FOUL!!! Exhibits #1,104 and#1,105

jbird

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I waited a couple of days to post this because I wanted to re-watch the two shots thatI angling to mention here.

If anybody still thinks that just playing tough defense gives you better odds than fouling to protect a 3 point lead in the final seconds I offer asExhibits #1,104 and 1,105 in favor of fouling the two shots by UNI's Bowen Born on Wednesday night at Drake at the end of regulation and at the end of the first overtime.

Down by 3 with 3.5 seconds left and needing to go the length of the floor UNI's Bowen Born hit a buzzer-beating trey to send the game into overtime. Then at the end of the first overruns and again only 3 seconds left, Born hit another buzzer-beater to send the game into a second overtime.

The fallacy of the "don't foul, just play good defense" option was demonstrated when BOTH of Born's shots were extremely well-defended. On the first one at the end of regulation he squeezed between two defenders and had to double-clutch and release the shot from hip level. On the second at the end of the first O.T., with3.4 seconds left,UNI's lobbed inbounds lass was errant and Born ran it down and grabbed it at the mid court with his back to the basket; he could have been fouled at any time between then and when he curled to about 22 feet, straight on from beyond the top of the jey. A Drake defender closed out on Born and challenged the shot so closely that he nearly fouled Born on his release.

Instead of choosing to foul in the final couple of seconds, Drake twice gambled that good defense was the better option and they were proven wrong twice.

The other worst case scenario is that if you foul, the shooter could make one and miss the second and an offensive rebound basket would tie the game. But because Born's game-tying shots were buzzer-beaters, there would have been only a fraction of a second on the clock for UNI to rebound a missed free throw and put it in the basket.
 

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I waited a couple of days to post this because I wanted to re-watch the two shots thatI angling to mention here.

If anybody still thinks that just playing tough defense gives you better odds than fouling to protect a 3 point lead in the final seconds I offer asExhibits #1,104 and 1,105 in favor of fouling the two shots by UNI's Bowen Born on Wednesday night at Drake at the end of regulation and at the end of the first overtime.

Down by 3 with 3.5 seconds left and needing to go the length of the floor UNI's Bowen Born hit a buzzer-beating trey to send the game into overtime. Then at the end of the first overruns and again only 3 seconds left, Born hit another buzzer-beater to send the game into a second overtime.

The fallacy of the "don't foul, just play good defense" option was demonstrated when BOTH of Born's shots were extremely well-defended. On the first one at the end of regulation he squeezed between two defenders and had to double-clutch and release the shot from hip level. On the second at the end of the first O.T., with3.4 seconds left,UNI's lobbed inbounds lass was errant and Born ran it down and grabbed it at the mid court with his back to the basket; he could have been fouled at any time between then and when he curled to about 22 feet, straight on from beyond the top of the jey. A Drake defender closed out on Born and challenged the shot so closely that he nearly fouled Born on his release.

Instead of choosing to foul in the final couple of seconds, Drake twice gambled that good defense was the better option and they were proven wrong twice.

The other worst case scenario is that if you foul, the shooter could make one and miss the second and an offensive rebound basket would tie the game. But because Born's game-tying shots were buzzer-beaters, there would have been only a fraction of a second on the clock for UNI to rebound a missed free throw and put it in the basket.

I agree 1 jillion %, if a jillion is a number. I have never understood the philosophy of playing D over fouling. Up 3, and you only receive 2 points if you make both free throws. Not great at math, but 3 is greater than 2.

I watched the end of the UNI/Drake game. Great finish. Both of Born’s shots were incredible but he never should have had the opportunity to launch either shot.
 
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The other argument I have sometimes heard is the risk of intentionally fouling the shooter at the same time he goes up for a shot giving up 3 FTs. I have seen that happen only once in a pro game so I am not sure how valid an argument.
 

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Basically, it's an unwritten rule to not do it unless it's a sudden death game. The problem with that is mid-majors can't afford to give away games on a goddamed unwritten rule.
 

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Chris Collins did the foul vs. Wisconsin tonight, ahead 3 with 4 seconds left, Badgers hit the first FT, missed second and NU got the rebound and ran out the clock.
 

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The other argument I have sometimes heard is the risk of intentionally fouling the shooter at the same time he goes up for a shot giving up 3 FTs. I have seen that happen only once in a pro game so I am not sure how valid an argument.
That's why I pointed out that before Born's second shot (the one at the end of the first OT, he had to track down an inbounds pass at midcourt with 3.4 seconds left and with his back to the basket. There was plenty of opportunity to foul before he got himself into position to launch his buzzer-beating shot.
 

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That's why I pointed out that before Born's second shot (the one at the end of the first OT, he had to track down an inbounds pass at midcourt with 3.4 seconds left and with his back to the basket. There was plenty of opportunity to foul before he got himself into position to launch his buzzer-beating shot.
WHAT (DIDN'T) HAPPENED?!?
 

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DePaul Coach Tony Stubblefield (bad) didn’t do it the other night. St. John’s hit a three at the buzzer and eventually won in double-overtime.

Ridiculous.
 

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DePaul Coach Tony Stubblefield (bad) didn’t do it the other night. St. John’s hit a three at the buzzer and eventually won in double-overtime.

Ridiculous.

Simple math dictates that fouling, when up three and only seconds on the clock, is logical. Two made free throws adds up to two points. The likelihood of hitting the first free throw, then missing the second one and securing the rebound and getting a put back is highly unlikely, but yet we see it over and over again.
 
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