Redbirds @ Salukis 1-13-18 5pm

[Hamdonger]

Something buried in all this is the loss of Coach Yak to Michigan. He's known for coaching defense. There was always going to be regression with Paris and Tony graduating and Deontae and Mikyle moving on, but Yak is enjoying rave reviews for the throttling Michigan just delivered at Sparty.

I have no idea how much credit (and also blame) you can assign a coach, but let's remember it's significant that Muller not only has a lot of players he's breaking into his system this year, but also a pair of coaches on his bench. I'm sure he won't use this as an excuse, but it can't be easy to carry over last year's expectations on D with so much turnover.

Maybe we shouldn’t trade 2 coaches for a weekend at South Haven.

:text-+1: another fair criticism of Muller. What Muller did was certainly questionable and borderline grounds for dismissal at many companies...ie to have a leader of a specific area/unit recommend their employees for hire at a competing organization. Those assistant coaches were paid by and employees of ISU and not Muller. So if ISU basketball is suffering now because of it whose fault is it?

Much respect to you, my man, but BS ChiRedbirdFan. That works on paper. But hands on and in the thick of it, In coaching circles, you can't hold coaches back. It was the right thing for Dan to do.

It's funny. We want a coach who's got integrity, but when it comes to those integrity decisions...we get mad when that integrity decision doesn't appear to serve ISU. I get the frustration, I do, but in the coaching world, Dan had to do it. And I applaud him for it.

 

[Hamdonger]

And...Dan did it because he's a quality human being and damn good basketball man.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

Maybe we shouldn’t trade 2 coaches for a weekend at South Haven.

:text-+1: another fair criticism of Muller. What Muller did was certainly questionable and borderline grounds for dismissal at many companies...ie to have a leader of a specific area/unit recommend their employees for hire at a competing organization. Those assistant coaches were paid by and employees of ISU and not Muller. So if ISU basketball is suffering now because of it whose fault is it?

This will throw me in the Muller’s Kool-Aid group, but wouldn’t you want to work for a boss who’s willing to help you grow in your career? Who identifies opportunities that will advance your development? Who’s willing to talk about your talents and sing your praises to others?

Dan recognized an opportunity for one of his guys to grow as a coach to make himself more competitive for future opportunities. In my opinion, that only helps Dan lure talented assistants to his side.

Agree we all would like a boss that is willing to help our own career but a boss should do that without compromising their own companies/organization's financial well being/assets. I am not going to go into every thing that a good boss can do for an employee as there are so many things that can be done....ie mentoring/teaching as well as
making positive public comments/statements about employees after they were hired away or being a reference for employees for another job after the employees have already left the company/organization. But helping employees find a job at another company/organization while employed for the company/organization you work for crosses the line in my opinion. Again in this example those employees were paid by ISU and should be seen as assets of ISU. If Yak is as good as stated then we should all want him here at ISU. How would it be viewed if a top leader at CAT (or State Farm) called up and recommended that John Deere (or Country Companies) hire a young rising star at their organization? An extreme example but fundamentally no different.

As an aside if one buys into the concept that Muller should do that for his staff because it will help him obtain coaches then using that logic means Muller should do the same for his players. ie...Muller should be calling up P5's and recommending they consider Milik and Fayne as it will help in obtaining future recruits.

With all that said I am still 100 percent on board with Muller as ISU's coach and believe ISU made a mistake by not trying to contractually lock up Muller long term. However I believe what Muller did (with Yak and the other coaches) was wrong and definitely not in the best interest of ISU especially given the fact that Muller is not likely to remain at ISU. For the record still willing to take bets that Muller is not ISU's coach for the start of the 2019-2020 season.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

And...Dan did it because he's a quality human being and damn good basketball man.

Hey Humdinger I too believe he is a quality human being and a damn good basketball man. But humans make mistakes and I believe he did when he encouraged and enabled ISU employees to leave ISU.

 

[DWRedbird]

Count me among those who think Coach Dan's "concern" for his assistants' advancement borders on professional malpractice. He's supposed to have the interests of the ISU program and players at heart, at least FIRST, not the personal and professional interests of his assistants. He should be trying to keep good assistants here, not shipping them out. Again, like everything here, just my opinion, doesn't make me any more right or wrong that any of the other geniuses who post here, except I know that and don't think anyone who disagrees with me is a doofus.

Also agree with the opinion voiced earlier, forget who it was, that the revolving door is a drag on this program. It's explained away by many of the posters here, but as much evidence as there is that some of the guys who've bailed are foul balls, they were "invited" here by Coach Dan. So he's either picking too many foul balls (many of you say we have to take "risks", I don't buy that either) or turns red-a$$ on them after they get here. One close look at Yarbrough on the bench yesterday and that look in his eyes wasn't saying, geez thanks again coach for helping me out. Well, maybe OUT out, but not helping me.

Nice to see Clarance show some stuff yesterday. I've said many times we expect too much from our young guys too early, and even tho he was hyped, Clarance had to sit out instead of working into the rotation this fall. Hopefully it continues.

I have no problem with Hein or Gassman getting some PT, 10 minutes per game would be "better" than 20. Would be nice to be able to send them in when match-ups were more favorable than having to start or play in the first 8. But I won't criticize either one, they're playing their butts off.

And I don't really dislike Coach Dan, I think many here overhype him. But his record is decent, even tho I would say his teams, over the whole 5+ seasons, have looked pretty lame at times. Wish he put a more consistent product on the court tho, game in and game out.

I disagree with the thoughts on Dan getting assistant coaches a job. I honestly think in the coaching world it makes him look good, and will likely help him continuously build a staff here as he needs it. The assistant coaching world can get pretty rough from what I have heard and read, so in my opinion I have no problem with Muller did.

That said, I agree with you that the consistency is frustrating. I don't think it is all on Muller, but I'm tired of pretty much counting on us losing at least one player every year. If we want to have less transitional years we need to get our roster to be consistent most years.

Overall, I think we are still going to end up being a top 4 team in the Valley when all is said and done, and make a run at the Valley Tourney Championship, but I don't think it is going to look pretty. That said, I'm willing to trust the process, and see how we are next year and beyond. I'm optimistic based on guys we will have next year, but we'll see how we are

 

[Hamdonger]

And...Dan did it because he's a quality human being and damn good basketball man.

Hey Humdinger I too believe he is a quality human being and a damn good basketball man. But human make mistakes and I believe he did when he encouraged and enabled ISU employees to leave ISU.

Much respect brother. This will sound funny, but I like your dissenting opinion. HA!! It's a damn good argument and I'd love to hear Dan elaborate on it in front of all of us...brought to you by DPdoughLive!

Kidding. But not really.

 

[CaliRdBrd]

What’s gonna happen if we lose to Bradley?

 

[Hamdonger]

What’s gonna happen if we lose to Bradley?

Oh sht. There it is.

Redbirdfan better get some bi-polar meds, and quick...

 

[DBird]

What’s gonna happen if we lose to Bradley?

Oh sht. There it is.

Redbirdfan better get some bi-polar meds, and quick...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! :lol:

 

[dpdoughbird06]

And...Dan did it because he's a quality human being and damn good basketball man.

Hey Humdinger I too believe he is a quality human being and a damn good basketball man. But human make mistakes and I believe he did when he encouraged and enabled ISU employees to leave ISU.

Much respect brother. This will sound funny, but I like your dissenting opinion. HA!! It's a damn good argument and I'd love to hear Dan elaborate on it in front of all of us...brought to you by DPdoughLive!

Kidding. But not really.

Sorry, guys. HyVee has a choke hold on pretty much everything Redbird these days, from coaches shows to Legends Room food. I've got something in the works, though; if it comes to fruition maybe we bring some coaches our way...

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

:text-+1: another fair criticism of Muller. What Muller did was certainly questionable and borderline grounds for dismissal at many companies...ie to have a leader of a specific area/unit recommend their employees for hire at a competing organization. Those assistant coaches were paid by and employees of ISU and not Muller. So if ISU basketball is suffering now because of it whose fault is it?

This will throw me in the Muller’s Kool-Aid group, but wouldn’t you want to work for a boss who’s willing to help you grow in your career? Who identifies opportunities that will advance your development? Who’s willing to talk about your talents and sing your praises to others?

Dan recognized an opportunity for one of his guys to grow as a coach to make himself more competitive for future opportunities. In my opinion, that only helps Dan lure talented assistants to his side.

Agree we all would like a boss that is willing to help our own career but a boss should do that without compromising their own companies/organization's financial well being/assets. I am not going to go into every thing that a good boss can do for an employee as there are so many things that can be done....ie mentoring/teaching as well as
making positive public comments/statements about employees after they were hired away or being a reference for employees for another job after the employees have already left the company/organization. But helping employees find a job at another company/organization while employed for the company/organization you work for crosses the line in my opinion. Again in this example those employees were paid by ISU and should be seen as assets of ISU. If Yak is as good as stated then we should all want him here at ISU. How would it be viewed if a top leader at CAT (or State Farm) called up and recommended that John Deere (or Country Companies) hire a young rising star at their organization? An extreme example but fundamentally no different.

As an aside if one buys into the concept that Muller should do that for his staff because it will help him obtain coaches then using that logic means Muller should do the same for his players. ie...Muller should be calling up P5's and recommending they consider Milik and Fayne as it will help in obtaining future recruits.

With all that said I am still 100 percent on board with Muller as ISU's coach and believe ISU made a mistake by not trying to contractually lock up Muller long term. However I believe what Muller did (with Yak and the other coaches) was wrong and definitely not in the best interest of ISU especially given the fact that Muller is not likely to remain at ISU. For the record still willing to take bets that Muller is not ISU's coach for the start of the 2019-2020 season.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

What’s gonna happen if we lose to Bradley?

Fire Dan and replace him with Yak.

 

[Hamdonger]

What’s gonna happen if we lose to Bradley?

Fire Dan and replace him with Yak.

We keep turning the ball over like this and somewhere down the road that could be a possibility. Kidding. Or am i?

So what's the wager on your predict that Dan is gone by '19?

 

[bombay]

nnn

 

[cpacmel]

In the history of the MVC has a coach ever left for a BCS Head job without dancing?

I guess one could leave for the American Conf, Atlantic 10, mountain West, etc. When was the last time that happened?

I do remember Kevin McKenna leaving Indy State to be an asst at Oregon.

 

[Sladerunningbear]

Could ISU football coach (Zimmer) also blow 17 point lead? Oh, the humanity.

Tired of it!

 

[SgtHulka]

In the history of the MVC has a coach ever left for a BCS Head job without dancing?

I guess one could leave for the American Conf, Atlantic 10, mountain West, etc. When was the last time that happened?

I do remember Kevin McKenna leaving Indy State to be an asst at Oregon.

Won't say no, but highly unlikely.

Maybe HCIW at Pitt

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

What’s gonna happen if we lose to Bradley?

Fire Dan and replace him with Yak.

We keep turning the ball over like this and somewhere down the road that could be a possibility. Kidding. Or am i?

So what's the wager on your predict that Dan is gone by '19?

I am open to bet suggestions. And the bet is Muller is gone by the 2019-20 basketball season vs by 2019 just to clarify.

Turnovers have been real ugly but as suggested it is in part due to ISU not having a true point guard. Milik is out of position combined with the fact that the plan seems to have been to encourage Milik to drive all of the way to the basket which is now common knowledge for other teams. Teams have started doubling him much faster in order to prevent him from getting to the basket and that has resulted in Milik trying to do too much which leads to turnovers.

 

[Sladerunningbear]

Could ISU football coach (Zimmer) also blow 17 point lead? Oh, the humanity.

Tired of it!

Nope!

 

[cpacmel]

Maybe HCIW at Pitt

I think there is a better chance of Stallings looking for a job than that. KS isn’t exactly tearing it up at his new job.