MVC Players in 2024 Portal

[Reggie Redbird]

DePaul has a massive amount of room to improve, but can they/will they. Winning cures all so only time will tell but you cannot deny the Herculian task in front of them.

If Indiana State can do it quickly, DePaul can too. DePaul has the resources, and it just depends on if they get the right staff and the needed NIL money. They aren’t likely going out and saying, “We’re curing our ails by signing freshmen who will be better in 2 seasons.”

DePaul coaches could poach players they have connections with, including from Ohio State and SIU. Keeping Parham means a known name in the area who likely has relationships with guys on the roster they want to retain.

I would love if our schedules over the next few years included a H-H with DePaul (and NIU too).

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

I have lost faith in the ability of Pedon to turn it around next year because we have too many returnees. I do expect us to be better. I don't see a big jump unless we get a great point guard, someone to replace Lewis and several shooters. If Davis, Lieb, Kasubke and Banks all return, it is hard to understand how we could have much improvement.

Agree with this sentiment but feel there has to be some additional players on the bottom side of this past year’s roster moving onto the portal. By default, aka turmoil in the MVC, we should nearly be an automatic top 3 in the MVC (which is not saying much anymore) next year if Pedon can truly recruit and coach. All that becomes highly suspect if pedon is returning a veteran dominated roster that has had no success for the past 2 years. How will we be nationally with that returning roster??…..probably in the 150 range at best.

I am looking forward to some forthcoming positive portal departures (or player retirements) and additions. To date we have been negatively impacted by the portal but it is early. the longer we wait for portal additions to be announced the bigger the indicator of how undesirable Isu hoops is overall. Even DePaul’s suffering basketball program appears to be more desirable than ISU’s program as they already have portal player additions.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

If Indiana State can do it quickly, DePaul can too. DePaul has the resources, and it just depends on if they get the right staff and the needed NIL money. They aren’t likely going out and saying, “We’re curing our ails by signing freshmen who will be better in 2 seasons.”

DePaul coaches could poach players they have connections with, including from Ohio State and SIU. Keeping Parham means a known name in the area who likely has relationships with guys on the roster they want to retain.

I would love if our schedules over the next few years included a H-H with DePaul (and NIU too).

From an economic and visibility standpoint why would DePaul do a home and home with Isu? I get it is great from ISU’s economic standpoint but it does not make sense for DePaul.

 

[gobirds85]

If Indiana State can do it quickly, DePaul can too. DePaul has the resources, and it just depends on if they get the right staff and the needed NIL money. They aren’t likely going out and saying, “We’re curing our ails by signing freshmen who will be better in 2 seasons.”

DePaul coaches could poach players they have connections with, including from Ohio State and SIU. Keeping Parham means a known name in the area who likely has relationships with guys on the roster they want to retain.

I would love if our schedules over the next few years included a H-H with DePaul (and NIU too).

Just my .02…moving up in the valley is considerably easier than moving up in the big East. Light years of difference.

 

[cubird]

Better be drinking a lot more Empower the Nest if you want to move up in the Valley!

 

[Reggie Redbird]

From an economic and visibility standpoint why would DePaul do a home and home with Isu? I get it is great from ISU’s economic standpoint but it does not make sense for DePaul.

We’ve discussed this on the board probably every year for the past 20 years. It would be a close travel situation. It would sell a lot more tickets than DePaul sells, probably 500-1k tickets more than normal. Is it a threat they lose? Yes. At least they have played us more than IL has.

They played NIU this year, among several other mid-majors, so I’m guessing they aren’t afraid to at least host us. I would be fine with taking a lower buy game payment and just going there.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

We’ve discussed this on the board probably every year for the past 20 years. It would be a close travel situation. It would sell a lot more tickets than DePaul sells, probably 500-1k tickets more than normal. Is it a threat they lose? Yes. At least they have played us more than IL has.

They played NIU this year, among several other mid-majors, so I’m guessing they aren’t afraid to at least host us. I would be fine with taking a lower buy game payment and just going there.

Playing Isu at home is one thing but DePaul agreeing to a home and home with Isu is a different beast financially. I am guessing they are not going to NIU for a return game?

DePaul wants to maximize their revenue (get paid when they go on the road ) and minimize their expenses when playing at home. I am guessing road pay game for DePaul minus a home pay game against a mid major is economically better than doing a home and home with Isu. People claim big teams duck programs but my understanding it is the economics that are the driving variable of scheduling.

 

[Aggie]

Agree with this sentiment but feel there has to be some additional players on the bottom side of this past year’s roster moving onto the portal. By default, aka turmoil in the MVC, we should nearly be an automatic top 3 in the MVC (which is not saying much anymore) next year if Pedon can truly recruit and coach. All that becomes highly suspect if pedon is returning a veteran dominated roster that has had no success for the past 2 years. How will we be nationally with that returning roster??…..probably in the 150 range at best.

I am looking forward to some forthcoming positive portal departures (or player retirements) and additions. To date we have been negatively impacted by the portal but it is early. the longer we wait for portal additions to be announced the bigger the indicator of how undesirable Isu hoops is overall. Even DePaul’s suffering basketball program appears to be more desirable than ISU’s program as they already have portal player additions.

Not sure we are automatically a top three program in the valley. Some of these teams are bringing in lots of portal players, but if they recruit wisely they will leave ISU in the dust unless we choose wisely. The only fact I know is what ISU had the last two years was no where near where we need to be. Is ISU an attractive enough program to get good talent interested in coming to Normal? Does the talent want to come play for Pedon? Can current management reload and rebuild every year? The only thing I am certain of is “time is a wasting”.

 

[cpacmel]

In the past 7-8 years or so, DePaul has done home and home with:

Cleveland State
UIC
Loyola (IL)

 

[SgtHulka]

Playing Isu at home is one thing but DePaul agreeing to a home and home with Isu is a different beast financially. I am guessing they are not going to NIU for a return game?

DePaul wants to maximize their revenue (get paid when they go on the road ) and minimize their expenses when playing at home. I am guessing road pay game for DePaul minus a home pay game against a mid major is economically better than doing a home and home with Isu. People claim big teams duck programs but my understanding it is the economics that are the driving variable of scheduling.

What if we offered to move the three point line in for them?

 

[Bird Friend]

In the past 7-8 years or so, DePaul has done home and home with:

Cleveland State
UIC
Loyola (IL)

New coach. New rules. Don't look to the past of the school to predict the future. Look to the past of the coach.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

What if we offered to move the three point line in for them?

that would be consistent with the woke like isu athletics...we could even share our nil offerings with their players and show them our proud participation (all mvc) trophy. LETS DO IT!!!!

 

[SgtHulka]

I was simply referring to the last Horton game with them

 

[dpdoughbird06]

I was simply referring to the last Horton game with them

Was that the one where Tyler Brown stepped on the sideline on what should have been the game-tying three? I’m getting a little rusty keeping the in-state screw jobs straight.

 

[schoolsportsfan]

Was that the one where Tyler Brown stepped on the sideline on what should have been the game-tying three? I’m getting a little rusty keeping the in-state screw jobs straight.

Terrence Greene with his feet clearly inside the 3 point line. Horrible call by the officials giving DePaul the win

 

[Baltimore Bird]

The Tyler Brown 3 was against Illinois as I remember.
He had another on the baseline against Stanford in the NIT, once again, as I remember.

 

[Reggie Redbird]

New coach. New rules. Don't look to the past of the school to predict the future. Look to the past of the coach.

Wouldn’t that only be if they were at a similar school? Ohio State, its budget and schedule, is in a different stratosphere than most programs. Holtmann will have resources at DePaul, but a fraction of what the Ohio State checkbook offers.

 

[SgtHulka]

The Tyler Brown 3 was against Illinois as I remember.
He had another on the baseline against Stanford in the NIT, once again, as I remember.

Yes. At the Cancun Challenge. The replay showed his heel was over, but not ON the line so the 3 should have counted.

 

[SgtHulka]

Terrence Greene with his feet clearly inside the 3 point line. Horrible call by the officials giving DePaul the win

 

[Bird Friend]

Wouldn’t that only be if they were at a similar school? Ohio State, its budget and schedule, is in a different stratosphere than most programs. Holtmann will have resources at DePaul, but a fraction of what the Ohio State checkbook offers.

Still at a P5/6 school. Why would he play us and take the chance of his own protege beating him? Plus, the point was that people were looking at DePaul's history, not the coach's history. Who'd he play at Butler? That's probably closer to what he'd do now, though still probably less lenient.