A letter from AD Beggs on NIL

ChiRedbirdfan

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Dr Beggs:

I am looking forward to your response on the previous topic regarding number of varsity sports offered by ISU especially as it relates to the new college landscape and our ability to compete with our conference peers and, more importantly, on a national basis. Further I would also like your perspective on how ISU Athletics operates relative to its conference peers. Again, I am looking for a reason to return to financially supporting ISU Atheltics, namely men's basketball and football with NIL donations, but first I need to believe ISU Athletics itself is operating efffectively and efficiently. Please note the following annual expense data for ISU and conference peers ( also Northern Illinois):

FootballBasketballTotalAnnual
CoachCoachCoach/StaffDifference vs
SalarySalaryExpensesISU
Illinois State
$365,000​
$565,000​
$10,803,000​
Indiana State
$218,000​
$365,000​
$5,790,000​
-$5,013,000​
Missouri State
$275,000​
$439,000​
$8,483,000​
-$2,320,000​
Murray State
$260,000​
$520,000​
$5,768,000​
-$5,035,000​
Northern Iowa
$400,000​
$900,000​
$7,221,000​
-$3,582,000​
Northern Illlinois
$677,000​
$321,000​
$7,971,000​
-$2,832,000​
Southern Illinois
$265,000​
$460,000​
$6,170,000​
-$4,633,000​
UICN/a
$410,000​
$6,426,000​
-$4,377,000​


When looking at how much more ISU spends than it public university peers on coach/staff expenses it is hard for me to justify donating as I find ISU's annual staff expenditures alarming. Given our lack of success on the field and the court it seems as though we are poorly managed as respects to finances. I am hoping that is not the case but hard to believe otherwise when looking at these expenditures. I thought maybe we paid our men's basketball and football coaches signficantly more than our conference peers but as you can see that is not the case. I also though maybe we spend more on academic support for our students and consequently our academic progress rate would be higher but that is not the case as MO State, UNI and SIU had higher APR's in 2022 for men's basketball than ISU and Indiana State and Uni had higher APRs in football than ISU. I know that you are not responsible for these financial results but I am hoping you can shed some light as to why our staff expenses are so much higher than all other listed universities. Maybe there is a good explanation?

Thank you and I look forward to your response.

Respectfully,
 
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normalbird

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Chi Fan,

Good info, thanks for putting it together. I was surprised by the large differences in athletics budgets. That said, I’ve never observed any profligate or extravagant spending by Athletics; in fact, quite the opposite

I think it is unrealistic to expect the AD to engage in a back and forth discussion on this board with its members.

One of the explanations for spending disparities might be the number of sports programs supported by the various institutions. ISU has always tried to maintain a variety of non-revenue sports to complement its overall policy of inclusivity and diversity.

Any idea how UNI’s overall university budget compares to ISU?
 

ChiRedbirdfan

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Chi Fan,

Good info, thanks for putting it together. I was surprised by the large differences in athletics budgets. That said, I’ve never observed any profligate or extravagant spending by Athletics; in fact, quite the opposite

I think it is unrealistic to expect the AD to engage in a back and forth discussion on this board with its members.

One of the explanations for spending disparities might be the number of sports programs supported by the various institutions. ISU has always tried to maintain a variety of non-revenue sports to complement its overall policy of inclusivity and diversity.

Any idea how UNI’s overall university budget compares to ISU?
Agree that extravagant spending may not be the issue but maybe we are not as lean and mean as our competitors/conf mates? It seems we may be a bloated/overstaffed operation as measured by our conference peers. All these $$$s on staff are dollars that could be spent on facilities, better head coaches. I looked at staffing and we appear to be so heavily staffed....we now have an athletic department employee with the title "chief operating officer. Wish I had accerss to real live ISU athletic department expnese data to delve into where ISU spends it money on staffing and do some in-depth comparisons. We have not had success in so long in men's basketball and we even struggle in a weaker FCS football division and I believe it is not due to bad luck as some do believe. That is why I started to analyze how ISU Athletics operates relative to its peers. It has been eye opening on the surface and now I am beginning to believe that the lack of winning is, in large part, a cultural issue.

btw....I am posting emails that I will ultimately send directly to the AD. Will i get an answer? ..who knows but i guess not likely given the topic. Sharing the information with others to gain their perspective.

I would guess that UNI's overall university budget is significantly smaller than ISU. Will look it up tomorrow.
 
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BirdGrad2011

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Dr Beggs:

I am looking forward to your response on the previous topic regarding number of varsity sports offered by ISU especially as it relates to the new college landscape and our ability to compete with our conference peers and, more importantly, on a national basis. Further I would also like your perspective on how ISU Athletics operates relative to its conference peers. Again, I am looking for a reason to return to financially supporting ISU Atheltics, namely men's basketball and football with NIL donations, but first I need to believe ISU Athletics itself is operating efffectively and efficiently. Please note the following annual expense data for ISU and conference peers ( also Northern Illinois):

FootballBasketballTotalAnnual
CoachCoachCoach/StaffDifference vs
SalarySalaryExpensesISU
Illinois State
$365,000​
$565,000​
$10,803,000​
Indiana State
$218,000​
$365,000​
$5,790,000​
-$5,013,000​
Missouri State
$275,000​
$439,000​
$8,483,000​
-$2,320,000​
Murray State
$260,000​
$520,000​
$5,768,000​
-$5,035,000​
Northern Iowa
$400,000​
$900,000​
$7,221,000​
-$3,582,000​
Northern Illlinois
$677,000​
$321,000​
$7,971,000​
-$2,832,000​
Southern Illinois
$265,000​
$460,000​
$6,170,000​
-$4,633,000​
UICN/a
$410,000​
$6,426,000​
-$4,377,000​


When looking at how much more ISU spends than it public university peers on coach/staff expenses it is hard for me to justify donating as I find ISU's annual staff expenditures alarming. Given our lack of success on the field and the court it seems as though we are poorly managed as respects to finances. I am hoping that is not the case but hard to believe otherwise when looking at these expenditures. I thought maybe we paid our men's basketball and football coaches signficantly more than our conference peers but as you can see that is not the case. I also though maybe we spend more on academic support for our students and consequently our academic progress rate would be higher but that is not the case as MO State, UNI and SIU had higher APR's in 2022 for men's basketball than ISU and Indiana State and Uni had higher APRs in football than ISU. I know that you are not responsible for these financial results but I am hoping you can shed some light as to why our staff expenses are so much higher than all other listed universities. Maybe there is a good explanation?

Thank you and I look forward to your response.

Respectfully,
Your info is outdated and incorrect. Both Missouri State and SIU are spending on par with if not more than ISU for basketball coaches. It’s the price of doing business.
 
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BirdGrad2011

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2022 data. Show me where you are getting the numbers.
Look up what they just hired Nagy and Martin for respectively. Both got $600k.


 

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Look up what they just hired Nagy and Martin for respectively. Both got $600k.



It is not the spending on men’s basketball and football that is out of line with our peers, but sports with lots less revenue and media exposure along with the overall athletic department that is way out of line with our peers.
 

Birdswin

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ChiRedbirdfan - excellent work on finding this information. Your note to Interim AD Beggs is spot on - well written. Thanks for all of the work you are doing.
 
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