Valparaiso - 01/21/2023 - 6:00 PM - ESPN3

[Birdfriend72]

Sissoko and Sandy speak more to the depth issues showing up lately. Our regular rotation is gassed.

He won’t if all he can recruit is guards.

 

[Popsto4]

Not necessarily. it depends on what Pedon does with this roster. It needs to be restructured. He can’t maintain dead weight scholarships. The good news for him is he didn’t recruit the bulk of them. He will need 2 front court players. He can’t wait for the Walker kid to develop. He is at least 2 years of development before his contribution will mean anything. Looks like a great kid- but needs to develop.

Yep that’s right. We need to understand too that a few of the returners are developing through this rough season and will grow from these harsh lessons. We don’t necessarily need a dominant big either just one that’s competent enough down low. I just hope the Kisinger kid will and play within himself. Speaking of bigs 2 would be great for the program.

 

[Birdfriend72]

I keep messing up Kendall Lewis’ name because it’s almost a combination of Kellen Thornton - who he reminds me of when he’s hitting shots - and Tony Lewis, whose game he mirrors when he’s not.

Muller should have been recruiting the classes in Illinois. He should have been in Cole Certa’s living room early on. I watch the kid play in 7th grade and knew he was going to be good. He was shooting lights outs then. We don’t have the luxury of winning a recruiting battle with the past 5 years results. We need to build this program from ground up. I’m hoping Pedon has a gift of developing players and friendships.

 

[Birdfriend72]

Yep that’s right. We need to understand too that a few of the returners are developing through this rough season and will grow from these harsh lessons. We don’t necessarily need a dominant big either just one that’s competent enough down low. I just hope the Kisinger kid will and play within himself. Speaking of bigs 2 would be great for the program.

We need some one that can be consistent and work hard. They can’t take nights off. You have to want to compete. 2 points from 3 players in 2 straight games- or whatever the number is- isn’t going to cut it. We got killed on the boards and in the post scoring. The hard part for Pedon is that everyone can’t return. We can’t have everyone returning that is suppose too. It just makes it that much more difficult to build the program. Pedon will need to have some tough conversations at the end of the season.

 

[Manchester Matt]

Wearing Black uniforms at home - Bad Karma - worked so well in the Fall - all teams lost. Wear white at home - period.

We definitely lost because of the uniforms.

I mean, you realize the women wore them the night before, right? How’d that go?

Shit like this cracks me up.

 

[DaveBird10]

Last nights game was frustrating, most frustrated I've been this season. I love the kids the effort they put in and the buy in with the rebuild but yesterday was rough. I thought we were in trouble when we were down 9 at half with Krikke and King being so quiet. Thats not a recipe for success vs Valpo.
The last few games have started to bother me where we let a kid get hot and not realize it and not really put pressure on the kid. Green was 6/8 from 3 and as Pedon said "a lot of them were hands down man down." Can't let other guys continue to beat us.
After last night's loss Matt Lotich is now 7-5 at Redbird Arena and has won 9 of the last 11.

 

[dpdoughbird06]

Lunardi’s projected bracket has the MVC representative, SIU as a 14 seed. Ouch. The MVC has turned into the MEAC and SWAC. So the conference sucks and we’re at the bottom of that. Maybe the program is beyond repair.

Or, glass half full, you could see this as nobody is currently dominating the Valley like Creighton/Wichita/UNI/Loyola took turns doing.

With so many transfers every year, a rebuild can get you to the top faster than ever. Every roster is built on sand now, so build your best castle before the next wave of transfers washes it away.

If Pedon is a solid recruiter and coach (I’m still hopeful), this current environment should allow him to excel in the next two years.

The flip side: any success will be hard to sustain, as P5 will be looking to poach any of our HS recruits who excel right away or break out as sophomores.

Setting a culture that endures through roster turnover and building a system that transfers can assimilate into quickly is probably the goal these days.

We may never see another freshman stick around for his Senior Day. Maybe Kotov…

 

[Buffett1]

Not necessarily. it depends on what Pedon does with this roster. It needs to be restructured. He can’t maintain dead weight scholarships. The good news for him is he didn’t recruit the bulk of them. He will need 2 front court players. He can’t wait for the Walker kid to develop. He is at least 2 years of development before his contribution will mean anything. Looks like a great kid- but needs to develop.

Yep that’s right. We need to understand too that a few of the returners are developing through this rough season and will grow from these harsh lessons. We don’t necessarily need a dominant big either just one that’s competent enough down low. I just hope the Kisinger kid will and play within himself. Speaking of bigs 2 would be great for the program.

You ok with the offense we run? Can’t blame players for everything

 

[Birdfriend72]

You ok with the offense we run? Can’t blame players for everything

I didn’t see the game. I was watching the score on my phone. But I watch the game before and Lewis was non existent. If he played that way last night- it doesn’t matter what offense you run. If Lewis and McChesney can’t rebound of score- it doesn’t matter what Pedon runs. He doesn’t put forth the effort for them.

 

[Buffett1]

I didn’t see the game. I was watching the score on my phone. But I watch the game before and Lewis was non existent. If he played that way last night- it doesn’t matter what offense you run. If Lewis and McChesney can’t rebound of score- it doesn’t matter what Pedon runs. He doesn’t put forth the effort for them.

Put them in a position to score. a coach can do something about effort also.
oh yes he can

 

[Redbird82]

Or, glass half full, you could see this as nobody is currently dominating the Valley like Creighton/Wichita/UNI/Loyola took turns doing.

With so many transfers every year, a rebuild can get you to the top faster than ever. Every roster is built on sand now, so build your best castle before the next wave of transfers washes it away.

If Pedon is a solid recruiter and coach (I’m still hopeful), this current environment should allow him to excel in the next two years.

The flip side: any success will be hard to sustain, as P5 will be looking to poach any of our HS recruits who excel right away or break out as sophomores.

Setting a culture that endures through roster turnover and building a system that transfers can assimilate into quickly is probably the goal these days.

We may never see another freshman stick around for his Senior Day. Maybe Kotov…

You said it better than I did in my bad mood last night, but it was the point I was trying to make you don’t have to wait 4 years. However you are also correct in that it is tougher to maintain now.

 

[TIMMY]

Almost all, get in the weight room.

This. Bigger, faster, stronger beats smaller, slower weaker every time.
Being gassed at the end of a game because of depth is a bad excuse for a team that continually loses games in the first 10 minutes.

 

[Buffett1]

This. Bigger, faster, stronger beats smaller, slower weaker every time.
Being gassed at the end of a game because of depth is a bad excuse for a team that continually loses games in the first 10 minutes.

Spot on

 

[Popsto4]

You ok with the offense we run? Can’t blame players for everything

I think the offense is fine. I can tell when good strong screens aren’t set. The standing around in the corners aren’t always the offensive scheme. The kids can go off schedule by cutting or flashing sometimes. For some reason they just chose to not do so. When the ball sticks that’s always on the players and never the coa

 

[SgtHulka]

We fixed the slow start issue!!! Congrats!

 

[TIMMY]

I think the offense is fine. I can tell when good strong screens aren’t set. The standing around in the corners aren’t always the offensive scheme. The kids can go off schedule by cutting or flashing sometimes. For some reason they just chose to not do so. When the ball sticks that’s always on the players and never the coa

Strong screens are set by strong players. It takes time to develop athletes and a culture of toughness.

 

[Buffett1]

I think the offense is fine. I can tell when good strong screens aren’t set. The standing around in the corners aren’t always the offensive scheme. The kids can go off schedule by cutting or flashing sometimes. For some reason they just chose to not do so. When the ball sticks that’s always on the players and never the coa

We have had a bad offense since forever Including this year

 

[BirdGrad2011]

We have had a bad offense since forever Including this year

The scheme has nothing to do with it. They get a lot of open looks and looks they want. Scheme has nothing to do with unforced turnovers. Scheme has nothing to do with missed high percentage shots. Talent is the issue.

 

[Buffett1]

I think the offense is fine. I can tell when good strong screens aren’t set. The standing around in the corners aren’t always the offensive scheme. The kids can go off schedule by cutting or flashing sometimes. For some reason they just chose to not do so. When the ball sticks that’s always on the players and never the coa

We have had a bad offense since forever Including this year. If the ball sticks work on this in practice

 

[Buffett1]

The scheme has nothing to do with it. They get a lot of open looks and looks they want. Scheme has nothing to do with unforced turnovers. Scheme has nothing to do with missed high percentage shots. Talent is the issue.

24 second click issues. No under basket out of bounds play Caught along baseline etc