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fourthandshort

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Now that the controlled scrimmages, practices, and evaluation of players (my terms for all of pre-season football) who will not be there on opening day is over ... we will see what the 2022 Bears look like against opponents when it counts. I hope the ISU representatives make the team and have an impact. The Bears? I expect them to be bad to pitiful once the real games begin. I hope I am wrong...but I doubt it.
I dont know for sure either way. Like most, I started as a Nagy fan .. he turned team around quick. But then seems like league figured him out quick, and his handling of Trubisky and offense was just all over the place. But he seemed to let his intellect/smarts close his mind to what was and wasn't working and why. I don't know x's and o's like some here ... but he had success as OC in KC, but being on charge is a whole other level of responsibility .. and he failed miserably, didn't know how or when to adjust .. and finally to my point .. he was very "smart", but the genius mad scientist was ineffective and lost the club house.

New HC seems to be more of no nonsense, stick to the formula, but listen to others as to what works and doesn't work. This alone could turn things around if Field starts to find his dual threat zone, he could be a Russell Wilson type QB. Interesting note, Fields was like #1 in QBR outside the pocket a year ago, but Bears were in lower third of league in designed rollout plays ... like Nagy was trying to outsmart other teams and not to do what defenses expected maybe .. I dunno ??? That climate had to become so stifling to be around .. thinking and acting smarter than everyone else ... but not being smarter.

I can easily see 8-8 level season just based on this alone, better if OL is solid, and things come together.
 

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I dont know for sure either way. Like most, I started as a Nagy fan .. he turned team around quick. But then seems like league figured him out quick, and his handling of Trubisky and offense was just all over the place. But he seemed to let his intellect/smarts close his mind to what was and wasn't working and why. I don't know x's and o's like some here ... but he had success as OC in KC, but being on charge is a whole other level of responsibility .. and he failed miserably, didn't know how or when to adjust .. and finally to my point .. he was very "smart", but the genius mad scientist was ineffective and lost the club house.

New HC seems to be more of no nonsense, stick to the formula, but listen to others as to what works and doesn't work. This alone could turn things around if Field starts to find his dual threat zone, he could be a Russell Wilson type QB. Interesting note, Fields was like #1 in QBR outside the pocket a year ago, but Bears were in lower third of league in designed rollout plays ... like Nagy was trying to outsmart other teams and not to do what defenses expected maybe .. I dunno ??? That climate had to become so stifling to be around .. thinking and acting smarter than everyone else ... but not being smarter.

I can easily see 8-8 level season just based on this alone, better if OL is solid, and things come together.
Fourth, I agree with your assessment of Nagy. Some coaches are assistants, not head coaches. Maybe he gets another shot somewhere and it is different based on what he learned. I am just glad he is gone, it should have been one season earlier. I like the new coach for the Bears. It is just transparent that the team is rebuilding its roster after the total disaster that was Ryan Pace. Even the very best coaches need good players to succeed. Particularly on the O-line I just don't think the talent is there. I am thinking of another year or two to rebuild. If they end up having a great year this season I will be happy about it. I just don't see the talent overall.
 

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Fourth, I agree with your assessment of Nagy. Some coaches are assistants, not head coaches. Maybe he gets another shot somewhere and it is different based on what he learned. I am just glad he is gone, it should have been one season earlier. I like the new coach for the Bears. It is just transparent that the team is rebuilding its roster after the total disaster that was Ryan Pace. Even the very best coaches need good players to succeed. Particularly on the O-line I just don't think the talent is there. I am thinking of another year or two to rebuild. If they end up having a great year this season I will be happy about it. I just don't see the talent overall.
Yes.

Not only was Pace generally a poor judge of talent, he totally screwed up the salary cap deal. They were dumping guys last year and couldn't sign anyone this year due to shortage of room. He was a disaster. The deal to move up for Trubisky speaks for itself, he dealt the world for Mack (which didn't turn out as good as it should've, not really Pace's fault).

And Nagy, I only know what I read in the papers and hear on the talk shows, but seems like he couldn't delegate, had a problem judging his own strengths and weaknesses, couldn't scheme his way out of a paper sack, blah blah blah.
 

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Bears are playing for next season where they will have approx $120 million in cap space. Get a great draft pick so if Fields plays bad they can draft a new QB, buy a new offensive line and some WR and next year they have something. If they win more than 5 games, the coach of the Bears should win coach of the year.
 

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Yes.

Not only was Pace generally a poor judge of talent, he totally screwed up the salary cap deal. They were dumping guys last year and couldn't sign anyone this year due to shortage of room. He was a disaster. The deal to move up for Trubisky speaks for itself, he dealt the world for Mack (which didn't turn out as good as it should've, not really Pace's fault).

And Nagy, I only know what I read in the papers and hear on the talk shows, but seems like he couldn't delegate, had a problem judging his own strengths and weaknesses, couldn't scheme his way out of a paper sack, blah blah blah.
Trubisky was the general consensus top QB (most NFL ready) as per the top 25 national NFL scouts at that time. So picking Trubisky was not an obvious mistake at all. Main knock was he had the least college games started of the top 4 QBs that year: Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson, Kizer.

But as you said, giving away so much to move up 1 spot ... got a 2 pick for a 3 pick plus 3 other 3rd-4th round picks, because there was a chance the 49ers might trade down to someone who wanted a QB. So the Bears brass clearly did NOT like the idea of "settling" for Mahomes or Watson, AND 49ers duped them into thinking Trubisky might be off the board .

More interestingly, Nagy was in KC and got Mahomes, then came to Chicago knowing they had Trubisky after a so so 2017 season. So Nagy had to be all in on Trubisky too or he wouldn't have come to Chicago, especially knowing our history at QB position. But the trade was nuts regardless of hindsight .. they might have gotten Trubisky regardless .. or "settled" for Mahomes or Watson ... putting aside Watson issue, unless Bears saw character issues with Watson .. though doubtful. As for the Mahomes pick .. he may have reminded people too much of Johnny Manzell with his swagger and lack of discipline.

So not 2nd guessing Bears drafting Trubisky .. but that trade was bad. And Nagy also believed in Trubisky. Here are Mahomes and Trubisky scouting reports ... for those interested

Patrick Mahomes Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com .. lot of con's

 

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Big James OShaughnessy cut from Bears with non football illness designation. I expect he will be scoped pretty quickly if he isn't too sick/hurt.
 

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How much does one make on a practice squad of an NFL team?
Practice squad players make $11,500 per week or $207,000 for 18 weeks. Veteran players with over two years of experience will make a minimum of $15,400 per week or $277,200 for 18 weeks, and a maximum of $19,900 per week or $358,200.

That was what I could find on the web. So somewhere 15,400 - 19,900 in his situation.
 

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Taylor Grimes had a couple of TDs in the first quarter against Southern Illinois. The Egyptian Dogs were thoroughly spanked by the Cardinals 64-29. According to the UIW webpage, Taylor had 3 receptions for 126 yards and 2 TDs. His longest was 66 yards. I was disappointed when he left the Redbirds. I thought he was a talented receiver. I'm glad he is having success and it is better that he did well against Southern. It is just one game but I am wondering already if Southern is deserving of their #9 ranking.

 

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Taylor Grimes had a couple of TDs in the first quarter against Southern Illinois. The Egyptian Dogs were thoroughly spanked by the Cardinals 64-29. According to the UIW webpage, Taylor had 3 receptions for 126 yards and 2 TDs. His longest was 66 yards. I was disappointed when he left the Redbirds. I thought he was a talented receiver. I'm glad he is having success and it is better that he did well against Southern. It is just one game but I am wondering already if Southern is deserving of their #9 ranking.

this was the consensus shocker on the AGS's MVFC thread for last weekends games.

The other surprise was how badly UNI defense played against the Air Force .. gave up almost 600 yards rushing and 9.4 ypc. Was down 41-3 heading into Q4, and lost 48-17 with 2 late scores.

The other surprise was SDSU holding Iowa to 7 points, And only scoring 3 points. SDSU offense is supposed to be very potent this year.
 

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Former DB! 2nd year as the DC for the Cleveland Browns.
 

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Congrats to Sean Slattery and Courtney Pence, who got married Saturday.

Slattery's biggest score since he split the uprights (sarcasm) for the game-winning kick on the final play at Northwestern.
 
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