Fire Muller...now!

[Trey_Guidry4three]

So at State Farm or COUNTRY or Rivian or whatever, gets a new CEO. And every one knows there is a VP that hasn't been able to cut it, and that CEO doesn't fire the VP within 3 months then the CEO is trash and should be let go? It doesn't work that way man. In private sector or at a university. Heck, it would be easier in the private sector than at a public school.

If this so called VP is God awful for 90% of their tenure I'd expect a pink slip. It does work this way. Any time their is high level changes and someone directly below them sucks they either get passed around the organization/demoted or shown the pink slip.

 

[gobirds85]

Three Thursday nights.
Two NITs.
Zero MVC tourney Championships.
Zero ncaa bids.
Nine years.

It’s time.

 

[JHBird]

The buyout on his contract is his full contract. If he is fired this year its 1.5, next year it is 1 million. It was a sweet heart deal from Lyons that has hamstrung ISU.

Thanks DW. I'm betting he gets let go end of next year. Most likely we'll be losing on Thursday night again. It might depend on the crowd sizes.

 

[DWRedbird]

Thanks DW. I'm betting he gets let go end of next year. Most likely we'll be losing on Thursday night again. It might depend on the crowd sizes.

I don't think crowd sizes will factor into it. Based on how Muller's teams have done over the last several years, and how we are trending, I'm guessing money is the only issue standing in the way of change right now.

 

[Birdfriend72]

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The buyout on his contract is his full contract. If he is fired this year its 1.5, next year it is 1 million. It was a sweet heart deal from Lyons that has hamstrung ISU.

I don't think crowd sizes will factor into it. Based on how Muller's teams have done over the last several years, and how we are trending, I'm guessing money is the only issue standing in the way of change right now.

This is a dumb question. Does Muller really care about his Alma Mater? Does he think he is truly the right person for the job? If not- an amicable buyout would be fair!

 

[TIMMY]

Yes and yes.

 

[gobirds85]

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This is a dumb question. Does Muller really care about his Alma Mater? Does he think he is truly the right person for the job? If not- an amicable buyout would be fair!

First...no. Second...yes. Dan's best move was his slam dunk over larry lyons when he signed the contract extension. He must have been doing everything he could to not break out laughing at this meeting. Lyons screwed this institution royally. So far this year, NIU and EIU have fired their HCs. Apparently these two schools had more intelligent ADs than we had with LL. AD Brennan seems like an intelligent guy, prior to taking the job here he must have did some research and realize what he's getting into. Since no of us here really know what's actually going on behind the scenes let's see what plays out. Dan needs to be jettisoned. There should have been a cardboard box at his door this am. Some of us say we can't afford to fire him. I don't know that. I do know one thing...we can't afford to retain him.

 

[cpacmel]

. So far this year, NIU and EIU have fired their HCs. Apparently these two schools had more intelligent ADs than we had with LL. AD Brennan seems like an intelligent guy, prior to taking the job here he must have did some research and realize what he's getting into.

Not to nitpick, but EIU's coach wasn't fired. He wasn't renewed. So as far as I can tell they don't owe him anymore money. Their AD was a finalist for ISU's opening. Wonder if he will go after Roger Powell before others....

 

[ISU86]

12-13 Season Brown started the first 4 games of the losing streak, didn't start the 5th game and came off the bench in the 6th. Back in the starting lineup they then won 7 of the next 8. They lost in the MVC to the Wichita team who lost in the Final 4 to Louisville. It's more like benching Brown may have saved the season. I don't know how you came off of ignore but back on you go.

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There you go, countering jammin with actual facts ... you must be a kool-aid drinker!

 

[gobirds85]

Not to nitpick, but EIU's coach wasn't fired. He wasn't renewed. So as far as I can tell they don't owe him anymore money. Their AD was a finalist for ISU's opening. Wonder if he will go after Roger Powell before others....

Got it. Not renewing his contract is just a nice way of saying, "you're fired."

 

[CaliRdBrd]

The buyout on his contract is his full contract. If he is fired this year its 1.5, next year it is 1 million. It was a sweet heart deal from Lyons that has hamstrung ISU.

You could look at it this way
Since he’s set to make another $600,00 next year, firing him this year is actually more like a $900,000 payout.

 

[Birdman85]

There has to be some thought into not if you can afford to buy him out but can you afford to keep him. Attendance was dwindling before a pandemic. All of those people that were on the fence about renewing season tickets have probably made up there mind now that we have had a year with no attendance. The athletic department has to find a way to generate excitement for when fans will be able to attend. Bringing Muller back simply does not do that. A fresh start is the only way to do that. People can handle playing on Thursday with a first year coach who hopefully is building a promising future compared to a guy who will be in year 10 playing on Thursday.

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

There you go, countering jammin with actual facts ... you must be a kool-aid drinker!

The fact is that team had:
seniors: Carmichael, Brown, Wilkins, Cousin
Juniors: B Allen, Ekey, Upshaw,
Soph: Hill, John jones , threloff
Fr: ziesloft,keane,

Certainly it’s not a perfect roster, but pretty damn good in the MVC. Would beat the current squad by 25. However Dan was only able to manage 18-15 overall and 8-10 in conference. He completely butchered that season.

 

[DWRedbird]

This is a dumb question. Does Muller really care about his Alma Mater? Does he think he is truly the right person for the job? If not- an amicable buyout would be fair!

Based on what I know of Muller I'm guessing he does think he can turn it around, so unless he has another gig lined up, my guess is he isn't negotiating a buyout.

You could look at it this way
Since he’s set to make another $600,00 next year, firing him this year is actually more like a $900,000 payout.

Hahaha. This sounds awfully like those commercials that tell you, you can buy a TV for $1200 which is marked down from $1500 for savings of $300...

 

[ISU86]

The fact is that team had:
seniors: Carmichael, Brown, Wilkins, Cousin
Juniors: B Allen, Ekey, Upshaw,
Soph: Hill, John jones , threloff
Fr: ziesloft,keane,

Certainly it’s not a perfect roster, but pretty damn good in the MVC. Would beat the current squad by 25. However Dan was only able to manage 18-15 overall and 8-10 in conference. He completely butchered that season.

Your initial point was solely based on suspension of Brown (which Timmy countered), now you are widening the discussion to include the entire roster. Moving target.

 

[ISU86]

I was mad when Jank left. I’ll be happy when Dan goes.

Interesting comparison ~ thru five seasons -

Jankovich vs Muller
Record, Overall: 104-64 vs 104-65
Record, Conference: 48-42 vs 57-33
Title, Conference (Regular): 0 vs 1
Title, Conference (Tournament): 0 vs 0
NIT: 4 (2-4) vs 2 (2-2)
CBI: 0 vs 1 (2-1)

At that point, they were running pretty much parallel (and, if Dan scheduled his non-conference like Tim did, I feel pretty confident he would have had five to ten more Ws overall).

If Dan had left after five seasons like Tim did, there would be a different feeling overall (seeing as it was coming off a co-regular season championship). It would have felt a lot like Tim circa 2012 (on the cusp of getting over the top).

Now, he didn't leave, and there is a different feeling. 52-70, 28-44 in conference the last four seasons.

 

[ricohill]

Your initial point was solely based on suspension of Brown (which Timmy countered), now you are widening the discussion to include the entire roster. Moving target.

The funniest part of this argument was someone said suspending Brown saved the season. They finished 6th, lost 5 of their last 7 games, and then got smoked by Wichita in the semis.

 

[jamminjamarsmiley]

Your initial point was solely based on suspension of Brown (which Timmy countered), now you are widening the discussion to include the entire roster. Moving target.

No the initial post if you go back and read it was that mullers ego ruined the season. I stated he suspended brown (true) AND got off to an 0-6 start in mvc play (true). This reply continues to show how Dan failed that season. I mean, sort of hard to argue with Timmy who has shown his opinions hold very little weight around here based on his bias and inability to be critical of Dan. I assume Timmy has the Kleenex out today after his dreams of Dan winning 4 in a row we’re dashed last night.

86, I know you’re struggling today. You were just begging Dan to win last night so you could come out here and puff out your chest for a big win over a 7 seed. Sorry didn’t happen. Accept the fact that Dan is a failure

 

[CaliRdBrd]

Interesting comparison ~ thru five seasons -

Jankovich vs Muller
Record, Overall: 104-64 vs 104-65
Record, Conference: 48-42 vs 57-33
Title, Conference (Regular): 0 vs 1
Title, Conference (Tournament): 0 vs 0
NIT: 4 (2-4) vs 2 (2-2)
CBI: 0 vs 1 (2-1)

At that point, they were running pretty much parallel (and, if Dan scheduled his non-conference like Tim did, I feel pretty confident he would have had five to ten more Ws overall).

If Dan had left after five seasons like Tim did, there would be a different feeling overall (seeing as it was coming off a co-regular season championship). It would have felt a lot like Tim circa 2012 (on the cusp of getting over the top).

Now, he didn't leave, and there is a different feeling. 52-70, 28-44 in conference the last four seasons.

Eye opening.
While I hated Jank’s scheduling - aside from that one great year where we played San Diego State, St Joe’s (when they were good), Maryland and Kentucky - I really don’t see Muller scheduling as that much better.

 

[RedbirdSoxFan]

The fact is that team had:
seniors: Carmichael, Brown, Wilkins, Cousin
Juniors: B Allen, Ekey, Upshaw,
Soph: Hill, John jones , threloff
Fr: ziesloft,keane,

Certainly it’s not a perfect roster, but pretty damn good in the MVC. Would beat the current squad by 25. However Dan was only able to manage 18-15 overall and 8-10 in conference. He completely butchered that season.

Aside from Jackie & Tyler, this was not a good lineup. Name one player off that team that was any good in the 2013-14 season. Basically Jank left Dan nothing but two pretty good Seniors and a bag of trash!
I would take DJ, Antonio, Howard, Emon, Dusan, Josiah over any of what Jank left Dan for the 2013-14 season!