe Gass goes back to walkon, probably more commensurate with his talent level.

 

[Bird Friend]

Go Birds72 - the thing about King David was that when healthy he provided us with protection for the same weak
perimeter D. Blocking and altering shots when opponents blow right by us to the rim. We have none of that now. 0.

Muller is getting good recruits but they're just not tough enough. And he's not making them tougher. He doesn't want a street
thug but yet - we need some of that to change the direction this group has taken.

I understand. Instead of wasting a 2nd scholarship go out on the quad...I’m sure there a few tall people out there to protect the rim. I’m not going to argue...but your definition of a”good” division 1 recruit is different from mine. With the decline of Evans we are in deep doo doo. Maybe our goals are different.

A difference in approach does not necessarily mean a difference in goal. Just because redbirdron1 wants to do something different than you doesn't mean he doesn't want to win just as much as you.

 

[Bird Friend]

Also wanted to give a shout out to Ike. Played his ass off yesterday.

I'll give it to him for having heart and passion but this is d1 college basketball. That's simply not good enough. Let's not settle for crap. That kind of thinking is exactly why they are where they are. He's anot end of bench rider at this level along with chastain. Hein shouldn't even be on the team. This is why they suck. They're littered with subpar basketball players and those players have seen significant minutes which is dans fault for even recruiting them. He could throw a dart at a board and come away with a better player.

Dixon bailed last Spring, and Muller gave the scholarship to Gass. That can be late in the game to recruit an impact player. If Dan can bring in a better player, then maybe Gass goes back to walkon, probably more commensurate with his talent level.

I'm pretty sure Gassman is a walk-on this year.

 

[Bird Friend]

How athletic was loyola last year? You play a defense that fits the team you have. I don't know any defense that is taught that allows a guy to drive by 3 defenders only to foul him at the rim.

I know of one.

 

[Bird Friend]

Our offense should be a triangle of Fayne, Yarb and JJ
No one else should be allowed to shoot.
Just work it in and out until you get a clean look.

So you need to convince Muller that Duhon's approach is wrong.

 

[RedbirdFanatic32]

I'd rather have Ike on the court, than Tinsley right now.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

I'll give it to him for having heart and passion but this is d1 college basketball. That's simply not good enough. Let's not settle for crap. That kind of thinking is exactly why they are where they are. He's anot end of bench rider at this level along with chastain. Hein shouldn't even be on the team. This is why they suck. They're littered with subpar basketball players and those players have seen significant minutes which is dans fault for even recruiting them. He could throw a dart at a board and come away with a better player.

Dixon bailed last Spring, and Muller gave the scholarship to Gass. That can be late in the game to recruit an impact player. If Dan can bring in a better player, then maybe Gass goes back to walkon, probably more commensurate with his talent level.

I'm pretty sure Gassman is a walk-on this year.

I thought so too, but deferred to the all mighty and all knowing Quinn, and his scholarship matrix. The legend moved him to scholarship, but the matrix looks like walkon. He’s a good walkon, IMO, for our level of program.

 

[Bird Friend]

Our offense should be a triangle of Fayne, Yarb and JJ
No one else should be allowed to shoot.
Just work it in and out until you get a clean look.

I just looked at the stats. They are worse than I thought from outside the arc.

1. Jefferson .480
2 Yarborough .462
3. Copeland .347
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4. Gassman .294
5. Tinsley .277
6. Evans .271

Gassman showed some hope last nite. Plus he was the better defender between him and Tinsley last nite. Tinsley is streaky, but mostly negatively this year. He's never proven he can be consistent. We know Evans can shoot, just need to hope he'll find it soon.

Copeland could shoot better from 3 if he didn't force them so often. He takes too many 3s out of the rhythm of the offense. IMO he needs to focus more on being a scorer, driving more with some stop and pops, and occasionally forcing contact at the rim.

I'd like to see JJ drive more often, too. Mostly, I think he could be shooting even better if he didn't take shots when he catches his the pass without being square to the bucket.

MY takes some really poorly advised 3s, but he's been making them lately. He is what he is, and I guess you live with his bad decisions because how much he offers way too much on offense.

 

[DannyCooksey]

Dixon bailed last Spring, and Muller gave the scholarship to Gass. That can be late in the game to recruit an impact player. If Dan can bring in a better player, then maybe Gass goes back to walkon, probably more commensurate with his talent level.

I'm pretty sure Gassman is a walk-on this year.

I thought so too, but deferred to the all mighty and all knowing Quinn, and his scholarship matrix. The legend moved him to scholarship, but the matrix looks like walkon. He’s a good walkon, IMO, for our level of program.

Your passive/aggressive shots at our board moderator are really tasteless. Quinn is a nice guy, he loves the Birds and does a mostly thankless job.

Your shots at him aren’t cool.

 

[bb fan]

You said playing Gassman is playing crap, Jsn. You said we are settling for crap. Very sad.

 

[DannyCooksey]

You said playing Gassman is playing crap, Jsn. You said we are settling for crap. Very sad.

:text-+1:

Uncalled for. Totally agree bb

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

Our offense should be a triangle of Fayne, Yarb and JJ
No one else should be allowed to shoot.
Just work it in and out until you get a clean look.

How do you work a triangle offense vs zones?

 

[ISU FAN 1]

I'm pretty sure Gassman is a walk-on this year.

I thought so too, but deferred to the all mighty and all knowing Quinn, and his scholarship matrix. The legend moved him to scholarship, but the matrix looks like walkon. He’s a good walkon, IMO, for our level of program.

Your passive/aggressive shots at our board moderator are really tasteless. Quinn is a nice guy, he loves the Birds and does a mostly thankless job.

Your shots at him aren’t cool.

That wasn’t my intention. If you take it that way, that’s on you.