Its Hard to beat a team 3 times in a season :

[Buffett]

I don't buy it, No facts behind this.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

...is the worst cliche in basketball.

 

[Redbirds4Life]

Ask the Carolina Panthers....

 

[SgtHulka]

Missing the word Good

 

[Adunk33]

Though I just used it in another thread, I do agree its a trite cliche.

Lets take a look at our stuff dating from the 2008-9 hoops season looking at the teams we played 3 times.

08-09: Bad Evansville team (3-0)*, Creighton (2-1)*, Northern Iowa (0-3)
09-10: Indiana State (2-1)*, Wichita State (1-2)
10-11: Southern Illinois (1-2)
11-12: Northern Iowa (2-1)*, Wichita State (1-2)*, Creighton (0-3)
12-13: Northern Iowa (1-2)*, Wichita State (0-3)
13-14: Missouri State (1-2)
14-15: Evansville (3-0)*, Wichita State (1-2)*, Northern Iowa (0-3)
15-16: Indiana State (1-2)
16-17: Evansville (3-0), Southern Illinois (3-0), Wichita State (1-2)
*Won Tournament game*

So what does this mean. In the last 10 years, we have played 19 teams 3 times. There has been a season sweep 8 of those times, including the statistical anomaly of last season's 17-1 conference record. Without including last year as an outlier, there are 16 games and 6 sweeps. So, that example would favor the idea "it's hard to beat a team 3 times." So its either 58%/42% in favor of "its hard to beat a team 3 times" or its 62.5%/37.5%. If I had more time or ability I would look at the whole conference to see if this theme continues. The only opportunity we have with this list this year would be if we lost to both Drake and Loyola and then played both in the tournament.

As always, I'm not great at numbers so if I missed something here, I'm sure you'll let me know.

 

[ChiRedbirdfan]

Missing the word Good

:text-+1:

 

[RedbirdAlum13]

Though I just used it in another thread, I do agree its a trite cliche.

Lets take a look at our stuff dating from the 2008-9 hoops season looking at the teams we played 3 times.

08-09: Bad Evansville team (3-0)*, Creighton (2-1)*, Northern Iowa (0-3)
09-10: Indiana State (2-1)*, Wichita State (1-2)
10-11: Southern Illinois (1-2)
11-12: Northern Iowa (2-1)*, Wichita State (1-2)*, Creighton (0-3)
12-13: Northern Iowa (1-2)*, Wichita State (0-3)
13-14: Missouri State (1-2)
14-15: Evansville (3-0)*, Wichita State (1-2)*, Northern Iowa (0-3)
15-16: Indiana State (1-2)
16-17: Evansville (3-0), Southern Illinois (3-0), Wichita State (1-2)
*Won Tournament game*

So what does this mean. In the last 10 years, we have played 19 teams 3 times. There has been a season sweep 8 of those times, including the statistical anomaly of last season's 17-1 conference record. Without including last year as an outlier, there are 16 games and 6 sweeps. So, that example would favor the idea "it's hard to beat a team 3 times." So its either 58%/42% in favor of "its hard to beat a team 3 times" or its 62.5%/37.5%. If I had more time or ability I would look at the whole conference to see if this theme continues. The only opportunity we have with this list this year would be if we lost to both Drake and Loyola and then played both in the tournament.

As always, I'm not great at numbers so if I missed something here, I'm sure you'll let me know.

What you are showing here is every team ISU played 3 times in a season, including teams they were 1-1 against going into the 3rd game. This shows that in general it is hard to win 3 times. However, you only really start to hear "its hard to beat a team 3 times" when one of the teams is 2-0 going into the game. Out of the 19 games you listed, ISU was either 2-0 or 0-2 heading into the 3rd game 11 times (I have bolded these games above). ISU won all 4 games in which they were 2-0 and lost 4 out of the 7 games in which they were 0-2. That means that in the 11 games where a team had a chance to win a 3rd game, they won 8 times.

 

[Redbird222]

Though I just used it in another thread, I do agree its a trite cliche.

Lets take a look at our stuff dating from the 2008-9 hoops season looking at the teams we played 3 times.

08-09: Bad Evansville team (3-0)*, Creighton (2-1)*, Northern Iowa (0-3)
09-10: Indiana State (2-1)*, Wichita State (1-2)
10-11: Southern Illinois (1-2)
11-12: Northern Iowa (2-1)*, Wichita State (1-2)*, Creighton (0-3)
12-13: Northern Iowa (1-2)*, Wichita State (0-3)
13-14: Missouri State (1-2)
14-15: Evansville (3-0)*, Wichita State (1-2)*, Northern Iowa (0-3)
15-16: Indiana State (1-2)
16-17: Evansville (3-0), Southern Illinois (3-0), Wichita State (1-2)
*Won Tournament game*

So what does this mean. In the last 10 years, we have played 19 teams 3 times. There has been a season sweep 8 of those times, including the statistical anomaly of last season's 17-1 conference record. Without including last year as an outlier, there are 16 games and 6 sweeps. So, that example would favor the idea "it's hard to beat a team 3 times." So its either 58%/42% in favor of "its hard to beat a team 3 times" or its 62.5%/37.5%. If I had more time or ability I would look at the whole conference to see if this theme continues. The only opportunity we have with this list this year would be if we lost to both Drake and Loyola and then played both in the tournament.

As always, I'm not great at numbers so if I missed something here, I'm sure you'll let me know.

What you are showing here is every team ISU played 3 times in a season, including teams they were 1-1 against going into the 3rd game. This shows that in general it is hard to win 3 times. However, you only really start to hear "its hard to beat a team 3 times" when one of the teams is 2-0 going into the game. Out of the 19 games you listed, ISU was either 2-0 or 0-2 heading into the 3rd game 11 times (I have bolded these games above). ISU won all 4 games in which they were 2-0 and lost 4 out of the 7 games in which they were 0-2. That means that in the 11 games where a team had a chance to win a 3rd game, they won 8 times.

:text-+1: Henetally speaking I would love to play teams that we were 2-0 vs. Teams we were 0-2 or even 1-1.

 

[Adunk33]

Though I just used it in another thread, I do agree its a trite cliche.

Lets take a look at our stuff dating from the 2008-9 hoops season looking at the teams we played 3 times.

08-09: Bad Evansville team (3-0)*, Creighton (2-1)*, Northern Iowa (0-3)
09-10: Indiana State (2-1)*, Wichita State (1-2)
10-11: Southern Illinois (1-2)
11-12: Northern Iowa (2-1)*, Wichita State (1-2)*, Creighton (0-3)
12-13: Northern Iowa (1-2)*, Wichita State (0-3)
13-14: Missouri State (1-2)
14-15: Evansville (3-0)*, Wichita State (1-2)*, Northern Iowa (0-3)
15-16: Indiana State (1-2)
16-17: Evansville (3-0), Southern Illinois (3-0), Wichita State (1-2)
*Won Tournament game*

So what does this mean. In the last 10 years, we have played 19 teams 3 times. There has been a season sweep 8 of those times, including the statistical anomaly of last season's 17-1 conference record. Without including last year as an outlier, there are 16 games and 6 sweeps. So, that example would favor the idea "it's hard to beat a team 3 times." So its either 58%/42% in favor of "its hard to beat a team 3 times" or its 62.5%/37.5%. If I had more time or ability I would look at the whole conference to see if this theme continues. The only opportunity we have with this list this year would be if we lost to both Drake and Loyola and then played both in the tournament.

As always, I'm not great at numbers so if I missed something here, I'm sure you'll let me know.

What you are showing here is every team ISU played 3 times in a season, including teams they were 1-1 against going into the 3rd game. This shows that in general it is hard to win 3 times. However, you only really start to hear "its hard to beat a team 3 times" when one of the teams is 2-0 going into the game. Out of the 19 games you listed, ISU was either 2-0 or 0-2 heading into the 3rd game 11 times (I have bolded these games above). ISU won all 4 games in which they were 2-0 and lost 4 out of the 7 games in which they were 0-2. That means that in the 11 games where a team had a chance to win a 3rd game, they won 8 times.

I dig it! Nice.!! :text-+1:

 

[Bird Friend]

Though I just used it in another thread, I do agree its a trite cliche.

Lets take a look at our stuff dating from the 2008-9 hoops season looking at the teams we played 3 times.

08-09: Bad Evansville team (3-0)*, Creighton (2-1)*, Northern Iowa (0-3)
09-10: Indiana State (2-1)*, Wichita State (1-2)
10-11: Southern Illinois (1-2)
11-12: Northern Iowa (2-1)*, Wichita State (1-2)*, Creighton (0-3)
12-13: Northern Iowa (1-2)*, Wichita State (0-3)
13-14: Missouri State (1-2)
14-15: Evansville (3-0)*, Wichita State (1-2)*, Northern Iowa (0-3)
15-16: Indiana State (1-2)
16-17: Evansville (3-0), Southern Illinois (3-0), Wichita State (1-2)
*Won Tournament game*

So what does this mean. In the last 10 years, we have played 19 teams 3 times. There has been a season sweep 8 of those times, including the statistical anomaly of last season's 17-1 conference record. Without including last year as an outlier, there are 16 games and 6 sweeps. So, that example would favor the idea "it's hard to beat a team 3 times." So its either 58%/42% in favor of "its hard to beat a team 3 times" or its 62.5%/37.5%. If I had more time or ability I would look at the whole conference to see if this theme continues. The only opportunity we have with this list this year would be if we lost to both Drake and Loyola and then played both in the tournament.

As always, I'm not great at numbers so if I missed something here, I'm sure you'll let me know.

What you are showing here is every team ISU played 3 times in a season, including teams they were 1-1 against going into the 3rd game. This shows that in general it is hard to win 3 times. However, you only really start to hear "its hard to beat a team 3 times" when one of the teams is 2-0 going into the game. Out of the 19 games you listed, ISU was either 2-0 or 0-2 heading into the 3rd game 11 times (I have bolded these games above). ISU won all 4 games in which they were 2-0 and lost 4 out of the 7 games in which they were 0-2. That means that in the 11 games where a team had a chance to win a 3rd game, they won 8 times.

So, in other words, we need to play Tulsa in the tourney.

 

[Sladerunningbear]

We probably will...in the CBI.

 

[Adunk33]

Though I just used it in another thread, I do agree its a trite cliche.

Lets take a look at our stuff dating from the 2008-9 hoops season looking at the teams we played 3 times.

08-09: Bad Evansville team (3-0)*, Creighton (2-1)*, Northern Iowa (0-3)
09-10: Indiana State (2-1)*, Wichita State (1-2)
10-11: Southern Illinois (1-2)
11-12: Northern Iowa (2-1)*, Wichita State (1-2)*, Creighton (0-3)
12-13: Northern Iowa (1-2)*, Wichita State (0-3)
13-14: Missouri State (1-2)
14-15: Evansville (3-0)*, Wichita State (1-2)*, Northern Iowa (0-3)
15-16: Indiana State (1-2)
16-17: Evansville (3-0), Southern Illinois (3-0), Wichita State (1-2)
*Won Tournament game*

So what does this mean. In the last 10 years, we have played 19 teams 3 times. There has been a season sweep 8 of those times, including the statistical anomaly of last season's 17-1 conference record. Without including last year as an outlier, there are 16 games and 6 sweeps. So, that example would favor the idea "it's hard to beat a team 3 times." So its either 58%/42% in favor of "its hard to beat a team 3 times" or its 62.5%/37.5%. If I had more time or ability I would look at the whole conference to see if this theme continues. The only opportunity we have with this list this year would be if we lost to both Drake and Loyola and then played both in the tournament.

As always, I'm not great at numbers so if I missed something here, I'm sure you'll let me know.

What you are showing here is every team ISU played 3 times in a season, including teams they were 1-1 against going into the 3rd game. This shows that in general it is hard to win 3 times. However, you only really start to hear "its hard to beat a team 3 times" when one of the teams is 2-0 going into the game. Out of the 19 games you listed, ISU was either 2-0 or 0-2 heading into the 3rd game 11 times (I have bolded these games above). ISU won all 4 games in which they were 2-0 and lost 4 out of the 7 games in which they were 0-2. That means that in the 11 games where a team had a chance to win a 3rd game, they won 8 times.

I dig it! Nice.!! :text-+1:

I was thinking about this a little more. I think the origin of the comment "its hard to beat a team 3 times in a season" is not necessarily exclusively referring to going 2-0 and winning the final game. It could very well be referring to the overall 3 game picture. Going 2-1 against a team is not 3-0, neither is 1-2. I'm not saying you're wrong, this is just another way to look at it. Overall, it could be argued that it is tough to beat a team 3 times because it has only happened 8 of 19 times or 6 of 16.