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Every year we don't make it, I (passively) try to figure out what former Birds are in the tournament.

So far I've noticed 4.

DJ Horne (NC State)
Antonio Reeves (Kentucky)
Dusan Mahorcic (Duquesne)
Mark Freeman (Morehead State)

Are there any others?
 
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Josiah Strong at Colorado State should be the only other one. Mark Freeman hasn't played this season due to injury. Otherwise, he'd be starting.
 
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leeno33 said:
Every year we don't make it, I (passively) try to figure out what former Birds are in the tournament.

So far I've noticed 4.

DJ Horne (NC State)
Antonio Reeves (Kentucky)
Dusan Mahorcic (Duquesne)
Mark Freeman (Morehead State)

Are there any others?
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Dusan had 2 pts and 1 rebound in 13 minutes.
 
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WOW, Oakland just beat Kentucky! Antonio Reeves had 27 points on 11-18 shooting from the field. As much as I've loved cheering Antonio on this year, admittedly, I'm happy Oakland won this game.

Kentucky is now 1-4 in their last 5 NCAA tournament games including losses to 14 seat Oakland and 15 seed St Peters in 2022.

In the era of one and done and NIL, this is another great signal on how well coached teams with team players can beat the "elite" programs.

I'm genuinely curious of John Calapari will get fired or resign after this. The Kentucky fanbase must be furious and they have a LOT of money to throw at their basketball program.
 
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DougSutton said:
WOW, Oakland just beat Kentucky! Antonio Reeves had 27 points on 11-18 shooting from the field. As much as I've loved cheering Antonio on this year, admittedly, I'm happy Oakland won this game.

Kentucky is now 1-4 in their last 5 NCAA tournament games including losses to 14 seat Oakland and 15 seed St Peters in 2022.

In the era of one and done and NIL, this is another great signal on how well coached teams with team players can beat the "elite" programs.

I'm genuinely curious of John Calapari will get fired or resign after this. The Kentucky fanbase must be furious and they have a LOT of money to throw at their basketball program.
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Read on twitter from Rothstein his buyout is $33,375,000, afraid he may try to steal our guys again with Reeves graduating. Sissoko to UK confirmed now
 
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DJ Horne and NC State are playing Texas Tech right. If they win, they play Oakland. NC State has a kid named DJ Burns that reminds me a lot of what I believe Chase Walker can be. Big body but really good footwork, soft touch and a really good passer. Burns was the MVP of the ACC tournament. It really was a toss up between him and DJ Horne.
 
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DougSutton said:
WOW, Oakland just beat Kentucky! Antonio Reeves had 27 points on 11-18 shooting from the field. As much as I've loved cheering Antonio on this year, admittedly, I'm happy Oakland won this game.

Kentucky is now 1-4 in their last 5 NCAA tournament games including losses to 14 seat Oakland and 15 seed St Peters in 2022.

In the era of one and done and NIL, this is another great signal on how well coached teams with team players can beat the "elite" programs.

I'm genuinely curious of John Calapari will get fired or resign after this. The Kentucky fanbase must be furious and they have a LOT of money to throw at their basketball program.
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the ending was great...big shot after big shot by both teams. fun to see the ky fans sitting their looking lifeless as they were losing. in the day and age of nil portal the calipari teams stocked with lots of one and dones is stupid. the players are just too green to win big even though some will be nba superstars in 4-5 years. ky had 3 frosh playing down the stretch and it showed
 
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the ending was great...big shot after big shot by both teams. fun to see the ky fans sitting their looking lifeless as they were losing. in the day and age of nil portal the calipari teams stocked with lots of one and dones is stupid. the players are just too green to win big even though some will be nba superstars in 4-5 years. ky had 3 frosh playing down the stretch and it showed
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Sadly the lesson being gleaned from this per Izzo & Friends is “how dare these anonymous small programs get a chance to have a magical shooting day and beat a blue blood! Off with their auto-bids that make this possible!”

As it is we’re already stuck with Robbie Avila playing one-on-one on Pat McAfee Show instead of lighting up the tournament.

Now imagine a field of 64 that includes 3/4 of every P5 rather than conference tourney winners. “Does the Valley deserve an at-large?” becomes “Does the Valley deserve a bid?”

The apocalypse is near.
 
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dpdoughbird06 said:
Sadly the lesson being gleaned from this per Izzo & Friends is “how dare these anonymous small programs get a chance to have a magical shooting day and beat a blue blood! Off with their auto-bids that make this possible!”

As it is we’re already stuck with Robbie Avila playing one-on-one on Pat McAfee Show instead of lighting up the tournament.

Now imagine a field of 64 that includes 3/4 of every P5 rather than conference tourney winners. “Does the Valley deserve an at-large?” becomes “Does the Valley deserve a bid?”

The apocalypse is near.
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So I was flipping and I caught Calipari's post game interview, he was very complementary of Oakland and what they did. He also felt like he was let down by his younger players who did not show up. Is that a product of the coach or just Freshman not really understanding the moment? Thats a different conversation.

But then Seth Davis at the round table said there's going to be a shift. He pointed to the fact that the Gohlke was 24, and how Dillingham and Sheppard are 18. He basically said these 18 years olds are playing against men. Their ceilings are higher than Gohlke's, but there's 6 years of experience and growth between them. He inferred you will see more of these Power teams get older, more well rounded. And I think that is why Calipari was so dejected, he said he had built a team for the tournament with Reeves being the experience and the young guys just had to be half of what they were during the regular, instead they pooped their pants. Were afraid to shoot the ball. The only person really confident was the guy who put in 3 years at ISU

But I think you are going to see more of these major teams get kids who have been in programs for even 2 or 3 years, not one and then on with the NIL money. They are going to let guys grow a little more to mix with these future pro's.
 
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dpdoughbird06 said:
Sadly the lesson being gleaned from this per Izzo & Friends is “how dare these anonymous small programs get a chance to have a magical shooting day and beat a blue blood! Off with their auto-bids that make this possible!”

As it is we’re already stuck with Robbie Avila playing one-on-one on Pat McAfee Show instead of lighting up the tournament.

Now imagine a field of 64 that includes 3/4 of every P5 rather than conference tourney winners. “Does the Valley deserve an at-large?” becomes “Does the Valley deserve a bid?”

The apocalypse is near.
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Yes, the apocalypse where there is one tournament for the power5 and then the NCAA tournament for everyone else. The “Cinderella” will be a bottom tier power5 conference team that gets hot. And, I may be generous with power5, it may be the power3. I am wondering why “waste” the money to move up in football when we will be right back where we are now. The College Football Playoff is just the beginning for the “we want it all” power2 mentality. With the top end doing there own thing ncaa probably goes back to just Division 1, 2 and 3. The haves and the haves not is here. And as I have mentioned before watch the uproar when schools that “don’t contribute enough” start getting voted off the island.
 
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If there are not automatic bids from conference tournaments then

1. Will ESPN and other media cover thise tournaments
2. Will fans of those conferences be interested in those tournaments
3. Lost revenue - conference tournament and no revenue from the tournament

I think CBS has the NCAA contract through 2032. I am not sure what outs there are but the P6 schools may have to still participate until then. I think the compromise you will see is an expanded Tournament. No insights just a guess. There could be byes with 96 teams or go to 128 so full schedule instead of first four in Dayton.
 
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So I was flipping and I caught Calipari's post game interview, he was very complementary of Oakland and what they did. He also felt like he was let down by his younger players who did not show up. Is that a product of the coach or just Freshman not really understanding the moment? Thats a different conversation.

But then Seth Davis at the round table said there's going to be a shift. He pointed to the fact that the Gohlke was 24, and how Dillingham and Sheppard are 18. He basically said these 18 years olds are playing against men. Their ceilings are higher than Gohlke's, but there's 6 years of experience and growth between them. He inferred you will see more of these Power teams get older, more well rounded. And I think that is why Calipari was so dejected, he said he had built a team for the tournament with Reeves being the experience and the young guys just had to be half of what they were during the regular, instead they pooped their pants. Were afraid to shoot the ball. The only person really confident was the guy who put in 3 years at ISU

But I think you are going to see more of these major teams get kids who have been in programs for even 2 or 3 years, not one and then on with the NIL money. They are going to let guys grow a little more to mix with these future pro's.
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The problem for UK was that Dillingham is a “me first and there is no second” player. He cost them their loss to A&M during the SEC tourney by forcing shot after shot after shot.

I was impressed with Reeves’ team play. He wasn’t forcing things or taking circus shots. He wasn’t dribbling endlessly and then trying force a shot off from 3. One or two dribbles and if an opening wasn’t there he passed the ball.
 
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Bird Friend said:
The problem for UK was that Dillingham is a “me first and there is no second” player. He cost them their loss to A&M during the SEC tourney by forcing shot after shot after shot.

I was impressed with Reeves’ team play. He wasn’t forcing things or taking circus shots. He wasn’t dribbling endlessly and then trying force a shot off from 3. One or two dribbles and if an opening wasn’t there he passed the ball.
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Reeves took his shots at ISU but I always felt he was a team player. I think he was loyal to ISU and Muller and therefore I will always be rooting for him. I am glad he has moved on from Kentucky so I can go back to rooting against them.
 
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