Valley players entering the portal

[DougSutton]

Get rid of the stigma that women's sports are lesser than and then you can talk about if people want to watch it they will. Until then, that's an unfair argument to them.

Don't disagree. And that's why the NBA should help increase salaries. It's in the NBA's best interest to help the WNBA flourish, to help continue to basketball gain global audiences. Helping them flourish means getting the best players, and that'll require increasing salaries to compete for the best of the foreign players, as well as American . . .

I wouldn't describe it that there is a stigma that women's sports are considered lesser than but I do believe it comes down to what people enjoy to watch. I believe what professional athletes should be paid should be in direct proportion to revenue generated. This year was my first year watching the Women's Final Four and I enjoyed watching it but I personally am more interested in men's basketball because I like the speed, athleticism and verticality of the men's game. Side note, my understanding is the star women from LSU and Iowa are ranking very high in NIL money which is a testament to fan interest in watching them, which is fair and awesome for them.

Maybe it's because I grew up playing basketball that I notice the difference so much but I also enjoy watching soccer and MMA. From my perspective, I enjoy women's soccer and women's MMA just as much as I do men's and throughout my adult life, I have trained MMA and Muay Thai for 25+ years. I don't notice the difference of athleticism near as much and perhaps its because of the lack of verticality in these sports. In a completely different industry. I do know there was some controversy around how much women's soccer players were being paid and the data may have shown some merit.

Just look at this forum and the total threads and messages per sport. This is probably pretty consistent across the country. In the end, athlete pay must come back to a proportion of revenue (and profits) generated.

 

[isuquinndog]

Doug, if you don't think a large amount of people think woman's sports are lesser than men's then I don't know what to tell you besides get out more. Sorry.

 

[DougSutton]

Doug, if you don't think a large amount of people think woman's sports are lesser than men's then I don't know what to tell you besides get out more. Sorry.

I guess it depends on how you use the word lesser. I reflected by looking up the definition and one of the definitions is "lower in terms of rank or quality" and by that definition, I do agree that many do feel that way however I don't think it is fair to make that as a blanket statement for all women's sports. Another meaning of lesser is "someone who is not as good or as moral as someone else" and I don't believe that many people feel that way. So it depends on how you use the word.

I can only share from my own perspective but I am just as likely to watch and enjoy women's MMA, soccer, gymnastics, swimming and tennis as men's. When watching these sports, I don't see a disparity of quality of play of the sport.

As an example, I just pulled these statistics for women's soccer compared to men's

US viewership for the 2019 women's World Cup, at 14.3 million, was 22 percent higher when compared to the men's 2018 final at 11.4 million.
I believe pay must be proportionate to revenues generated and in the case of women's World Cup soccer compared to men's, the women should make slightly higher than the men in this example (not sure how pay is determined for World Cup athletes).

For another example, here are the Top 10 paid tennis players of 2022:

1. Roger Federer: $90 million
2. Naomi Osaka: $56 million
3. Serena Williams: $35 million
4. Rafael Nadal: $31 million
5. Novak Djokovic: $27 million
6. Emma Raducanu: $21 million
7. Daniil Medvedev: $19 million
8. Kei Nishikori: $13 million
9. Venus Williams: $12 million
10. Carlos Alcaraz: $11 million

Another interesting statistic is that women gymnasts earn $4,700 per year more than men on average: source

Back to basketball, yes, the pay is massively less but this is based on viewership and fan interest, just as I'm sure the comparison of pay for women's tennis, soccer and gymnastics is compared to mens is also based on viewership and fan interest.

If Quinn were to sell advertising dollars on Redbirdfan.net for banner ads at the top of each of the individual sports sections, I can guarantee that any advertiser would assign the value of each section based on viewership, therefore the revenue Quinn would generate would be in direct proportion.

 

[BirdFan10]

I don't notice the difference of athleticism near as much and perhaps its because of the lack of verticality in these sports.

I think in combat sports you are already used to weight classes. That already changes the type of match you are watching, but the techniques are still identical.

In basketball, there are different skills. The most popular player in the NBA in the last 5 years has been Steph Curry. His athleticism isn't elite and has nothing to do with verticality. The women's game is picking up many of the same moves and shot types. I think the biggest change happening now is shooting off the dribble has gotten a lot more prevalent. Turasi was one of the few women who would shoot off the dribble consistently. In the past few years, NBA players have taken a few runners and attacks at the basket from women's players. You also see more variety of defenses in the WNBA; they play more zone and switch it up more often. This may change as the shooting is getting better and better. The Chicago Sky were great on defense on their run to the title with blitzing screen and rolls with defensive rotations being spot on.

Many people I know will watch boys high school basketball and enjoy it. It won't even be a great matchup, just a regular conference matchup with little to no verticality or elite athletes. Then trash the WNBA when the quality of basketball is much better. So while your opinion may not be misogynistic, it does have a history of misogyny that comes with it.

 

[DougSutton]

I think in combat sports you are already used to weight classes. That already changes the type of match you are watching, but the techniques are still identical.

In basketball, there are different skills. The most popular player in the NBA in the last 5 years has been Steph Curry. His athleticism isn't elite and has nothing to do with verticality. The women's game is picking up many of the same moves and shot types. I think the biggest change happening now is shooting off the dribble has gotten a lot more prevalent. Turasi was one of the few women who would shoot off the dribble consistently. In the past few years, NBA players have taken a few runners and attacks at the basket from women's players. You also see more variety of defenses in the WNBA; they play more zone and switch it up more often. This may change as the shooting is getting better and better. The Chicago Sky were great on defense on their run to the title with blitzing screen and rolls with defensive rotations being spot on.

Many people I know will watch boys high school basketball and enjoy it. It won't even be a great matchup, just a regular conference matchup with little to no verticality or elite athletes. Then trash the WNBA when the quality of basketball is much better. So while your opinion may not be misogynistic, it does have a history of misogyny that comes with it.

I respectfully disagree and cannot see how my comments have a history of misogyny that come with them. I am not comparing boys high school basketball with the WNBA. The comparison is NBA vs WNBA and I also shared women's tennis, MMA, soccer and gymnastics vs men's.

How can it be that it's misogyny for me to say that I am just as likely and equally enjoy watching men's and women's tennis, MMA, soccer and gymnastics but I don't like the game of women's basketball near as much and do not care to watch it?

You may like watching women's basketball just as much or more than men's and if so, awesome for you! I personally see a massive difference in the speed of the game, athleticism, physicality and verticality and perhaps that's why I like men's basketball that much more. Regardless of the reason, it's completely unfair to suggest that it has any history of misogyny to it.

Regarding pay, with a capitalistic structure as with all other industries, pay should be in direct proportion to revenue generated. If you want to talk about women's pay in the workforce, I 100% believe women should make just as much as men and would go out of my way to take a stand for women in this way. I'm a firm believer and ally in women's rights. But I do not believer WNBA players should be paid more just because NBA players make more. Nor do I believe fans like myself should be the target of projections, shame or blame because we don't choose to watch the sport.

 

[BirdFan10]

I respectfully disagree and cannot see how my comments have a history of misogyny that come with them. I am not comparing boys high school basketball with the WNBA. The comparison is NBA vs WNBA and I also shared women's tennis, MMA, soccer and gymnastics vs men's.

How can it be that it's misogyny for me to say that I am just as likely and equally enjoy watching men's and women's tennis, MMA, soccer and gymnastics but I don't like the game of women's basketball near as much and do not care to watch it?

You may like watching women's basketball just as much or more than men's and if so, awesome for you! I personally see a massive difference in the speed of the game, athleticism, physicality and verticality and perhaps that's why I like men's basketball that much more. Regardless of the reason, it's completely unfair to suggest that it has any history of misogyny to it.

Regarding pay, with a capitalistic structure as with all other industries, pay should be in direct proportion to revenue generated. If you want to talk about women's pay in the workforce, I 100% believe women should make just as much as men and would go out of my way to take a stand for women in this way. I'm a firm believer and ally in women's rights. But I do not believer WNBA players should be paid more just because NBA players make more. Nor do I believe fans like myself should be the target of projections, shame or blame because we don't choose to watch the sport.

I did not mean you have history of misogyny. That was never my intention, I apologize for not being clear.

It's that the opinion that the wnba is boring or not entertaining has a history of misogyny. So while your opinion can have merit to why you don't enjoy it others who have made similar arguments did it with misogynistic statements.

 

[RedbirdSoxFan]

Jayden Johnson enters Transfer Portal.

 

[redbirds2000]

Jayden Johnson enters Transfer Portal.

Does that open a scholarship??

 

[Dmills]

Does that open a scholarship??

No

 

[Adunk33]

Randy reported yesterday that they have 4 to fill, which may mean Sissoko is coming back.

Randy also reported today that Malcolm Miller has informed Pedon he is not returning.

 

[cubird]

Coach P mentioned he may not fill all 4. Need a better ball handler, wing to replace Knight, and a big.

 

[Adunk33]

Coach P mentioned he may not fill all 4. Need a better ball handler, wing to replace Knight, and a big.

I totally get not bringing in someone just to fill a spot. It's gotta be the right fit and everything. But I'd also hope he's doing everything he can to fill all 4. Depth was clearly a major issue last year. Only having a max rotation of 7 but then went down to 6 with the injury/illness bug being handed around. The roster right now looks like:

G: Mal, DB, Luke, JK, Pence, Stadleman
F: Walker, Lewis, Sissoko, Schmitt

If he doesn't fill all four it confirms that the freshmen will be like Plee's freshman year when they played @ VCU- baptism by fire.

All the scholarship guys that have left have been 6'10+. The team needs size for sure. So- fill all four. 2 6'8+ bigs, a pg, and a wing.

 

[Redbird222]

I totally get not bringing in someone just to fill a spot. It's gotta be the right fit and everything. But I'd also hope he's doing everything he can to fill all 4. Depth was clearly a major issue last year. Only having a max rotation of 7 but then went down to 6 with the injury/illness bug being handed around. The roster right now looks like:

G: Mal, DB, Luke, JK, Pence, Stadleman
F: Walker, Lewis, Sissoko, Schmitt

If he doesn't fill all four it confirms that the freshmen will be like Plee's freshman year when they played @ VCU- baptism by fire.

All the scholarship guys that have left have been 6'10+. The team needs size for sure. So- fill all four. 2 6'8+ bigs, a pg, and a wing.

I didn't understand why we left the 13th scholarship vacant last year and personally I felt it was a short sighted decision. I feel we may be heading down the same path based on that article. I know it was common to previously have at least one player redshirt whether transfer, medical, or development and therefore only have 12 scholarship players available to play. Bowever, we were so short on guards last year and it was exposed when Colton got hurt.
Until we know we have proven depth I would have more horses in the race.

 

[redbirds2000]

I didn't understand why we didn't left the 13th scholarship vacant last year and personally I felt it was a short sighted decision. I feel we may be heading down the same path based on that article. I know it was common to previously have at least one player redshirt whether transfer, medical, or development and therefore only have 12 scholarship players available to play. Bowever, we were so short on guards last year and it was exposed when Colton got hurt.
Until we know we have proven depth I would have more horses in the race.

Yep. Fill it with a grad transfer that is one and done.

 

[SgtHulka]

I didn't understand why we left the 13th scholarship vacant last year and personally I felt it was a short sighted decision. I feel we may be heading down the same path based on that article. I know it was common to previously have at least one player redshirt whether transfer, medical, or development and therefore only have 12 scholarship players available to play. Bowever, we were so short on guards last year and it was exposed when Colton got hurt.
Until we know we have proven depth I would have more horses in the race.

And losing two walkons who consumed more floor time than the bigs we lost is another shot to our depth.

 

[Pistol1957]

And losing two walkons who consumed more floor time than the bigs we lost is another shot to our depth.

 

[Pistol1957]

Will Shaver transferring from UNC to Belmont

 

[Adunk33]

Petrakis to WIU. The Colton Sandage trade is now complete.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

jordan davis to ISU?