That's pretty cool stuff. Now I know how you guys know so much. Let's get Joe Milton from Michigan...
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That's pretty cool stuff. Now I know how you guys know so much. Let's get Joe Milton from Michigan...
ISU need size on the outside at WR and you will be surprised what a kid 6'5" running post, digs and crossing routes in middle of the field and having the ability to when jump balls will do for an offense. It seems people do not think Micah Jones can help. The QB does not have a go to guy like other teams. A threat out wide opens up the running run. Having a Big TE, Big Outside WR, a couple 6'2"-3" WR on opposite side, with solid slots will make the play action work. At this level know one gets crazy separation .... it happens through length and route combinations. The QB is NOT the problem, I do not see big holes at the line scrimmage either. People are stacking the box and making ISU beat them throwing. It is that sample.
I think most of us are very excited about his potential but we're also taking a wait and see approach. Personally I've seen a lot of high profile FBS transfers suit up for the Redbirds. Some turn out to be as good as advertised and many others do not. It's very hard to predict.
You seem to know a lot about Jones so let me ask you the million dollar question. Zero catches at ND - why is that?
TIMMY
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I think programs change schemes, coaches, etc, that impact players. Why do you have a ton WR is portal ... can they all not play?
First of all Kelly does not play young WR's. Boykins (4th rd draft) developed in 4th yr, McKinley, last year 5 yr WR, Claypool (2 rd draft) 3/4 year, 5 star WR from last yr (Jordan Johnson did not see field.) Take a look at the ND 2018 Class. Kelly brought in 5 WR's in 2018 including Jones ( 4 stars & high 3 Star). All 5 have a total of 25 catches. Either you wait your turn or leave. Plus ND typically throw to #1 /#2 Wr & TE's. Not saying Jones will be the next NFL guy, Buy if you have a couple big WR's see what difference it makes. NI had a couple big WR's that stretch the field and ran deep crossing routes. It opened up the play action enough to cause problems. ISU does not have that type of WR on roster if so they are not playing them. Football is simple, if you have threats in the pass game ... things are a little easier on the offense & QB. Stay tuned.
I will stay tuned. Thanks for your response.
Let’s see if he is a threat ! Lol Eric Rogers was to be a threat they don’t use him lol kid looks the same as Eric r. ISU personnel schemes leaves everyone with ? Mark’s ! Big body’s don’t mean kid can get of the line and get separation fo DBs ? If they can go up over small Db’s great if they are not fast but in reality teams got to have both... um we need tyreke hill type kid and a megatron then we can blame OC or QB ! Right now it’s the OC’s scheme for the personnel u put on the field for their strengths.. IF they can;t run 35 yards and get open don’t throw deep balls go short route use the big body’s and speedy slots !
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crazzymark
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I agree, I thought Rogers would be an impact player already at this point except for whole bunch of short receivers under 5 foot 8. Anyway the last recruit transfer we got from Notre Dame never played a game at linebacker so I'm not sure what this guy will receivers going to do
It's true that former Notre Dame LB'er Josh Barajas was ranked even higher than Micah Jones coming out of high school but Barajas had a foot injury and he was never really healthy at Illinois State.
Virginia Redbird
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Eastern had Tony Romo, Jimmy Garappolo, Mike Shanahan, and Sean Payton at QB over the years ... ISU had Kevin Glenn and Tre who converted to DB in the pros. The history of the program matters I think. If you are a LB, DL, or DB playing for ISU has a good amount of pedigree. If you are a RB the same. If you are a talented QB ... is this the program you want to go to? Frankly, I think the answer is no. I wish it was yes.
next transfer up
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unfortunately all too true .. which is why Spack needs to address his achilles heal.
We would be top 5 level most years, if we had more consistent pass game and better QBs. Spack has figured every other phase out. It's time for him to open his mind .. turn this into a place up and comer OC's want to spend 2-3 years, and can help attract and develop quality HS QBs, or the occasional transfer when needed.
No more co-OCs. No more RB and OL coaches turned OC. Beathard had good pedigree for finding the right run/pass balance. We need more guys like that, but not ones that are afraid to let their QB win games with their arm. Then the QBs with arms will find their way here. This program is so consistently strong everywhere else.
Find that OC and don't cut his legs out from under him. But if you tell him, do what you can, just don't let the QB lose any games ... it will fail. It is a mind set.
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True but Romo and Garappolo won't be able to help Katrenick. If I were a transfer QB I would want a school with WR's to throw to and linemen to block for me. That's the help you need.
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It is a culture thing not so much former QBs helping the new guy. Obviously if Romo or Garappolo were there to "help", Katrenick would not be going to Eastern because he would not be playing at all. Romo or Garappolo would be on the field. You can have great WR's and a solid OL but if the coaching philosophy is 3 yards and a cloud of astroturf and handcuffs on your QB because you don't want the offense to lose the game for the defense, well I don't see that attracting top QB talent. I recall an interview with Jim McMahon while he was still the Bears QB when he commented that he chose BYU because of their offensive philosophy of wide open football and throwing the ball. McMahon obviously did not pick BYU for its philosophy and student conduct rules. QB's with top level talent want to throw the ball. They have to be leaders and football smart but they do not want to just hand the ball off all game long. Spack's football philosophy certainly appears to be play tough defense, run the ball to control the clock and keep the other team off the field and only pass when you have to. If I were a hot shot HS QB or a transfer I would look at a Defensive minded Head Coach, two O-Coordinators whose very limited coaching background is with running backs and O-Line (also playing experience is mainly running back and offensive line) and a QB Coach who does not even have a bio on the school website. Look at all that and I am taking my passing arm elsewhere unless I have no other viable options.
I keep hearing references to a philosophy or a culture where we just want to run the ball and play defense. That's nonsense. That isn't something the coaching staff has a desire to do. It's something the coaching staff has had to do at times based on personnel. Matt Brown threw for over 10,500 yards under Spack. Fans remember Tre Roberson and the great option running attack we had. Go back and look at Roberson's stats for the great '14-'15 season. Roberson had 3,221 yards passing and 1,029 rushing. This year they wanted to open up the offense. Jefferson passed 33 times for 280 yards against South Dakota in the opener but he threw four int's and we lost.
The 3 yards and a cloud astroturf evolved last season. We had a NFL RB and a strong defense. If we control the ball we were hard to beat. After QB Davis got hurt we had to double down on that philosophy but it was purely a matter of personnel.
If we can put a great passer under center we will throw the ball. I have no doubts about that.
The 3 yards and a cloud astroturf evolved last season. We had a NFL RB and a strong defense. If we control the ball we were hard to beat. After QB Davis got hurt we had to double down on that philosophy but it was purely a matter of personnel.
If we can put a great passer under center we will throw the ball. I have no doubts about that.
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Yes, and don't forget Kolbe - threw for 2700+ yards and 22 TD's in 2016 and 2100+ yards and 12 TD's in 2017. Davis never passed for more than 2000 yards, had the 2 lowest years in the last 10 other than Blake Winkler in 2013.
Point being, we've been reasonably "wide open" in the Spack era, other than the last two and this short one.
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Probably a better term is perception but I still think the culture thing applies. I would be willing to bet that a large percentage of High School recruits are not very familiar with Matt Brown, Mike Glennon, Jake Kolbe or Tre Roberson. I also would bet quite a few of them have heard of Tony Romo, Jimmy Garappolo, Sean Peyton and Mike Shannahan (or his kids). Name recognition is powerful. Some of that cited passing success was under Beathard (Offensive Coordinator 2014-2015 and 2018-2020. In 2014 Beathard's offense set 15 single season school records. According to Goredbirds.com, Beathard had over 15 years experience as an FCS offensive coordinator. Compare that with both sets of Co-Offensive Coordinators. Just not as impressive and the offensive coordinator at ISU should be a desirable position for coaches on the FCS level. MVFC and a decade of good success. What does a recruit or transfer see when they are being recruited. In my business we have a saying, "their perception is your reality." Perception or culture, I still maintain it is a problem. Not all recruits are longtime Redbird fans. Those 2014-2015 seasons were a long time ago. Ancient history to current players.
Didn't Kevin Glenn shatter a number of CFL passing records? I doubt that he did so as a DB.
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I was hoping Brock would consider one of two Illinois WR transfers (Sidney - 1 yr or Smalling - 2 yrs)
The kid from ND is going to be a great addition
The kid from ND is going to be a great addition