BirdGrad2011
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2 in 10 is fantasticDidn't Muller go to two NIT's? Both times to the 2nd round too?
2 in 10 is fantasticDidn't Muller go to two NIT's? Both times to the 2nd round too?
He went to Florida for David Ndiaye. Hein was the player he gave a scholarship to as a deal to get Ndiaye. A horrible recruiting move that tied up 2 scholarships in a way that hurt us, but it wasn’t to go get Hein.Dan didn’t recruit unless he got a vacation out of it. He didn’t try for Chastain until he made state. He pissed off countless Illinois kids by ignoring them. DB is on the roster and said similar. Never tried for Krutwig. Never tried for Avila. Don’t worry he’d go to Florida for Matt Hein. We lost Dana, we lost Ward, we lost recruiting.
He didn’t get out to high schools. He didn’t get out to open gyms. Pedon did and does. Coaches have tweeted it’s the first time seeing ISU come in. Recruiting was beneath him.
CBI semis too (13-14) after we hosted Texas A&M. That sounds so strange, talking about a P5 school in RBA.Didn't Muller go to two NIT's? Both times to the 2nd round too?
David Ndiaye was such a great addition it cost 2 scholarships. Throw in Keyshawn that forgot how to shoot his senior year. Emon Washington who didn’t even make the roster on his D2 squad. 2 scholarships to twins that weren’t D1 caliber. Yarbrough who had more run ins with the law than anything. Let’s not forget our rotation was basically 7 players at the end of the season. Sandage got hurt and Petrakis had a really down year. The rest? All Dan Muller players.He went to Florida for David Ndiaye. Hein was the player he gave a scholarship to as a deal to get Ndiaye. A horrible recruiting move that tied up 2 scholarships in a way that hurt us, but it wasn’t to go get Hein.
I 100% agree he didn’t recruit locally, and it hurt. But it seems the HS places he went to were not here. He wasn’t just going on vacation though.
Most of this. I’m just bitter that Dan and Larry Lyons let the program get to that low.Not sure why I’m posting since it’s a pointless argument, but I get tired of Jank always getting a bum rap on the board. It wasn’t 10 years of bad with Dan , but the last 3-4 sure were, and admittedly Dan did have one year better than any Jank had. Jank also inherited some talent, but he took over a program that Was a dumpster fire after Richardson/Moser. Ok he played a weak schedule, didn’t stop him from making 4 NITs in 5 years. 4 top 3 finishes in a league that had Wichita and Creighton. Lost 2 of his title games in OT. He wasn’t Stallings or Donewald and some want to make Muller our to be Richardson/Moser, he wasn’t. But overall no Way he was as successful as Jank.
Benson’s article spoke about not all player meetings being done prior to spring break. I’d be shocked if we don’t hear more this week or next week. Hopefully some clarity on how many scholarships will be open. NCAA Tourney is proving its still a guards game and we need that as well as some more contributing bigs.Can we get this thread back to Valley players entering the portal and off the never ending impossible to prove your point discussion about Jank/Dan.
Hindsight recruiting is my favorite! Can't miss!Never tried for Krutwig. Never tried for Avila. Don’t worry he’d go to Florida for Matt Hein.
Hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Sandage. Burford. Knight. Kasubke. Poindexter. Petrakis. All had major minutes besides the dude who's on to his 4th school soon. Ummm Ummm...who recruited these guys? How many games did we win?Let’s not forget our rotation was basically 7 players at the end of the season. Sandage got hurt and Petrakis had a really down year. The rest? All Dan Muller players.
They were good, and hold the most wins, and I (just like all of you) rooted like heck for them, Dan gets full credit and I thought they should dance...but they were def not the best team in program history, even though they have the mark for most wins. I'd take teams from Smithson, Donewald, and Stallings era over '16-'17. JMO, though, and I respect yours.Anyone who thinks Muller's MVC championship squad wasnt completely screwed by the commitee and wasn't, in every way, a tournament at-large team is either lying or has no idea what they are talking about.
That team was the best team in program history.
You’re so close…Hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Sandage. Burford. Knight. Kasubke. Poindexter. Petrakis. All had major minutes besides the dude who's on to his 4th school soon. Ummm Ummm...who recruited these guys? How many games did we win?
Completely screwed? Yes. Best in program history? No. 77-78 Smithson, 97-98 Stallings. Maybe compared to the 80s NCAA teams.Anyone who thinks Muller's MVC championship squad wasnt completely screwed by the commitee and wasn't, in every way, a tournament at-large team is either lying or has no idea what they are talking about.
That team was the best team in program history. It just was. And it proves that the NCAA decides who can win and who can't.
Want to know why we have not had a tourney team in so long? Politics, money and corruption. Dan Muller went 28-7 (17-1) and somehow didnt make the show. Nope, I'll go to my grave saying that counts as a tourney team in my book.
We seem to live off one NIT year that really seem to define Dan! The big choke in the NIT! If this is our goal- the NIT and one good year…this is why we struggle!Cool Dan had 1 good year. You point to how Smithson, Donewald, and Stallings recruited really good players. Muller would’ve never fallen off if he gave any effort. The stories that have come out since he left are absolutely insane. It’s no wonder it got so bad so fast. He put zero effort into recruiting kids that wanted to be here.
Again- in 10 years! Your measuring stick is small! Wichita fired their coach fir having a winning record and making an NCAA tournament appearance! We need to start having some accountability for the success of our coaches- and stop being satisfied with 2-3/10 NIT appearances!Didn't Muller go to two NIT's? Both times to the 2nd round too?
The only sports bet I’ve ever placed! (I happened to be in Vegas for the Pizza Expo.) That Redbird team had maybe lost once at RBA all year, and A&M was not prepared to deal with Reggie Lynch, if I recall.CBI semis too (13-14) after we hosted Texas A&M. That sounds so strange, talking about a P5 school in RBA.
Not only did we live off of it, we re-upped his contract in such a way that he could still leave pretty much without penalty for a better job, but if he cratered we were on the hook for a revolving five-year payout. I believe LL renewed the deal twice afterwards, too.We seem to live off one NIT year that really seem to define Dan! The big choke in the NIT! If this is our goal- the NIT and one good year…this is why we struggle!
You are absolutely right, but the way it was structured was not even close to what you do. Your first paragraph describes exactly what was wrong with it.Not only did we live off of it, we re-upped his contract in such a way that he could still leave pretty much without penalty for a better job, but if he cratered we were on the hook for a revolving five-year payout. I believe LL renewed the deal twice afterwards, too.
But to retain a Valley coach who’s getting looks from bigger schools, it’s what you do. Or wish him well and start from scratch again.