Jsnhbe1Birds
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That's the number to watch all season. Once they get to 6 losses arch madness is their only hope.
My guess is once they found out EC left, we actually moved up a few spots.WeLoveTheBirds said:What is the chance that they had us higher on the list but with new news of Ndiaye not being eligible, Elijah not coming back, etc. they moved us into #66.
I guess my ultimate question is do they jack with the list as time goes on to account for updates over the 144 days?
Jsnhbe1Birds said:crazzymark said:have to win the micro valley coop to make the dance....
I think 28-6 makes it if no bad losses (11-2 and 15-3 + 2-1). 29-5 for sure. I think 11-2 non conference is doable and 15-3 in conference is doable. 28-6 to is very realistic. With no bad losses that's an at large bid with their schedule this year. Remember they were the second team out at 27-6 (one less game and win) with 2 bad losses in '17 and worse schedule. 28-6 with no bad losses gets them in
CaliRdBrd said:My guess is once they found out EC left, we actually moved up a few spots.WeLoveTheBirds said:What is the chance that they had us higher on the list but with new news of Ndiaye not being eligible, Elijah not coming back, etc. they moved us into #66.
I guess my ultimate question is do they jack with the list as time goes on to account for updates over the 144 days?
Flagship08 said:We get very little respect with this ranking. Meanwhile (and I hate to bring it up again) but this ranking views Wichita State will have a better team than us. Right or wrong this let's you see the perception gap between our programs.
Jsnhbe1Birds said:Flagship08 said:We get very little respect with this ranking. Meanwhile (and I hate to bring it up again) but this ranking views Wichita State will have a better team than us. Right or wrong this let's you see the perception gap between our programs.
I think the ranking is spot on. What have our players proved? They went 18-15 with virtually the same team. The people doing the rankings aren't going to assume they improve by 8 games nor are they going to assume Copeland is the real deal without anything backing it up.
With that being said I don't think WSU is better than ISU but maybe they give the benefit of the doubt to Marshall and what he has been able to accomplish.
Redbird Alum 2004 said:Jsnhbe1Birds said:Flagship08 said:We get very little respect with this ranking. Meanwhile (and I hate to bring it up again) but this ranking views Wichita State will have a better team than us. Right or wrong this let's you see the perception gap between our programs.
I think the ranking is spot on. What have our players proved? They went 18-15 with virtually the same team. The people doing the rankings aren't going to assume they improve by 8 games nor are they going to assume Copeland is the real deal without anything backing it up.
With that being said I don't think WSU is better than ISU but maybe they give the benefit of the doubt to Marshall and what he has been able to accomplish.
I look at it this way. Copeland > Williams? Jefferson > Hein? Chastain > Gasman? Those three players logged a lot of minutes last year. If the rankings can include incoming freshman who haven't proved anything then why can't they include those three players who are upgrades? We will be better because we will be deeper.
Jsnhbe1Birds said:Flagship08 said:We get very little respect with this ranking. Meanwhile (and I hate to bring it up again) but this ranking views Wichita State will have a better team than us. Right or wrong this let's you see the perception gap between our programs.
I think the ranking is spot on. What have our players proved? They went 18-15 with virtually the same team. The people doing the rankings aren't going to assume they improve by 8 games nor are they going to assume Copeland is the real deal without anything backing it up.
With that being said I don't think WSU is better than ISU but maybe they give the benefit of the doubt to Marshall and what he has been able to accomplish.
Flagship08 said:Jsnhbe1Birds said:Flagship08 said:We get very little respect with this ranking. Meanwhile (and I hate to bring it up again) but this ranking views Wichita State will have a better team than us. Right or wrong this let's you see the perception gap between our programs.
I think the ranking is spot on. What have our players proved? They went 18-15 with virtually the same team. The people doing the rankings aren't going to assume they improve by 8 games nor are they going to assume Copeland is the real deal without anything backing it up.
With that being said I don't think WSU is better than ISU but maybe they give the benefit of the doubt to Marshall and what he has been able to accomplish.
Consider this, Loyola went into last season with the same team MINUS its first team all conference and best player Milton Doyle. They were 8-10 the previous season and you would think wouldn't be significantly better. However, a veteran team (helped by a couple surprise newcomers) can significantly improve its year over year record. You saw it in the way Loyola played team defense at an elite level in their final 4 run. And they were dominate all year. Experience is extremely valuable in college since teams turnover players so often.
http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/14979
Redbirdwarrior said:Whoever said that this is ranking gives us very little respect is SPOT ON. ISU should be spending most of the year in the top half of the "others receiving votes" section of the media poll. To put the birds in the mid 60s is a bit of a joke and certainly bulletin board material.
Jsnhbe1Birds said:1. No idea what you are talking about last part. I've been around since about a few months before the old board went bye bye. Maybe 2 years?
Jsnhbe1Birds said:I'm not worried. If ISU is as close as they were to an at-large in 2017 then they will get in. The committee will not egregiously snub the same mid-major twice in three years. It just won't happen.
Jsnhbe1Birds said:I'm not sure how that means 14 years or whatever....but anyway I stand by that. The committee I believe wouldn't want the bad press of doing it to the same team twice in a three year period. It was national news the first time. They want quiet as possible because they don't want reform. And that has nothing to do with this conversation. I do think isu wins 26 games but understand why the people doing the rankings don't believe they are. You're talking postseason committee I'm talking preseason rankings
Jsnhbe1Birds said:Flagship08 said:We get very little respect with this ranking. Meanwhile (and I hate to bring it up again) but this ranking views Wichita State will have a better team than us. Right or wrong this let's you see the perception gap between our programs.
I think the ranking is spot on. What have our players proved? They went 18-15 with virtually the same team. The people doing the rankings aren't going to assume they improve by 8 games nor are they going to assume Copeland is the real deal without anything backing it up.
With that being said I don't think WSU is better than ISU but maybe they give the benefit of the doubt to Marshall and what he has been able to accomplish.