Missouri State

[Redbird Alum 2004]

Yeah, golden state warriors like.

No but I think they would have taken anyone in the valley tonight.

 

[cubird]

Don't think Prim will get flop fouls in St.Louis. Only good thing about the game is Mark getting back in shape.

 

[Redbird60451]

that was a huge 3 for those who had $ on the game

 

[Birdfriend72]

No but I think they would have taken anyone in the valley tonight.

I watch Purdue yesterday. They would kill Mo State. Yeah, they aren’t in the Valley- but i guess that’s the reason we will get only one team in.

 

[Bird Friend]

Got ourselves a 2nd half whooping . . . Chatman, Reeves, and Strong combined for 2-18 in 2nd half. Rest of team was 8-19. Only had 9 turnovers for the game . . . but MOST didn't need TOs when all they had to do was rebound our many missed shots.

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

I watch Purdue yesterday. They would kill Mo State. Yeah, they aren’t in the Valley- but i guess that’s the reason we will get only one team in

I watch Purdue yesterday. They would kill Mo State. Yeah, they aren’t in the Valley- but i guess that’s the reason we will get only one team in.

They were so good tonight, Dan shouldn’t have shown up. It has nothing to do with the amazing offense and defense they brought to Springfield. Give me a break. Isu was completely unprepared and got out hustled, out toughed and flat out beat. Anyone who followed closely over the muller era is not surprised, he is the king of inconsistency…. The sign of a great coach. But no, it’s not his fault, he just faced too tough of an opponent, give him a pass.

 

[gobirds85]

We have some talent. They have some fight but we have no leader on the floor or on the bench. We need to stop giving teams 20 point plus leads and expect to come back. This is not a recipe for success. It’s a recipe for another Thursday night exit.

 

[cubird]

Yes Purdue is a potential Final Four Team. Our conference teams are not going head to head against Purdue to get in the tournament.

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

We have some talent. They have some fight but we have no leader on the floor or on the bench. We need to stop giving teams 20 point plus leads and expect to come back. This is not a recipe for success. It’s a recipe for another Thursday night exit.

Yes Purdue is a potential Final Four Team. Our conference teams are not going head to head against Purdue to get in the tournament.

Loyola beat the big ten champion last year, I agree top to bottom the mvc can’t compete however the best teams in the mvc can and should.

 

[Loyl2u]

SWMS shot very well tonight and Birds didn’t, of course winning teams usually do shoot better, if the Birds can’t create more defensive problems for opponents, wins will be rare. Bottom line, Bears didn’t take Reeves out of game(9 points), ISU’s offense did. Reeves just doesn’t get enough touches if Freeman or Fleming play point. He needs to create off the dribble because there is little in the offense that would create open looks for him off the ball(like screens set by other players off-ball for him), but Reeves handling the ball outside has been generally successful since the Covid lineup at Whisky And previous OTs.

I thought that the 2nd half of the BU game, it looked like the Birds recognized the lineup impact from Whisky and replicated it for success. Now Birds appear to be back to old lineups from before Covid and similar results. While Freeman contribute more offensively than McChessney, he takes the ball out of Reeves hands, he doesn’t get rebounds nor create matchup problems defensively and not sure why Lewis disappeared to bench in 2nd half but regardless, the big lineup of Chatman/Schmitt, Lewis and McChessney, Reeves at point and Strong at shooting guard was non-existent tonight- the one that was successful at Whisky and in the 2nd half against Bradley together appears to have simply been lucky happenstance and the Birds sure looked like a team that Was intent on looking a gift horse in the mouth.

 

[Birdfriend72]

Loyola beat the big ten champion last year, I agree top to bottom the mvc can’t compete however the best teams in the mvc can and should.

Loyola struggled to beat indiana st the other night. How in the world are they going to beat Purdue? They aren’t the same team as last year.

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

Loyola struggled to beat indiana st the other night. How in the world are they going to beat Purdue? They aren’t the same team as last year.

Agree, this years Loyola team is not that of last. My point however was that the top mvc teams have been able to compete with the big dogs. Hell isu fought Wisconsin to the wire. They however would have trouble in a 20 game conference schedule. There are no games like Evansville, valpo isu etc for the big ten teams.

 

[Trey_Guidry4three]

I'm not worried at all about this year's team. I suspect a Saturday MVC tourney appearance at the minimum. What I am worried about is transfers. I'm close to some Wisconsin alums and the word is that there is mutual interest with Reeves and Wisconsin for a transfer next year. After all, he wanted to go there out of HS but did not receive an offer. I'd hate to see him go but cannot blame him !!!

 

[isuquinndog]

My thoughts on this game:

 

[SgtHulka]

Reeves and Fleming combined for 19 first half points and 0 second half

Freeman had a nice second half

We let the early tight officiating set the tone and played on our heels the rest of the game. Nobody attacked Prim, we just took fade away shots.

If Reeves takes\makes the final shot of the first half, and makes the wide open 3 off a steal early in the second half then perhaps its a different outcome. Probably not a win, but a competitive game at least

Coffin nail game

 

[DaveBird10]

Reeves and Fleming combined for 19 first half points and 0 second half

Freeman had a nice second half

We let the early tight officiating set the tone and played on our heels the rest of the game. Nobody attacked Prim, we just took fade away shots.

If Reeves takes\makes the final shot of the first half, and makes the wide open 3 off a steal early in the second half then perhaps its a different outcome. Probably not a win, but a competitive game at least

Coffin nail game

This is what upset me last night. We let Prim his flopping and the refs take use out of our game, it affected the entire game mentally. Once Lewis got the T it was over because that turned it into a 20 point game. Once the nail was in the coffin at that point with Reeves and Strong struggling was glad to see Dan rest the guys. Getting rest was more important then going after that game.

Another note with the game Dana and MOST is starting to get on my nerves. His leaping ability, sidelines antics then Prim and his flopping ability make it very easy to root against them.

 

[gobirds85]

This is what upset me last night. We let Prim his flopping and the refs take use out of our game, it affected the entire game mentally. Once Lewis got the T it was over because that turned it into a 20 point game. Once the nail was in the coffin at that point with Reeves and Strong struggling was glad to see Dan rest the guys. Getting rest was more important then going after that game.

Another note with the game Dana and MOST is starting to get on my nerves. His leaping ability, sidelines antics then Prim and his flopping ability make it very easy to root against them.

I agree with you on Dana's antics, but look who got the majority of the calls. Dan's "oh gee, golly" approach doesn't seem to be working. Watch how winning coaches work the sidelines and then watch Dan's approach. Do you see a difference? I do.

 

[Adunk33]

I threw in the towel on this game at the 13 min mark in the second half, around the same time coach did. If you look at the box score, having not watched the game, you might be surprised either team won by 25. Mo State only made 5 more FGs, rebounds were tied, and the Birds only had 9 TOs. The two major differences? MoSt made 20 free throws to the Birds 9 and shot 58% to the Birds 35%.

I'm not a ref blamer for the outcome of games, especially one that was a 25 drubbing. The fact is, Prim is getting the Krutwig treatment. He initiates contact on both sides of the ball. Offensively, he'll put his shoulder in to you and then throw up a shot to get a call. Think James Harden for a post player. Defensively, he puts his arms straight up and keeps them there, but then puts his chest into the shooter. That was noticeable with Sy. To have a chance, Sy needed to embrace the contact and force the refs to blow the whistle. Instead, he spent a lot of time fading away from the basket. These are the exact same things Krutwig did, more so defensively. Muller mentioned in the post game that he's going to have to ask the head of officials how teams are supposed to guard Prim when he is allowed to do what he does.

Schmitt was the true 5 man the Birds brought in to counter guys like Prim. He's been okay, just needs more weight and to embrace being a banger. It's tough when you're giving up 20-30 lbs in the post. We talked about it during round 1 against Mo State, Prim has slimmed down from last year but no way is he only 5lbs bigger than Sy. He's listed at 235 and Sy at 230. Ryan is listed at 225 but also is two inches taller than those guys.

Just overall a really, really bad game. Glad the team doesn't have to dwell on it and plays another game here in about 32 hours.

 

[Redbird222]

MSU outplayed us thoroughly and deserved to win. They made serveral tough/late shots and should get props for that . They also banked in a couple of threes and it seemed like everything was falling their way.

We blew it in the first half when Mosley was on the bench. He left the game and we were defensively a train wreck still. Prim is a Redbird killer and was going to get his points. However we let Black light it up in the first half. Also, we went to the zone for a stretch and we were awful again in it.

Our bigs struggled mightily throughout the game. Chatman got 2 fouls and never got into a game flow .... unlike Mosley who came back with determination for MSU. Adou was lost and a liability. Schmidt gave a decent effort but was outclassed by Prim.

When Mosley came off the bench in the second half, he was determined to get his points. Give him props, even when we played good defense his offense was better.

Reeves played well offensively in the first half but only had 5 shots. He didn't touch the ball at the start of the second half and then was dismal after that. Muller threw in the towel and quite frankly with the number of games we have in the short stretch, I would have rested players too. As someone already stated, the only good thing in the second half was perhaps Freeman get minutes and perhaps getting some confidence back. This was the first game that we seemed to come unglued and lost our composure. You can play poorly and still play poise and intensity ... we did not yesterday.

MSU has talent and can beat anyone in the MVC ... I just don't know if they can have the discipline to play three consecutive days at an elite level. We will see in St Louis.

 

[Rollbirds5]

Loyola struggled to beat indiana st the other night. How in the world are they going to beat Purdue? They aren’t the same team as last year.

They took Michigan state to the wire leading most of the game before losing on a last second bucket earlier this year so I'd say they would at least keep it competitive