What Style of Game do you want to see?

[CaliRdBrd]

Winning? Okay, mission accomplished.

2012–13 Illinois State 18–15
2013–14 Illinois State 18–16
2014–15 Illinois State 22–13
2015–16 Illinois State 18–14
2016–17 Illinois State 28–7
2017–18 Illinois State 18–15
2018–19 Illinois State 17-16

Winning season every year.

When you put it this way 2016-17 looks like an outlier. In 6 of the 7 seasons Muller has lost at least 13 games. Only twice out of seven did he win 20. I will accredit him for playing a tougher schedule than Captain Janks' D2 schedule, but it doesn't look like Muller is making any kind of consistent progress against that harder schedule.

If we go 18-15 (or something similar) next year with no NCAA, can we all agree it’s time to move on?

 

[ricohill]

Winning? Okay, mission accomplished.

2012–13 Illinois State 18–15
2013–14 Illinois State 18–16
2014–15 Illinois State 22–13
2015–16 Illinois State 18–14
2016–17 Illinois State 28–7
2017–18 Illinois State 18–15
2018–19 Illinois State 17-16

Winning season every year.

When you put it this way 2016-17 looks like an outlier. In 6 of the 7 seasons Muller has lost at least 13 games. Only twice out of seven did he win 20. I will accredit him for playing a tougher schedule than Captain Janks' D2 schedule, but it doesn't look like Muller is making any kind of consistent progress against that harder schedule.

2012–13 Illinois State 18–15 - 9-4 - nc sos 239
2013–14 Illinois State 18–16 -7-5 - nc sos 98
2014–15 Illinois State 22–13 -8-4 - nc sos 102
2015–16 Illinois State 18–14 - 6-7 - nc sos 71
2016–17 Illinois State 28–7 - 8-4 - nc sos 173
2017–18 Illinois State 18–15 - 6-6 - nc sos 22
2018–19 Illinois State 17-16 - 7-6 - nc sos 129

I added non conf and non conf sos for each year. Dan is 51-36 in non-conference games (did not include post-season because those aren't scheduled). That is a 58.6% non-conf winning percentage. 7 of those wins are against non-d1 teams. In D1 games he is 44-36 = 55%.

Average non-conf SOS (ken pom) is 119.

The best year they had was also the worst non-conf sos in his 7 years.

Top Non-Conf win each season:
2013 - Dayton - 115
2014- Dayton - 33
2015- Old Dominion - 41 - Would lose lose at ODU in NIT
2016 - Morehead State - 100
2017 - New Mexico - 87
2018 - South Carolina - 85
2019 - BYU - RPI 93

So it is kind of a mixed bag. Played better competition, but average results.

 

[bombay]

Smithson. With that calibre of players.

 

[ISU FAN 1]

Cheat like crazy, but never get caught.

 

[HT59]

Smithson. With that calibre of players.

 

[CaliRdBrd]

Winning? Okay, mission accomplished.

2012–13 Illinois State 18–15
2013–14 Illinois State 18–16
2014–15 Illinois State 22–13
2015–16 Illinois State 18–14
2016–17 Illinois State 28–7
2017–18 Illinois State 18–15
2018–19 Illinois State 17-16

Winning season every year.

When you put it this way 2016-17 looks like an outlier. In 6 of the 7 seasons Muller has lost at least 13 games. Only twice out of seven did he win 20. I will accredit him for playing a tougher schedule than Captain Janks' D2 schedule, but it doesn't look like Muller is making any kind of consistent progress against that harder schedule.

2012–13 Illinois State 18–15 - 9-4 - nc sos 147
2013–14 Illinois State 18–16 -7-5 - nc sos 98
2014–15 Illinois State 22–13 -8-4 - nc sos 102
2015–16 Illinois State 18–14 - 6-7 - nc sos 71
2016–17 Illinois State 28–7 - 8-4 - nc sos 173
2017–18 Illinois State 18–15 - 6-6 - nc sos 22
2018–19 Illinois State 17-16 - 7-6 - nc sos 129

I added non conf and non conf sos for each year. Dan is 51-36 in non-conference games (did not include post-season because those aren't scheduled). That is a 58.6% non-conf winning percentage. 7 of those wins are against non-d1 teams. In D1 games he is 44-36 = 55%.

Average non-conf SOS (ken pom) is 106.

The best year they had was also the worst non-conf sos in his 7 years.

Top Non-Conf win each season:
2013 - Dayton - 115
2014- Dayton - 33
2015- Old Dominion - 41 - Would lose lose at ODU in NIT
2016 - Morehead State - 100
2017 - New Mexico - 87
2018 - South Carolina - 85
2019 - BYU - RPI 93

So it is kind of a mixed bag. Played better competition, but average results.

Sobering. Verrrrrrry sobering.

 

[Tpguy]

female cheerleaders streaking

 

[stats]

I am all for a tough non-conference schedule because they are usually more fun to watch. I also understand why we want a good SOS rating. To assume a tougher schedule is going to make your team better just isn't true, unless you win enough of those games.

 

[ricohill]

When you put it this way 2016-17 looks like an outlier. In 6 of the 7 seasons Muller has lost at least 13 games. Only twice out of seven did he win 20. I will accredit him for playing a tougher schedule than Captain Janks' D2 schedule, but it doesn't look like Muller is making any kind of consistent progress against that harder schedule.

2012–13 Illinois State 18–15 - 9-4 - nc sos 147
2013–14 Illinois State 18–16 -7-5 - nc sos 98
2014–15 Illinois State 22–13 -8-4 - nc sos 102
2015–16 Illinois State 18–14 - 6-7 - nc sos 71
2016–17 Illinois State 28–7 - 8-4 - nc sos 173
2017–18 Illinois State 18–15 - 6-6 - nc sos 22
2018–19 Illinois State 17-16 - 7-6 - nc sos 129

I added non conf and non conf sos for each year. Dan is 51-36 in non-conference games (did not include post-season because those aren't scheduled). That is a 58.6% non-conf winning percentage. 7 of those wins are against non-d1 teams. In D1 games he is 44-36 = 55%.

Average non-conf SOS (ken pom) is 106.

The best year they had was also the worst non-conf sos in his 7 years.

Top Non-Conf win each season:
2013 - Dayton - 115
2014- Dayton - 33
2015- Old Dominion - 41 - Would lose lose at ODU in NIT
2016 - Morehead State - 100
2017 - New Mexico - 87
2018 - South Carolina - 85
2019 - BYU - RPI 93

So it is kind of a mixed bag. Played better competition, but average results.

Sobering. Verrrrrrry sobering.

Another thing I noticed looking at our NCAA team sheets during the Muller era. Here is the average RPI win for each season.

2013 - 172
2014 - 167
2015 - 171
2016 - 205
2017 - 190
2018 - 140
2019 - 180

So the average RPI ranking on a team we beat is 175 the last 7 years. So a lot of wins against so-so competition.

Also, every year except 2017, 2015, and 2013 (I made a mistake in the initial info our non conf sos was 239 in 2013) our conf sos was worse than our non conf sos.

 

[SgtHulka]

female cheerleaders streaking

:text-+1:

 

[CaliRdBrd]

2012–13 Illinois State 18–15 - 9-4 - nc sos 147
2013–14 Illinois State 18–16 -7-5 - nc sos 98
2014–15 Illinois State 22–13 -8-4 - nc sos 102
2015–16 Illinois State 18–14 - 6-7 - nc sos 71
2016–17 Illinois State 28–7 - 8-4 - nc sos 173
2017–18 Illinois State 18–15 - 6-6 - nc sos 22
2018–19 Illinois State 17-16 - 7-6 - nc sos 129

I added non conf and non conf sos for each year. Dan is 51-36 in non-conference games (did not include post-season because those aren't scheduled). That is a 58.6% non-conf winning percentage. 7 of those wins are against non-d1 teams. In D1 games he is 44-36 = 55%.

Average non-conf SOS (ken pom) is 106.

The best year they had was also the worst non-conf sos in his 7 years.

Top Non-Conf win each season:
2013 - Dayton - 115
2014- Dayton - 33
2015- Old Dominion - 41 - Would lose lose at ODU in NIT
2016 - Morehead State - 100
2017 - New Mexico - 87
2018 - South Carolina - 85
2019 - BYU - RPI 93

So it is kind of a mixed bag. Played better competition, but average results.

Sobering. Verrrrrrry sobering.

Another thing I noticed looking at our NCAA team sheets during the Muller era. Here is the average RPI win for each season.

2013 - 172
2014 - 167
2015 - 171
2016 - 205
2017 - 190
2018 - 140
2019 - 180

So the average RPI ranking on a team we beat is 175 the last 7 years. So a lot of wins against so-so competition.

Also, every year except 2017, 2015, and 2013 (I made a mistake in the initial info our non conf sos was 239 in 2013) our conf sos was worse than our non conf sos.

Enough already You’re not making me feel any better