First Game vs WIU

DougSutton

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Its why it's hard to get excited about a recruit like Ty Pence. "He's ranked higher on Osiris was!" Ok...great...he'll be gone by the time he's a junior. Hooray.

I'll eat my hat if all 3 of our incoming recruits stay at ISU 4 years.

While I understand the frustration based on the environment in college athletics and our own recent experiences, it is impossible and unfair to make a projection like this about Ty.

This will always be a reality in college athletics however each kid is different and the fact that Ty has such close family ties to Illinois State, including his sister who just graduated (and played softball) and his dad is an Illinois State graduate. This doesn't guarantee that he'll stay at ISU but there are certain intangibles and attributes that I'm sure anyone would look that would increase the likelihood that a recruit will stay. Family values, character, and proximity to Illinois State I'm sure all play a role as well.

That being said, if I had the opportunity to choose all over again, having grown up a as diehard Illinois State fan just 20 minutes from campus, being named after Doug Collins and every member of my family having graduated from Illinois State prior to me arriving, I could easily see myself making a choice to move to a different climate and part of the country instead of going to Illinois State. It's a big world out there and there is a lot to experience. I have no more attachment or judgment to what kids choose to do, as long as they are following whatever makes them happy.
 

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Isn’t everyone on the team at least a jr?
Just because you’re a jr or even a senior doesn’t mean you’re a polished baller. That all come from pt and not only that. The competition played against mean something too. For instance Mal haven’t ran +30 minutes since high school. I tell him all the time your legs will get back just from playing more. After the game the other night I’m thinking it’s still gonna take at least two more. Don’t be surprised if they win tonight either.
 

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I know where you're headed, but the bigger point is even if they're juniors, they still have to learn how to close out games together as a team. Sounds easy on the surface, isn't always easy when the rubber hits the road.
All Ik is time in school doesn’t make you experienced playing time does. Even with that said you still have to grow through a plethora of situations to gain that experience.
 

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All Ik is time in school doesn’t make you experienced playing time does. Even with that said you still have to grow through a plethora of situations to gain that experience.
That's exactly what I was talking about. It's just like anything else in life. You don't know how a group is going to react to a given situation until they've experienced it. The biggest thing is to learn and not do the same things the next time they encounter those situations as a collective.
 

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That's exactly what I was talking about. It's just like anything else in life. You don't know how a group is going to react to a given situation until they've experienced it. The biggest thing is to learn and not do the same things the next time they encounter those situations as a collective.
I totally agree. There will be some kids who will emerge as leaders as the games pile up. Overall this team will shoot it too good to not be in most games giving theirselves a chance to win. All fans have patients until a loss that’s all it takes for every fan base. Pedon is definitely building something here.
 

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Lots of reasons you will see some inconsistencies at the beginning of this season. I don't have a crystal ball but I am expecting this team to play much better in January than November.
 

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Its why it's hard to get excited about a recruit like Ty Pence. "He's ranked higher on Osiris was!" Ok...great...he'll be gone by the time he's a junior. Hooray.

I'll eat my hat if all 3 of our incoming recruits stay at ISU 4 years.
You're assuming Ty is 100% coming here. The buzzards are out looking for better fresh meat. Verbal commits mean very little today. Nothing against Ty. Great athlete, really good kid, family is full of athletic chops. I really hope he shows up.
 

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You're assuming Ty is 100% coming here. The buzzards are out looking for better fresh meat. Verbal commits mean very little today. Nothing against Ty. Great athlete, really good kid, family is full of athletic chops. I really hope he shows up.

For clarification, all 3 of our recruits are no longer verbal commitments, all have signed their LOI. Of course that too can always change but as I mentioned with the reasons above, I am not concerned about Ty.


Now, if Chase Walker loses a bunch of weight and dominates this upcoming season and Ohio State offers him a scholarship, or if Johnny Kinzinger has a breakout season causing Wisconsin to offer him, I wouldn't be as surprised if they didn't end up at ISU.

But I do believe coach Pedon is identifying certain intangible qualities in kids, at least what I have observed with this class that would suggest these kids see a real opportunity to come here and create something special, with significant leadership roles that they wouldn't be able to at other schools.

That's at least my hallucination that I'm sensing.
 

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That's at least my hallucination that I'm sensing.
I like that hallucination. Was that shrooms or toads?

Thank you for correcting me. I forgot it's Nov. Still not 100% convinced. Not from Tyler's standpoint or intentions RIGHT NOW, necessarily. Just the domino effect of one school losing a player which could eventually lead to a player like Tyler getting gobbled...with an opportunity to make 40 or 50K a year vs almost nothing at ISU. (MAN this sounds disgusting to say) The domino effect is now a different kind of monster. Not trying to be negative just a bit realistic.
 
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The next game in the Holiday tournament we played Cincinnati (I think) and they ran a similar back door play to beat us. Now there's irony. You are correct we started plummeting quickly after that
‘09 also plummeted a bit thanks to ice rink under Carver floor causing Champ to slip and wrench his back. Sometimes that’s just how the sneaker slips.

But the ‘CU doesn’t have the excuse of an ice rink underneath…
 

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‘09 also plummeted a bit thanks to ice rink under Carver floor causing Champ to slip and wrench his back. Sometimes that’s just how the sneaker slips.

But the ‘CU doesn’t have the excuse of an ice rink underneath…
Yep, the game after that awesome victory against Creighton to start the season 14 - 0 ... I thought we would be dancing after that Creighton game.

OT game against UNI in MVC championship game still stings
 

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I like that hallucination. Was that shrooms or toads?

Thank you for correcting me. I forgot it's Nov. Still not 100% convinced. Not from Tyler's standpoint or intentions RIGHT NOW, necessarily. Just the domino effect of one school losing a player which could eventually lead to a player like Tyler getting gobbled...with an opportunity to make 40 or 50K a year vs almost nothing at ISU. (MAN this sounds disgusting to say) The domino effect is now a different kind of monster. Not trying to be negative just a bit realistic.

I haven't communed with the toad yet although I understand the visions are profound. Definitely understand the concern about not ever really being able to count on what the future will hold. One thing that these good hallucinations can do is to invite you into a state of surrender and acceptance of what is, instead of being concerned about the things we cannot control. 🧘‍♂️
 

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I haven't communed with the toad yet although I understand the visions are profound. Definitely understand the concern about not ever really being able to count on what the future will hold. One thing that these good hallucinations can do is to invite you into a state of surrender and acceptance of what is, instead of being concerned about the things we cannot control. 🧘‍♂️
BAM!👊
 

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Its why it's hard to get excited about a recruit like Ty Pence. "He's ranked higher on Osiris was!" Ok...great...he'll be gone by the time he's a junior. Hooray.

I'll eat my hat if all 3 of our incoming recruits stay at ISU 4 years.
Hopefully they have us dancing by their Junior year.
 

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I haven't communed with the toad yet although I understand the visions are profound. Definitely understand the concern about not ever really being able to count on what the future will hold. One thing that these good hallucinations can do is to invite you into a state of surrender and acceptance of what is, instead of being concerned about the things we cannot control. 🧘‍♂️
Don't Do Toad
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