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This was my head scratcher where I was wondering what Nielsen was doing. I agree with punting on 4th n 15 probably aren't going to pick up a 1st down with that yardage. We got the ball back with 2:06 left and USD having 2 timeouts left, I said why are they not calling a timeout now? It seemed like Nielsen let extra time run off the clock. It didn't matter as we picked up the 1st down anyway I just wasn't sure why not use the timeouts after 1st and 2nd down.
It was hard to understand. According to the box score, we got the ball with 2:06 left in the game, and ran two plays, they called a timeout with 1:14 left. Annexstad did his 3rd down run, and then took a knee, and they called their second TO with 31 seconds left. That doesn't get you anywhere.

Plus which, the punt was from our 45 and went into the end zone, so a 25 yard punt and we're not stuck deep in our territory. Maybe that's why he didn't use the TO right away?
 

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On South Dakota's last offensive possession there was a flag for pass interference that was waved off. Coach Spack claimed the pass was uncatchable. After watching the replay several times and pausing the picture that doesn't hold up. The pass was catchable if not for the interference. The referees discussed the play but it was not reviewed.
 
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First 4 games - Annexstad sacked 11 times for 67 yards lost
Avg. 6.09 yards lost per sack | Avg. 2.75 sacks per game | Avg. 16.75 yards lost per game

Last 2 games - Annexstad sacked 3 times for 9 yards lost (all versus South Dakota)
Avg. 3 yards lost per sack | Avg. 1.5 sacks per game | Avg. 4.5 yards lost per game
 

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First 4 games - Annexstad sacked 11 times for 67 yards lost
Avg. 6.09 yards lost per sack | Avg. 2.75 sacks per game | Avg. 16.75 yards lost per game

Last 2 games - Annexstad sacked 3 times for 9 yards lost (all versus South Dakota)
Avg. 3 yards lost per sack | Avg. 1.5 sacks per game | Avg. 4.5 yards lost per game
Plus 5 picks first 4 games, last 2 zero.
 

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In the 2nd Q Saturday USD QB Carson Camp was replaced by Aidan Bouman. Bouman is a RS-Fr. transfer from Iowa St. The Coyotes were trailing SIU 21-7 when the change was made and they came back to win 27-24. I think it is safe to say that Bouman is the new starter. Since Bouman is a Fr. and Camp is a So., I wonder if Camp will be in the transfer portal at the end of the season? Zack Annexstad would be a 6th yr. Senior at Illinois State should he decide to return for 2023. If Camp does transfer it would be interesting to see if a return to Normal is a consideration.
 

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In the 2nd Q Saturday USD QB Carson Camp was replaced by Aidan Bouman. Bouman is a RS-Fr. transfer from Iowa St. The Coyotes were trailing SIU 21-7 when the change was made and they came back to win 27-24. I think it is safe to say that Bouman is the new starter. Since Bouman is a Fr. and Camp is a So., I wonder if Camp will be in the transfer portal at the end of the season? Zack Annexstad would be a 6th yr. Senior at Illinois State should he decide to return for 2023. If Camp does transfer it would be interesting to see if a return to Normal is a consideration.
FWIW, Bouman's father Todd was a solid DII player at St Cloud State and then had about a 10 year career in the NFL, primarily as a backup, altho he did get a few starts here and there.
 

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In the 2nd Q Saturday USD QB Carson Camp was replaced by Aidan Bouman. Bouman is a RS-Fr. transfer from Iowa St. The Coyotes were trailing SIU 21-7 when the change was made and they came back to win 27-24. I think it is safe to say that Bouman is the new starter. Since Bouman is a Fr. and Camp is a So., I wonder if Camp will be in the transfer portal at the end of the season? Zack Annexstad would be a 6th yr. Senior at Illinois State should he decide to return for 2023. If Camp does transfer it would be interesting to see if a return to Normal is a consideration.
You never know but we have to wait and see how Bouman does if he is the new starter. I am relatively certain that SIU planned for Camp all week and when a new QB comes into a game sometimes that ends up with a great game for the QB. Now that he has been out there on the field opposing teams can better prepare for him. May or may not be a difference but Camp may be back as the starter or second team behind a Freshman. If Camp ends up second team I would expect he would be looking at the portal.
 

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You never know but we have to wait and see how Bouman does if he is the new starter. I am relatively certain that SIU planned for Camp all week and when a new QB comes into a game sometimes that ends up with a great game for the QB. Now that he has been out there on the field opposing teams can better prepare for him. May or may not be a difference but Camp may be back as the starter or second team behind a Freshman. If Camp ends up second team I would expect he would be looking at the portal.
Good call Virginia - I read the South Dakota newspaper story about the game, and the USD coach said Bouman passed on some of the run-pass option plays that Camp likely would have run on, which probably was what SIU planned for. Caught them off guard.

Did we recruit Camp? Was he a kid that just wanted to get away from home for school?
 

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Good call Virginia - I read the South Dakota newspaper story about the game, and the USD coach said Bouman passed on some of the run-pass option plays that Camp likely would have run on, which probably was what SIU planned for. Caught them off guard.

Did we recruit Camp? Was he a kid that just wanted to get away from home for school?
Camp is supposed to be the more mobile of the two QBs but he has lost his ability to avoid the rush. In the last 3 games (SDSU, Ill St. and SIU), Camp shows 19 carries for -39 yards and 10 sacks. Those 10 sacks came on just 34 pass attempts. Against SIU Camp was sacked twice on 6 pass attempts. Bouman took over and he was sacked just once in 17 pass attempts.

I've heard Coach Spack talk about Camp and it sounds as though he was lightly recruited but he was looking for a school where he could play right away and we had Brady Davis at that time. Camp saw the opportunity at USD and he took it. For a while it looked like a great choice. Now he has to fight to get his job back.
 

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In the 2nd Q Saturday USD QB Carson Camp was replaced by Aidan Bouman. Bouman is a RS-Fr. transfer from Iowa St. The Coyotes were trailing SIU 21-7 when the change was made and they came back to win 27-24. I think it is safe to say that Bouman is the new starter. Since Bouman is a Fr. and Camp is a So., I wonder if Camp will be in the transfer portal at the end of the season? Zack Annexstad would be a 6th yr. Senior at Illinois State should he decide to return for 2023. If Camp does transfer it would be interesting to see if a return to Normal is a consideration.
Not sure ISU would want a 2nd string QB from USD? The P5 former starter seems to be our ticket.
 

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Not sure ISU would want a 2nd string QB from USD? The P5 former starter seems to be our ticket.
Zack is our QB. I'm not suggesting anything different. I'm guessing he will be back for a 6th year, but even if he does return we know that will be his final season. Camp will have 3 years of eligibility after this season. Camp's stock has risen and fallen. He was lightly recruited out of HS. I think Coach Spack and a lot of other college coaches were kicking themselves when Camp got off to a hot start as a true freshman in the spring of '21. Now he's struggling and his stock is back down. If he looks to transfer would we want to pass on him again? If he comes back as a Leatherneck and beats us again then he's fooled us twice and shame on us. Remember, Coach Spack is not going to promise any transfer the starting job. So the question to ask yourself is not if Camp will be the starter, but whether or not the QB position will be stronger with Camp added?
 
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Good call Virginia - I read the South Dakota newspaper story about the game, and the USD coach said Bouman passed on some of the run-pass option plays that Camp likely would have run on, which probably was what SIU planned for. Caught them off guard.

Did we recruit Camp? Was he a kid that just wanted to get away from home for school?
Yes, ISU recruited Carson - there was a picture of Carson in a Redbird uniform on Facebook when we offered him a scholarship. I know him from Normal West - his parents were ISU season ticket holders - about 4 rows in front of me.

Interesting enough - Playing Carson Camp at QB at Normal West is what got the Head Coach and coaching staff at West fired. The parents of another kid, who they thought should have been playing instead of Camp - convinced the School Board to fire the Coach. I even spoke at the Board meeting pointing what an F'ing Travestry that was - got a standing ovation from the crowd and a hug from Mrs. Camp. The other kid, was not near the football player/QB and did not even go out for football the next year.
 

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Zack is our QB. I'm not suggesting anything different. I'm guessing he will be back for a 6th year, but even if he does return we know that will be his final season. Camp will have 3 years of eligibility after this season. Camp's stock has risen and fallen. He was lightly recruited out of HS. I think Coach Spack and a lot of other college coaches were kicking themselves when Camp got off to a hot start as a true freshman in the spring of '21. Now he's struggling and his stock is back down. If he looks to transfer would we want to pass on him again? If he comes back as a Leatherneck and beats us again then he's fooled us twice and shame on us. Remember, Coach Spack is not going to promise any transfer the starting job. So the question to ask yourself is not if Camp will be the starter, but whether or not the QB position will be stronger with Camp added?
I think we should continue to get our transfer QBs from P5 programs. I would assume if he enters the portal, it won't be to a program where he's the back up.
 

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Camp is supposed to be the more mobile of the two QBs but he has lost his ability to avoid the rush. In the last 3 games (SDSU, Ill St. and SIU), Camp shows 19 carries for -39 yards and 10 sacks. Those 10 sacks came on just 34 pass attempts. Against SIU Camp was sacked twice on 6 pass attempts. Bouman took over and he was sacked just once in 17 pass attempts.

I've heard Coach Spack talk about Camp and it sounds as though he was lightly recruited but he was looking for a school where he could play right away and we had Brady Davis at that time. Camp saw the opportunity at USD and he took it. For a while it looked like a great choice. Now he has to fight to get his job back.
maybe his mobility was not meant to be at this level. You have to be able to get rid of the ball and take the hits, and when you run, slide all the time. It may have taken a physical and mental toll on him. Sort of like how most of the best dual threat QBs fail at NFL level. He got off to a nice start, but fizzled. Eventually the pocket feels tighter and tighter, if youre not up to it. He's probably shell shocked - just have to hope it isn't concussion/cognitive related.

This is where Annexstad excels, and why he is better than 2016 Kolbe .. he seems very comfortable dealing with the pocket and making throws. We even saw that against Wisconsin before the game slipped away 2nd half and without Mueller as an option.
 

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Yes, ISU recruited Carson - there was a picture of Carson in a Redbird uniform on Facebook when we offered him a scholarship. I know him from Normal West - his parents were ISU season ticket holders - about 4 rows in front of me.

Interesting enough - Playing Carson Camp at QB at Normal West is what got the Head Coach and coaching staff at West fired. The parents of another kid, who they thought should have been playing instead of Camp - convinced the School Board to fire the Coach. I even spoke at the Board meeting pointing what an F'ing Travestry that was - got a standing ovation from the crowd and a hug from Mrs. Camp. The other kid, was not near the football player/QB and did not even go out for football the next year.
It was partially that, and partially that the old coach recruited the other kid from U-High, right? I may be mixing stories.
 
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