Poll: Keeping Muller

[Redbird222]

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[Redbird222]

I thought Porter had a losing record in all three years, but in his ‘04-‘05 debut we were 17-13, despite a season-ending nosedive (seven straight Valley losses).

Moser coached 4 years and three were losing seasons

2003-04 10-19 10th in MVC
2004-05. 17 - 13 6th in MVC
2005-06. 9 - 19 9th in MVC
2006-07. 15 - 16. 7th in MVC

 

[Racine Bird 3813]

As I type this were down 27 to MSU. Maybe we’ll make a bigger comeback than we did against Bradley.
I remember when Creighton was the king of this league under Dana Altman. Eventually they left for the Big East. I also remember when Wichita St was always on top under the biggest jerk in the coaching realm, Gregg Marshall, They‘re gone now. Our former coach, Porter, took Loyola to the final 4. They’ve been on top and are getting ready to leave. So three top contenders over the last 20 years have left or will be leaving.

No. Iowa, SIU, Drake, and Bradley have made the Sweet 16. That leave Miss St, Indy St, Evansville, and us. Three of those teams have made the tournament at least once in the last 20 years.

Dan has had 10 years. He’s had plenty of time to build his program his way, often with roster turnover and questionable basketball IQ. He’s won one Conference title and has not made the tournament. Meanwhile every single thread talks about Dan and his job stability. I’m embarrassed that the goal for some of us is simply to avoid Thursday night. I remember when 7-8K was the norm at RBA and it’s sad to see 4K the norm now. It’s should be cut and dry, make the tournament, or he‘s done. And I don’t want to hear about the AD not wanting to pay the buyout. I’m sure the ISU Athletic Dept can find $ when they want to.

 

[Bird Friend]

Quinn, did you really have to ask?

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

If anyone think Dan retains his entire roster they have been drinking too much. Why would Antonio reeves return? He’s made it clear he wants to go to the NBA. He will be evaluated after the season and be told a) he’s ready or b) not ready - but would improve from playing at a higher lever (power 5 or G league). There’s little to no value in him returning to Normal. He can gain nothing.

Dan is likely safe due the university’s lack of funds and low levels of expectations. Sad but true.

 

[gobirds85]

He’s at 52% in his tenure here. Time to go. We’ve seen enough.

Put structured deal together and negotiate a payment over time. Do what it takes as we can no longer afford to keep him as our hc. He’s just not head coaching material.

 

[gobirds85]

Oh yea, I forgot...thank you, Larry Lyons.

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

He’s at 52% in his tenure here. Time to go. We’ve seen enough.

Put structured deal together and negotiate a payment over time. Do what it takes as we can no longer afford to keep him as our hc. He’s just not head coaching material.

I agree, however the new AD is likely too focused on his shoes and building an inflatable balloon on campus to pull the trigger. He will also likely be fooled by Dans very very weak non conference schedule which produced enough wins to keep him in contention to finish around .500. Anyone checked on Jackson state lately?

 

[gobirds85]

As I type this were down 27 to MSU. Maybe we’ll make a bigger comeback than we did against Bradley.
I remember when Creighton was the king of this league under Dana Altman. Eventually they left for the Big East. I also remember when Wichita St was always on top under the biggest jerk in the coaching realm, Gregg Marshall, They‘re gone now. Our former coach, Porter, took Loyola to the final 4. They’ve been on top and are getting ready to leave. So three top contenders over the last 20 years have left or will be leaving.

No. Iowa, SIU, Drake, and Bradley have made the Sweet 16. That leave Miss St, Indy St, Evansville, and us. Three of those teams have made the tournament at least once in the last 20 years.

Dan has had 10 years. He’s had plenty of time to build his program his way, often with roster turnover and questionable basketball IQ. He’s won one Conference title and has not made the tournament. Meanwhile every single thread talks about Dan and his job stability. I’m embarrassed that the goal for some of us is simply to avoid Thursday night. I remember when 7-8K was the norm at RBA and it’s sad to see 4K the norm now. It’s should be cut and dry, make the tournament, or he‘s done. And I don’t want to hear about the AD not wanting to pay the buyout. I’m sure the ISU Athletic Dept can find $ when they want to.

If the will is there, they can find the funding. My concern is that there may not be the will to make the move.

 

[gobirds85]

Maybe we can sweep Eville. Maybe...

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

Maybe we can sweep Eville. Maybe...

We will throw the RBF.net parade through normal when we do. Then drake will come to town and pound Dan into the ground.

 

[TBS_20]

That sounded an awful lot like a nail in the coffin.

 

[Jeppson4ever]

This thread saddens me as it shows just how far standards have fallen. 40 percent safe already. My question is are people answering what would they do if these certain benchmarks are met? Or, are they responding based on what they think ISU would do?

If it is the latter, I guess I can where you are coming from as I could easily see this team at 10-8/9-9 and getting a 4/5 seed in a down Valley. Whoopdeedoo.

The problem is Brennan and a lot of others at this school have an incentive to try to keep him. It is all about self-preservation. If he doesn’t have to make a move this year, then he gets to push his own clock back another before he hires his guy. His guy would be then guaranteed 4 years. So, in theory, if he doesn’t make any other mistakes, Brennan could be granted a 6 yr tenure regardless of whether he does anything to advance the athletic department’s most important program.

The media outcry towards Isublue’s handling of Lansing may come In handy if they do finish middle of pack, even though Lansing has a better resume at a tougher job. ”See….they got blowback for moving on. We are going to keep our 5th place coach because he returns a lot so that means we are in line for 3rd next year”

Unfortunately, things don’t usually work out like that. Next year could be the breakthrough but we have thought that about so many years. It is a bit of a crapshoot.

 

[Birdfriend72]

This thread saddens me as it shows just how far standards have fallen. 40 percent safe already. My question is are people answering what would they do if these certain benchmarks are met? Or, are they responding based on what they think ISU would do?

If it is the latter, I guess I can where you are coming from as I could easily see this team at 10-8/9-9 and getting a 4/5 seed in a down Valley. Whoopdeedoo.

The problem is Brennan and a lot of others at this school have an incentive to try to keep him. It is all about self-preservation. If he doesn’t have to make a move this year, then he gets to push his own clock back another before he hires his guy. His guy would be then guaranteed 4 years. So, in theory, if he doesn’t make any other mistakes, Brennan could be granted a 6 yr tenure regardless of whether he does anything to advance the athletic department’s most important program.

The media outcry towards Isublue’s handling of Lansing may come In handy if they do finish middle of pack, even though Lansing has a better resume at a tougher job. ”See….they got blowback for moving on. We are going to keep our 5th place coach because he returns a lot so that means we are in line for 3rd next year”

Unfortunately, things don’t usually work out like that. Next year could be the breakthrough but we have thought that about so many years. It is a bit of a crapshoot.

Next year could be the injury excuse, or the team is young. When you aren’t doing your job there is always an excuse. I read Muller said in the Pantagraph the kids weren’t happy with last night officating. Do you think Mosley was happy to sit the first half? You find a way to fight through it. Sometimes you just aren’t the best team and you lose. That’s on the coach.

 

[TBS_20]

i think most are saying ISU will say hes safe. There is only like 5% of the board that actually wants to keep him

 

[Redbirds18]

As I type this were down 27 to MSU. Maybe we’ll make a bigger comeback than we did against Bradley.
I remember when Creighton was the king of this league under Dana Altman. Eventually they left for the Big East. I also remember when Wichita St was always on top under the biggest jerk in the coaching realm, Gregg Marshall, They‘re gone now. Our former coach, Porter, took Loyola to the final 4. They’ve been on top and are getting ready to leave. So three top contenders over the last 20 years have left or will be leaving.

No. Iowa, SIU, Drake, and Bradley have made the Sweet 16. That leave Miss St, Indy St, Evansville, and us. Three of those teams have made the tournament at least once in the last 20 years.

Dan has had 10 years. He’s had plenty of time to build his program his way, often with roster turnover and questionable basketball IQ. He’s won one Conference title and has not made the tournament. Meanwhile every single thread talks about Dan and his job stability. I’m embarrassed that the goal for some of us is simply to avoid Thursday night. I remember when 7-8K was the norm at RBA and it’s sad to see 4K the norm now. It’s should be cut and dry, make the tournament, or he‘s done. And I don’t want to hear about the AD not wanting to pay the buyout. I’m sure the ISU Athletic Dept can find $ when they want to.

EXACTLY what I have been thinking and wanting to formulate a way to say. Especially the bolded parts. Very well put.

 

[DaveBird10]

. I remember when 7-8K was the norm at RBA and it’s sad to see 4K the norm now. It’s should be cut and dry, make the tournament, or he‘s done. And I don’t want to hear about the AD not wanting to pay the buyout. I’m sure the ISU Athletic Dept can find $ when they want to.

Brennan is going to do what Brennan feels is best for ISU and the athletic department crying and complaining about a coach being here or not isn't going to change the outcome or the future. The future is, what the future is.

I miss the days when Redbird Arena was full but people wishing for that need to see if when ISU makes the NCAA tournament its not going to just rush people back. That's not going to happen, large crowds for college basketball at the MVC level is a thing of the past.

MOST- had 3,362 fans last night
Drake- who is coming off an NCAA tournament btw had 2,700 vs us last week and 2,724 last night.
Loyola - who's ranked now there last 2 home games have been 3,092 vs Bradley and 2,193 vs Valpo.

Large crowds are a thing of the past and these teams are the teams who have been winning in the conference. TV, streaming, covid, kids not caring are all factors why crowds will never be as big as the once were. If our conference teams who are winning and have gone to the NCAA tournament aren't drawing big then we probably aren't going to either.

 

[Adunk33]

i think most are saying ISU will say hes safe. There is only like 5% of the board that actually wants to keep him

Can I get the under on the % of folks on the board that actually, truly want to keep him? I agree. People are saying he's safe because they understand the situation holistically. All we can do until the contract runs out is hope for the best for the guys at ISU because the reality is, nothing is going to change for another season or two. It's beyond any fans control, unless any of the deep pocket folks on here want to go to their piggy bank and pony up the 1.5 mil.

Hopefully a sweep of UE happens and lifts up the team to make a little run. It's The Valley. Anything can happen. Hell, Bradley beat Drake by double digits at Drake and UNI lost to Valpo (without AJ Green, but still).

 

[Birdfriend72]

Can I get the under on the % of folks on the board that actually, truly want to keep him? I agree. People are saying he's safe because they understand the situation holistically. All we can do until the contract runs out is hope for the best for the guys at ISU because the reality is, nothing is going to change for another season or two. It's beyond any fans control, unless any of the deep pocket folks on here want to go to their piggy bank and pony up the 1.5 mil.

Hopefully a sweep of UE happens and lifts up the team to make a little run. It's The Valley. Anything can happen. Hell, Bradley beat Drake by double digits at Drake and UNI lost to Valpo (without AJ Green, but still).

Explain why we can invest 13 million dollars in a football bubble, but we can't invest in buying out a bad contract? Basketball is truly the only sport at ISU that CURRENTLY can make money. We just can't afford to keep buying out a coach and making the same mistake. That means the next coach needs to make the dance and have some stability before he is given such a huge contract extension.

 

[isuquinndog]

Explain why we can invest 13 million dollars in a football bubble, but we can't invest in buying out a bad contract? Basketball is truly the only sport at ISU that CURRENTLY can make money. We just can't afford to keep buying out a coach and making the same mistake. That means the next coach needs to make the dance and have some stability before he is given such a huge contract extension.

Donations? ISU isn't giving any money to the IPF unless 70% of the money is raised through donations. They are talking about selling naming rights to Redbird/Hancock to get enough money.