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Total Red

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Most of us saw this coming. In 2017 Chad Kanugh was our only returning starter on the O-Line and the offense generally struggled in scrimmages in the spring and August camps.

It was hoped that the inexperienced offensive line would improve as the season progessed and it probably did but our final 3 games were all against playoff teams (WIU, SDSU and NDSU- national champion) and despite a determined effort in South Dakota we lost all 3 contests.

The good news is that we touched bottom at some point in 2017. With the players we have returning and the young players we have coming up behind them the O-Line is on an upward trajectory for years to come.

I'm a big fan of the left side. Rients went down to injury in the middle of the season and Mikkelson quietly took over at left guard. Rients wasn't bad but I think Mikkelson looked a little better and I don't see him giving the position back. Himmelman's progression at LT is on target. I admit I wasn't optimistic about this one. The idea was to take a 6'9 basketball player and add about 70 lbs to his 230lb frame and hope that he is still agile enough to block the left edge. It's working. Himmelman is around 300 lbs. and he's getting better and better. I really started to believe in Himmelman as I watched him at the Missouri State game. Yeah I know, Himmelman was injured and didn't play at Mo. St. but he did make the trip and I liked that he didn't treat it as a day off. He was intently watching the action seeing if there was anything he could learn by observing someone else play his position (Anderson). Himmelman has put in the work to transform his body and should continue to do so meanwhile Mikkelson has already battled back from a bad back injury (is there a good one?). Very few players come out of HS ready to play a D-I O-Line position. It takes at least one or two years of work in the weight room and practice. Himmelman and Mikkelson "get that" and they have paid their dues. You have to have the requisite physical outline to start with but beyond that you have to have the heart and desire to be really good. Himmelman and Mikkelson appear to have those traits so I'm sold on their ability to man the left side.

The right side can now boast size and experience. Kanugh 6'6 310 has started for a season and a half at RG. O'Day 6'6 305 started last season at RT. O'Day came over from defense so as a recent convert to the OL he should still have some upside to explore.

That's a solid foursome that doesn't include former starter Rients and FBS transfer Megginson, a former Big 10 starter. Where Megginson will line up is an interesting question. He can play both guard and tackle positions. My guess is that he will try to unseat O'Day at RT but that could go either way. No matter who wins out that gives us 6 good O-Linemen for 4 positions and that doesn't even include several big young bucks on the rise. Georgie, Day (yes there is a Day and an O' Day) Ridgeway (the 318lb dunking machine) and MORE. More is in caps because NOBODY really knows who is going to develop. I'll say this again and it may not be the last time. NFL'ers Cam Lee and Cameron Meredith both arrived at Illinois State as walk-ons.

We still have one position to go. CENTER. Last year Dean Helt won a 3-way battle for the job but he also battled injuries throughout the season. That's a shame because I was amazed when I looked back at how much better the offense performed when Helt was in the lineup. The center often has to get out and block the middle linebacker and that's a key block to determine whether a running play goes anywhere or not. We've been spoiled. Spelman was an outstanding 2nd level blocker and Helt was also highly effective. When Helt was out the lineup the blocking wasn't as good and we had trouble with some snaps. I'm bubbling over with enthusiasm for the '18 O-Line but it could all dry up in a hurry if we don't find the right guy at center. Hirsch will likely start the Spring as the #1 Center. As I said in another post I've learned my lesson. Players get better. Hirsch didn't have a good year in '17 but he was only a RS-freshman. He gained a lot of valuble experience and he could come back greatly improved. I also expect him to be challenged. Who else can play center? Bones? Ames? If a young O-Linemen is looking to break through this may be his best chance. There's a lot riding on this. The O-Line could be greatly improved but we have to get the Center position right.

Am I obsessing over one offensive line position? Maybe so. We have other holes to fill on offense. The WR position has major gaps. It's important to get that right too. We never really replaced '16 WR graduate Anthony Warrum and the '17 offense suffered because of it. I'm sometimes guilty of the Bill Parcells (former NY Giant Coach) approach to the WR position. "WR's are like Tic Tacs. You can pick one up at the checkout counter on your way out." I think we'll find the WR's we need and Jake Kolbe will have a good season but it all starts up front. We've got a great group of RB's. If we can open some holes for them then we can get good yardage on first down and everything starts to fall into place.

Yes I'm obsessed. Find an outstanding Center and we'll blow the lid off of this thing.
 

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Total Red said:
Most of us saw this coming. In 2017 Chad Kanugh was our only returning starter on the O-Line and the offense generally struggled in scrimmages in the spring and August camps.

It was hoped that the inexperienced offensive line would improve as the season progessed and it probably did but our final 3 games were all against playoff teams (WIU, SDSU and NDSU- national champion) and despite a determined effort in South Dakota we lost all 3 contests.

The good news is that we touched bottom at some point in 2017. With the players we have returning and the young players we have coming up behind them the O-Line is on an upward trajectory for years to come.

I'm a big fan of the left side. Rients went down to injury in the middle of the season and Mikkelson quietly took over at left guard. Rients wasn't bad but I think Mikkelson looked a little better and I don't see him giving the position back. Himmelman's progression at LT is on target. I admit I wasn't optimistic about this one. The idea was to take a 6'9 basketball player and add about 70 lbs to his 230lb frame and hope that he is still agile enough to block the left edge. It's working. Himmelman is around 300 lbs. and he's getting better and better. I really started to believe in Himmelman as I watched him at the Missouri State game. Yeah I know, Himmelman was injured and didn't play at Mo. St. but he did make the trip and I liked that he didn't treat it as a day off. He was intently watching the action seeing if there was anything he could learn by observing someone else play his position (Anderson). Himmelman has put in the work to transform his body and should continue to do so meanwhile Mikkelson has already battled back from a bad back injury (is there a good one?). Very few players come out of HS ready to play a D-I O-Line position. It takes at least one or two years of work in the weight room and practice. Himmelman and Mikkelson "get that" and they have paid their dues. You have to have the requisite physical outline to start with but beyond that you have to have the heart and desire to be really good. Himmelman and Mikkelson appear to have those traits so I'm sold on their ability to man the left side.

The right side can now boast size and experience. Kanugh 6'6 310 has started for a season and a half at RG. O'Day 6'6 305 started last season at RT. O'Day came over from defense so as a recent convert to the OL he should still have some upside to explore.

That's a solid foursome that doesn't include former starter Rients and FBS transfer Megginson, a former Big 10 starter. Where Megginson will line up is an interesting question. He can play both guard and tackle positions. My guess is that he will try to unseat O'Day at RT but that could go either way. No matter who wins out that gives us 6 good O-Linemen for 4 positions and that doesn't even include several big young bucks on the rise. Georgie, Day (yes there is a Day and an O' Day) Ridgeway (the 318lb dunking machine) and MORE. More is in caps because NOBODY really knows who is going to develop. I'll say this again and it may not be the last time. NFL'ers Cam Lee and Cameron Meredith both arrived at Illinois State as walk-ons.

We still have one position to go. CENTER. Last year Dean Helt won a 3-way battle for the job but he also battled injuries throughout the season. That's a shame because I was amazed when I looked back at how much better the offense performed when Helt was in the lineup. The center often has to get out and block the middle linebacker and that's a key block to determine whether a running play goes anywhere or not. We've been spoiled. Spelman was an outstanding 2nd level blocker and Helt was also highly effective. When Helt was out the lineup the blocking wasn't as good and we had trouble with some snaps. I'm bubbling over with enthusiasm for the '18 O-Line but it could all dry up in a hurry if we don't find the right guy at center. Hirsch will likely start the Spring as the #1 Center. As I said in another post I've learned my lesson. Players get better. Hirsch didn't have a good year in '17 but he was only a RS-freshman. He gained a lot of valuble experience and he could come back greatly improved. I also expect him to be challenged. Who else can play center? Bones? Ames? If a young O-Linemen is looking to break through this may be his best chance. There's a lot riding on this. The O-Line could be greatly improved but we have to get the Center position right.

Am I obsessing over one offensive line position? Maybe so. We have other holes to fill on offense. The WR position has major gaps. It's important to get that right too. We never really replaced '16 WR graduate Anthony Warrum and the '17 offense suffered because of it. I'm sometimes guilty of the Bill Parcells (former NY Giant Coach) approach to the WR position. "WR's are like Tic Tacs. You can pick one up at the checkout counter on your way out." I think we'll find the WR's we need and Jake Kolbe will have a good season but it all starts up front. We've got a great group of RB's. If we can open some holes for them then we can get good yardage on first down and everything starts to fall into place.

Yes I'm obsessed. Find an outstanding Center and we'll blow the lid off of this thing.
Good stuff as usual TR

Nothing wrong with "obsessing" over the most important position group in football. :D

Especially this team that will go as far as the talented RB group takes them.
 

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My gut feeling is Himmelman will end up being one of our highest drafted players. He's got three years left and was voted to the MVS newbie team. He'll 335 lbs when he leaves. Brock said scouts were already noticing him when they came on campus so you know they'll be keeping track of his development. They love those athletic big OT's with long arms. Hopefully he doesn't have a serious injury.
 

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Interesting post Total Red. I also tend to watch the O-Line since on offense it all goes as the line goes. Yes, we were spoiled with Spelman manning the center post for so long. The center usually is responsible for calling blocking adjustments at the line as well so you lose quite a bit if you lose your starting center. Helt I thought played well last year even with battling all the injuries. Next year it will be an interesting battle for the starting jobs on the line.
One O-Line position you did not talk about was the Tight Ends. I expect Petkovich to have a solid year and Gillum looked pretty good at times in 2017. A red shirt freshman, Tanner Taula, will also be in the mix and it will be interesting to see what he brings.
I read some things by Coach Bob Ladouceur from the movie and book, "When the Game Stands Tall". Besides being the head coach he also coached the offensive line because he thought it was the "priority unit". He also thought your best offensive lineman had to be the Tight End and the weakest could be the Center. The Tight End because he had to be able to block and catch/run the ball. The type offense they ran also probably was a factor in this as well.
I am expecting some good things with the men up front next season. They have some solid running backs behind them and with the new offensive coaches,
I am expecting this unit to be very productive.
 

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Too bad Tyler Brown decided not to return for his final year of eligibility. He certainly would have been in the mix for the starting center position and added experience and depth. I believe he came in as a gray shirt and then took a red shirt. That's a lot of college and football, so I can't blame the kid for wanting to move on with his life.

I don't have any statistics to back this up, but it seems like this young OL group was not penalized very much in 2017. Usually the words "young, inexperienced and penalties" go together. Looks like a very disciplined bunch.

Don't forget that Rients destroyed his shoulder already in August camp. He started the season against Butler, fitted with a shoulder harness/restraint. About half way through the season, the staff finally decided to sit him, with the best interests of the kid in mind. Another bad knock for Rients was Helt going down in the EIU game. He only had the luxury of Helt at his side for 4 - 5 quarters last season. Hopefully the surgery and rehab are going well for him. I expect it may be very impressive what Rients can do with more than just one arm. I also like Kanugh and Mikkelson. Not only did Mikkelson have to over come back surgery but also the tragic death of his father last summer. There doesn't seem to be anything "Hollywood" about those three. Very straight forward, lunch bucket type, tough, hard nosed, blunt, and about as subtle as a freight train. I wonder if one or two will get some reps at center this spring? Maybe Kanugh? Rients probably won't be released medically in time for spring ball.

I agree that Megginson will be eyeing up the RT spot. Like Dean Helt, Megginson has the versatility to play multiple positions but I hope he stays outside as we seem to have good depth at guard, while the same may not be the case at tackle. This fall, one observer noted that during camp, he thought Helt looked like a "1" on the depth chart at both center and tackle. He was a bit astonished that Helt didn't get the nod at RT. He felt the "gap" between 1 and 2 at RT was pretty large compared to the gap between 1, 2 and even 3 at center. He went on to say that he felt the unit played better as a whole with Helt on the outside and was much less vulnerable. I don't recall ever seeing Helt at tackle last season. Maybe another reason for Clark's departure. That's all water under the bridge. Coach Etheridge has to very excited to have Megginson with his experience and versatility. Himmleman has tremendous upside. Already very good, and will only be a sophomore. Lets hope we can keep them all healthy!
 

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Helt played all Center because we had no one else close to ready. And he got injured and missed some time, but came back and played hurt ... he really stepped up for his team last fall, playing out of position and injured .. dude should be proud of himself !!

Forgot about Rients injury .. so it wasn't enough that we lost 4.5 starters form 2016, but then we have 3 injured starters from this year in LT Himmelman, LG Rients, C Helt .. .. with both Himmelman an especially Center Helt having to play injured. Which means we had to dip into our 3 and 4 deep from 2016 to field LT, LG, and C positions.

FYI, RG Knaugh was the lone 0.5 returning starter last fall.

And in a complete of reversal of fortune, this fall only Helt is gone. Plus we've got guys who stepped up when others were injured, plus transfer Megginson, and everyone is a year older ... feeling much better about OL for 2018 .. just need to develop the 2 deep at Center .. last year was a hot mess.
 

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bird bud 5 - You're the 2nd person recently to tell me that a healthy Jared Rients will make a real difference for the O-Line next season so I'm looking forward to that.

Overall the depth on the Offense is good. Other than Schnell at the slot we should have backups ready that can approximate what the starter can do. I get tired of the "yeah but he was hurt" at the end of every season.
 
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