Valley players entering the portal

fdbird83

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Yeah, right, whatever. I'm not saying don't play by the rules we have now, I'm saying I hate the rules. Do you think I'm too dumb to know "how the portal works"? You think the portal plays to the advantage of "struggling" programs? Really? Aren't we struggling because we lost Reeves and Horne and Chatman and Dusan and . . . . . to the portal?

Turning college sports into a few hundred intinerant, traveling shows stinks, IMHO. I get enough of that kind of crap with pro sports.
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Yeah, right, whatever. I'm not saying don't play by the rules we have now, I'm saying I hate the rules. Do you think I'm too dumb to know "how the portal works"? You think the portal plays to the advantage of "struggling" programs? Really? Aren't we struggling because we lost Reeves and Horne and Chatman and Dusan and . . . . . to the portal?

Turning college sports into a few hundred intinerant, traveling shows stinks, IMHO. I get enough of that kind of crap with pro sports.
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If it wasn't for the portal, we wouldn't have a chance to flip the program quickly. Horne and Reeves would have left in the old system too. Other than those two, who have we lost to the portal that would have got us dancing? (Not even sure they could have done it.) Over 1,000 players currently in the D1 and D2 portals combined according to another post. The portal plays to the advantage of a struggling program to get it turned around quickly. We can offer playing time immediately. The days of waiting 2-3 years for a class to develop and gel are over. Coaches. Go find them, just like everyone else is doing. Everyone in the MVC is playing by the same rules. Adapt. Get better or move on.
But it’s still okay to hate the portal . . . imo
 

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Yeah, right, whatever. I'm not saying don't play by the rules we have now, I'm saying I hate the rules. Do you think I'm too dumb to know "how the portal works"? You think the portal plays to the advantage of "struggling" programs? Really? Aren't we struggling because we lost Reeves and Horne and Chatman and Dusan and . . . . . to the portal?

Turning college sports into a few hundred intinerant, traveling shows stinks, IMHO. I get enough of that kind of crap with pro sports.
We are struggling because we have a reputation of not making the tournament. Also, because we let a below average coach hang around for 10 years. Honestly, we need to find a way to increase the salary or the coaches position to make it a competitive job.
 

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Yeah, right, whatever. I'm not saying don't play by the rules we have now, I'm saying I hate the rules. Do you think I'm too dumb to know "how the portal works"? You think the portal plays to the advantage of "struggling" programs? Really? Aren't we struggling because we lost Reeves and Horne and Chatman and Dusan and . . . . . to the portal?

Turning college sports into a few hundred intinerant, traveling shows stinks, IMHO. I get enough of that kind of crap with pro sports.
That's fair. I'm optimistic that the portal gets us dancing. The program sure couldn't figure out how to do it pre-portal for 20+ years with the old rules. Maybe the program can take advantage of the new system. For every Reeves that jumps to a UK, there is someone in a program below us that can move up and make a difference. Or the 7th or 8th man on a P5 that can move down and get more playing time and become a #1 or #2 at ISU. I think we are in a good spot when it comes to the portal. We can take from both sides. I'm excited to see who we add from the portal for next year. I wish we had more spots open.
 

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We are struggling because we have a reputation of not making the tournament. Also, because we let a below average coach hang around for 10 years. Honestly, we need to find a way to increase the salary or the coaches position to make it a competitive job.
Let it go. Dan's last 3 years were bad. Ryan's first year was bad and we looked more disjointed as a team than we have in many many years...disjointed coaching and disjointed playing. I feel like the 5-23 crew played TOGETHER more as a team than we did last year. I'm not exaggerating. (maybe it was the 9100 fans per game that softened the blow) Dan did manage to win 28 games in his 5th year, more than Smithson, Donewald, or Stallings...with a core of really good players he recruited and a hell of a staff he recruited. I am disgusted by no tourney appearance since 1998, but that is the fault of every coach and team since...most certainly including Dan.

Here's to Ryan&Co winning 29, and soon.👊 We'll see another 1000 players hit the portal over next few weeks.
 

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Let it go. Dan's last 3 years were bad. Ryan's first year was bad and we looked more disjointed as a team than we have in many many years...disjointed coaching and disjointed playing. I feel like the 5-23 crew played TOGETHER more as a team than we did last year. I'm not exaggerating. (maybe it was the 9100 fans per game that softened the blow) Dan did manage to win 28 games in his 5th year, more than Smithson, Donewald, or Stallings...with a core of really good players he recruited and a hell of a staff he recruited. I am disgusted by no tourney appearance since 1998, but that is the fault of every coach and team since...most certainly including Dan.

Here's to Ryan&Co winning 29, and soon.👊 We'll see another 1000 players hit the portal over next few weeks.
Cool Dan had 1 good year. You point to how Smithson, Donewald, and Stallings recruited really good players. Muller would’ve never fallen off if he gave any effort. The stories that have come out since he left are absolutely insane. It’s no wonder it got so bad so fast. He put zero effort into recruiting kids that wanted to be here.
 

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We are struggling because we have a reputation of not making the tournament. Also, because we let a below average coach hang around for 10 years. Honestly, we need to find a way to increase the salary or the coaches position to make it a competitive job
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Muller had more than 1 ‘good year’. If that’s the measuring stick then Jank didn’t have any good years.

Muller definitely needed to go, but come on.
His record if you remove that one year is 138-143. He lost 15 or more games 7 times. He won 20 or more twice.

Jank won 20 or more 4 of 5 years. He never lost 20 and only lost 15 or more 1 time. Jank was so far better than Muller that it’s not even funny. And before you cry SOS they weren’t that far off per sports-reference.

Muller was a shit coach that gave shit effort. He should only be remembered for his playing days.
 
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That’s fine, that’s your opinion. I guess I’m not sure what you consider a ‘good year’.

I was assuming you meant conference champs. In which case, Jank does not have one of those. Or coach of the year.
 

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That’s fine, that’s your opinion. I guess I’m not sure what you consider a ‘good year’.

I was assuming you meant conference champs. In which case, Jank does not have one of those. Or coach of the year.
I would consider multiple NIT trips more successful than one good Muller year.
 

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I would consider multiple NIT trips more successful than one good Muller year.
Okay, but you’re changing the argument now. You said Muller had 1 good year. I didn’t agree.

Maybe we can agree Jank had more ‘good years’, and Muller had more ‘Very good years’
 

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Cool Dan had 1 good year. You point to how Smithson, Donewald, and Stallings recruited really good players. Muller would’ve never fallen off if he gave any effort. The stories that have come out since he left are absolutely insane. It’s no wonder it got so bad so fast. He put zero effort into recruiting kids that wanted to be here.
Stories . . . do tell . . .
 

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Muller will forever be the worst Redbird coach ever based solely on his handling of Johnny Hill.
 

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His record if you remove that one year is 138-143. He lost 15 or more games 7 times. He won 20 or more twice.

Jank won 20 or more 4 of 5 years. He never lost 20 and only lost 15 or more 1 time. Jank was so far better than Muller that it’s not even funny. And before you cry SOS they weren’t that far off per sports-reference.

Muller was a shit coach that gave shit effort. He should only be remembered for his playing days.
I can definitely be on board with what you were sharing about Offutt. This is where we differ.

1.) Jank played absolutely awful non-con schedules. It’s easy not to lose 20 games in a bad year when you play a schedule littered with cupcakes. He was 12-19 in his worst year. Is there a big difference between 11-20 and 12-19? Not really with Jank’s SOS. That year they had 1 quality non-con game (UNLV) from the MVC-MWC challenge.

2.) Take out his best year (national championship) and Tony Bennett probably gets fired at Virginia for what he has done the last 3 seasons outside the really successful one. Dan deserved to be let go. But to pretend he didn’t win the conference with his own team and that year’s results should be ignored? That’s a pretty bad argument to try and prove your point.

3.) You could easily make the argument that Jank’s first 3 years were taking Porter’s recruiting success with O and Dinma, et al. Jank did not leave the same cabinet of talent that Porter left, especially with Nic Moore leaving.

A side not about recruiting: Dan felt he could bring in athletic talent and teach how to shoot and play fundamentally sound bball. That didn’t happen. It seems after the plane crash, he lost momentum. I’m not sure that quite equates to him being a bad coach. Just one that didn’t fit anymore. His last year, there were moments where he wasn’t sharp. I don’t think that paints someone as 10 years of awful like you are trying to do.
 

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Dan didn’t recruit unless he got a vacation out of it. He didn’t try for Chastain until he made state. He pissed off countless Illinois kids by ignoring them. DB is on the roster and said similar. Never tried for Krutwig. Never tried for Avila. Don’t worry he’d go to Florida for Matt Hein. We lost Dana, we lost Ward, we lost recruiting.

He didn’t get out to high schools. He didn’t get out to open gyms. Pedon did and does. Coaches have tweeted it’s the first time seeing ISU come in. Recruiting was beneath him.
 
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