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Did you know that for child abuse, schools are one of the biggest helpers in identifying and helping those in that situation?
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I have a volunteer position that provides peripheral exposure to the problem of child abuse so I am sensitive to this. We don't think of child abuse as seasonal but it is. It takes place all the time but it often goes unreported until schools open in late August with live attendance. That's when teachers can spot students that are depressed, malnourished, injured or bruised. Hopefully it gets spotted and protection is provided. All that takes place after a normal summer. This won't be a normal summer. Kids quit going to school early this year. For a normal, functioning family sheltering in place can be difficult. You're stuck in the house together and everyone gets on each other's nerves. That's a normal family. Imagine a dysfunctional family with one or more abusers. Nerves fray and abuse escalates. Now imagine an abuser that used to be at work for much of the day but he or she is laid off from their job. That person has more time on their hands, more contact with a vulnerable child and a reason to be frustrated with an uncertain economic future. Many abusers also have issues with drugs or alcohol. The abuser may have moderated their consumption in order to function at work but if they're working from home or not working at all that becomes less of an obstacle. It can mean drinking or drugs in the home all day everyday.

So it isn't cut and dried as far as what we need to do to promote health and safety. There are costs to opening up and there are costs to staying sheltered. I'll also add that I've had enough exposure to education to know that this E-learning isn't working for a lot of kids, particularly younger and less economically advantaged kids. They don't all have access to the proper equipment or they may not have someone to help them use it.

But back to the main point. What we have with shelter-in-place is the "Perfect Storm" for child abuse. These victims often go unreported so they won't get the attn that Covid-19 victims get. Covid-19 flourishes among the old and the physically vulnerable. Child abuse flourishes among the young and physically vulnerable. Hospitals are open to help with this crisis, schools aren't.
 

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Birdfriend, that is a terribly wrong/bad assumption that I do not know about the MSM. I did read the headlines, I looked at specific content/facts, not the thinly veiled opinion parts. Is this not called a micro-aggression? I need my safe space.

You still have not countered anything I said here. You can worry about the 65+ crowd. I will worry about the millions of the newly unemployed who stress over their unplanned situation. And finally, you can believe what you want and do as you need to be in your best situation.

I mean, I could go back to pointing to how the MVC was in decline, predicting the one bid league status (came true) based off of evidence and facts, and a whole host of others that are still holding true. But nah, that is so 6-8 years ago ;)
Was it a wrong/bad assumption? Let's look at some of your comments and the articles' comments:

GhostofMBA: “BTW, CDC is not reporting 100,000 deaths either.“

Yes, they are. CDC reports 109,192 Covid-19 related deaths (CDC COVID Data Tracker)​

GhostofMBA: “Indiana suicide hotline use to get 1,000 call a day, now it hovers over 20,000 a day.”

I can find no corroborating data for your statement. And you gave no substantiation. I’ve seen articles stating that mental health calls have surged, but not to the point of 20k/day. One article stated that one agency saw an increase of 700% for addiction calls, but given that they obviously didn’t proofread the article (“FSSA states addiction hotlines were averaging 20 call per week. Since COVID-19, calls are coming in at an unprecedented rate of 20 calls per week -- seven times more than normal.) I’m not going to give much credence to it. Article
Interestingly, I found another article which states “Two hotlines that aren’t seeing increased calls: the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline and the National Domestic Violence Hotline. Administrators at both are keeping a close watch for changes.” Article
And as stated in that article, most of the data I’ve been able to find suggests crisis calls of all types are up, but not near the growth as you’ve suggested for Indiana. Let me say I don’t know the relative validity of the data in the articles I’ve provided, so what they say may or may not be accurate . . . much like the data in the articles you provided. At least I’m willing to say this though.​

RT Article: “while one national suicide hotline reported a 300 percent increase in calls” (emphasis is mine)

Linked article makes the claim but provides no substantiating data. Question from my standpoint: what does 300% mean? A jump from 1 to 3 is 300%, so the data does matter.​

RT Article: “Portland, Oregon police said suicide threats and attempts had jumped 41 percent from the previous year

Linked article makes the claim but provides no substantiating data. Question from my standpoint: what does 41% mean?​

The New York Post article is written by Betsy McCaughey. She has an entire series of articles stating the same thing, “Get back to work.” She provides no real data in the article. It’s all opinion, though she relies heavily on “accepted” data statements. She’s a strong right-wing op-ed author, so any ‘data’ she provides will usually support her arguments and fail to provide substantiating links. The NYPost is a rag in the same vein as the rags found in Great Britain; sensational, political, and weak on substantiating their claims. Is this really something you want to hang your hat on??

In looking at the Washington Examiner article, it’s not surprising they use anecdotal comments and links to other ‘sources’ which don’t substantiate their claims to represent facts. This is true of many ‘leaning’ periodicals (be left or right). Can’t let actual data get in the way of the narrative. One of their primary data points in the article is provided by “Just Facts” which is a conservative/libertarian ‘research’ group claiming objectivity that just happens to have ALL of their research support their conservative/libertarian views.

One final thought that I want to get ahead of . . . The Lancet just announced a retraction of one of their COVID-19 articles, one regarding Hydroxychloroquine. I want to get ahead of the thought that even the Lancet can’t be trusted because they’ve published articles that were wrong. Actually, the highly publicized retraction is a sign of their integrity and credibility. Groups like RT, NYPost, and Washington Examiner will seldom offer retractions, and never in a highly publicized manner. The Lancet is a highly-respected, peer-reviewed and editorially-reviewed journal. But, even peers and editors can be fooled by someone who falsifies the data of their research.

Frankly, Ghost, I’m surprised that you state that you viewed the data provided within the articles because your full acceptance of the lack of substantiation for that data does not indicate a willingness to actually engage in critical thought about the data.

You've said I didn't engage with any of your comments. I disagree. If I find your sources are questionable, that is an implied questioning of your opinions. It appears to me like you've taken a position and found articles/data that support your position, and called it a day. As I stated before, and I'll state it again with all sincerity, I think you're smarter than that.

For the record, I believe the Iowa State AD has every right to be concerned about what happens if/when one his athletes contracts COVID-19, though he may have stated it in a rather dramatic fashion.
 

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GhostofMBA: “BTW, CDC is not reporting 100,000 deaths either.“

Yes, they are. CDC reports 109,192 Covid-19 related deaths (CDC COVID Data Tracker)​
Please do not down play the Lancet retraction that you touted. The New England Journal of Medicine also retracted its article using the same flawed data. The authors only retracted because of independent pressure. They could not be bothered to check the data. So much for that. This outbreak has gone beyond the integrity of any source. It has now been politicized to where even the very institutions you placed your strongest beliefs in crumbled. No thanks, I will stick to the boots on the ground on this one like you see in the links below who are able to tell their experiences.

Are you seriously trying to take a quote from Wednesday and applying today's data on it? BTW, the number on that day right before I made the comment, because I verified on the CDC website, you know, the same website I linked the table to on the age brackets earlier, was 88,000+ at that point. Pretty disingenuous of you to do that.

The data is still there on the link I provided on that post on Wednesday, which is still visible now:

Data as ofStart weekEnd WeekStateSexAge groupCOVID-19 DeathsTotal DeathsPneumonia DeathsPneumonia and COVID-19 DeathsInfluenza DeathsPneumonia, Influenza, or COVID-19 Deaths
6/3/2020​
2/1/2020​
5/30/2020​
United StatesAll Sexes TotalAll Ages
88,243
1,030,799​
100,796​
38,516​
6,354​
155,951​

And this is the last I am going to on this thread: There may be more of that "flawed" data than you may want to admit. This is just a small sampling, but, imho pretty telling about what is happening on those front lines.

Like I said, at the end of the day, each one of use has to make our own decisions and weigh those risks. You believe what you want.

But I am still laughing at that AD at Iowa State. I am not laughing at the poor people who have died or the people who are feeling the negative affects of the lockdown.
 

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Please do not down play the Lancet retraction that you touted. The New England Journal of Medicine also retracted its article using the same flawed data. The authors only retracted because of independent pressure. They could not be bothered to check the data. So much for that. This outbreak has gone beyond the integrity of any source. It has now been politicized to where even the very institutions you placed your strongest beliefs in crumbled. No thanks, I will stick to the boots on the ground on this one like you see in the links below who are able to tell their experiences.

Are you seriously trying to take a quote from Wednesday and applying today's data on it? BTW, the number on that day right before I made the comment, because I verified on the CDC website, you know, the same website I linked the table to on the age brackets earlier, was 88,000+ at that point. Pretty disingenuous of you to do that.

The data is still there on the link I provided on that post on Wednesday, which is still visible now:

Data as ofStart weekEnd WeekStateSexAge groupCOVID-19 DeathsTotal DeathsPneumonia DeathsPneumonia and COVID-19 DeathsInfluenza DeathsPneumonia, Influenza, or COVID-19 Deaths
6/3/2020​
2/1/2020​
5/30/2020​
United StatesAll Sexes TotalAll Ages
88,243
1,030,799​
100,796​
38,516​
6,354​
155,951​

And this is the last I am going to on this thread: There may be more of that "flawed" data than you may want to admit. This is just a small sampling, but, imho pretty telling about what is happening on those front lines.

Like I said, at the end of the day, each one of use has to make our own decisions and weigh those risks. You believe what you want.

But I am still laughing at that AD at Iowa State. I am not laughing at the poor people who have died or the people who are feeling the negative affects of the lockdown.
And yet the front page of the CDC’s COVID-19 site states very clearly: 109,901 deaths. Like I said, you’re picking the data to support your narrative. You’d rather believe the info touted by sensationalist rags than long-time, highly respected journals. Fine. Done with your lack of critical thinking. “Ignore” it is.
 

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It is being mentioned and reported. Did you also miss the reporting on doctors in California are now on record as being "pressured" to put down COD as Covid-19 without any proof that it was Covid-19? BTW, CDC is not reporting 100,000 deaths either. I am not sure what news stories you look at. But here are a few for suicide increasing, and as mentioned, more suicide deaths than Covid-19 deaths in certain areas:

Did you also miss the news stories about home abuse and divorce rates are on the rise? Did you know that for child abuse, schools are one of the biggest helpers in identifying and helping those in that situation?

So yeah, "

“The virus is here and a real threat for our department.”
:ROFLMAO:

The virus is here, and it is not leaving. Just like H1N1 did when it hit the scene (almost 70 million infected in the US in the first year). Looks like Iowa State is following the generally accepted protocol when someone tests positive (I did not see if this was a confirmed test or just a symptomatic test).
Some might not take the time to look into the three"articles" cited in Ghost's post. The first is from RT news; RT is "Russia Today." The second is not a news article but rather an opinion piece written by a right wing political writer. The third is from the right wing Washington Examiner. So no, Ghost, I am not persuaded that your "news" sources are legitimate of persuasive that there have been hundreds of thousands of suicides in the past three months. Not even FoxNews has reported that as actual fact.
 

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Some might not take the time to look into the three"articles" cited in Ghost's post. The first is from RT news; RT is "Russia Today." The second is not a news article but rather an opinion piece written by a right wing political writer. The third is from the right wing Washington Examiner. So no, Ghost, I am not persuaded that your "news" sources are legitimate of persuasive that there have been hundreds of thousands of suicides in the past three months. Not even FoxNews has reported that as actual fact.
 

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Sorry, I did a pisspoor job of thoroughly reading this thread before my last post. I now see that Bird Friend had already outed Ghost's "articles" for how much weight they deserved.
 
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